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Ok so I think people are missing the obvious about "Mass Effect 4"


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essarr71 wrote...

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Cortana has everything to do with the point. People swear up and down that Halo = Chief AND Cortana, well now Cortana is gone and Halo is still around. Like-wise, Halo Reach was not about Chief at all, and Reach was a fantastic Halo game. Halo Wars was also a good Halo game that had nothing to do with Chief, the only reason that didnt sell was because ppl are anal about RTS games on Consoles. There are also MANY Halo books where Chief is barely even mentioned let alone appear, and they sell and make money. Much like the Mass Effect books pre Deception which pretty much killed the books I assume.


And yet Chief is still around and still the face of the franchise.  Once again, you seem to just ignore the fact that the face of the franchise is still around.  Despite having success without them, despite there being tons of stories to tell without them, Microsoft knows Chief sells. 

And I'm not talking about other media.  We're not talking about books or movies or fanfics.  If you need those to push your point...  Nor did I say that it was "required" to have Shep to have ME.  I said EA knows Shep sells.  That WILL effect how they handle the series.

Just like how Star Wars has thousands of stories that does not involve the name Skywalker, or Star Trek has dozens of episodes that does not involve the names Kirk or Spock. The fact of the matter is anyone who thinks the entire ME universe revolves around Shepard is quite frankly delusional. ME can easily survive without Shepard as long as there are enough open minded people willing to realize Shepard does not = the MEU. 


And yet every Star Wars movie has involved a Skywalker.  And every Star Trek movie has involved the Enterprise.  Sure, you can make a point about DS9 and Voyager being different - but these, while perfectly interesting and well written, were nowhere near as successful.  In fact, DS9 couldn't go a few seasons without prying an Enterprise crewmember to cameo or change the direction of the series.  "See everyone!  It's still Star Trek!"

That's the point I'm making.  Stop trying to defend your point and read.  I'm not saying ME doesn't have the material to move away from Shepard.  I never had.  I'm saying Shepard sells.  Fans love Shep.  Bioware - and especially EA - know this.  That fact effects buisiness decisions.  But you want to argue that Jack Harper was the main protagonist in a comic book and think you've shut me up..  The series revolves around Shepard.  It does.  And, especially if they don't change the endings, any continuation will always refer to Shepard. 


100% this

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If Mass Effect 4 is set in a different galaxy how is then Mass Effect?

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johnj1979 wrote...

If Mass Effect 4 is set in a different galaxy how is then Mass Effect?


Good question

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All valid concerns about the different galaxy not being Mass Effect anymore. I just always found it curious when you could see other galaxies on the sides/background of the galaxy map. Whats going on there?

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Snake91 wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

If Mass Effect 4 is set in a different galaxy how is then Mass Effect?


Good question

Thanks

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PinkToolTheater wrote...

All valid concerns about the different galaxy not being Mass Effect anymore. I just always found it curious when you could see other galaxies on the sides/background of the galaxy map. Whats going on there?


Well the Milky Way is surrounded by a number of smaller Galaxies IRL...I would assume that they're just the background and don't mean anything significant.

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@ k.lalh Well said and exactly how i feel on the subject, Hideo kojima didn't even want to make MGS4, yet he did because of the fans and his team persuading him and it sells, Mario after 20 years sells because people/gamers get attached to certain characters and bioware should have taken that as a compliment, If they made a dragon age based on the warden from
Origins i guarantee that would sell by the bucketload. I would have bought every single game of ME if shepard was in it. Any buisness model surely would say " if it aint broke " ...Halo has spin offs but still keeps the chief core to it's buisness as he will always sell.

Modifié par clarkusdarkus, 27 janvier 2013 - 10:37 .


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Would love to be Turian and wheather it is a prequel or sequel doesn't matter.

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something from the Mass Effect universe would have to be in another galaxy for it to work

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clarkusdarkus wrote...

@ k.lalh Well said and exactly how i feel on the subject, Hideo kokima didn't even want to make MGS4, yet he did because of the fans and his team persuading him and it sells, Mario after 20 years sells because people/gamers get attached to certain characters and bioware should have taken that as a compliment, If they made a dragon age based on the warden from
Origins i guarantee that would sell by the bucketload. I would have bought every single game of ME if shepard was in it. Any buisness model surely would say " if it aint broke " ...Halo has spin offs but still keeps the chief core to it's buisness as he will always sell.



Hideo Kojima

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What do you think? Would you be at all interested if the next games are in an alternate reality without Reapers? 


No.

If the game is set in an alternate universe and isn't part of Shepard's timeline, I won't be purchasing the game. If they aren't going to continue the series in the same universe they might as well just end it at Mass Effect 3 and create a new IP.

I'm not sure I'd be interested in a game that is set in another galaxy either, with entirely new factions and species. Again I'd be of the opinion that they'd be better off just creating a new IP than creating a story and characters that are not even remotely connected to the Shepard trilogy, and then slapping the name 'Mass Effect' on it.

Why bother if there is no continuity?

Honestly I think an alternatute universe or different galaxy route would be an even worse decision than rolling out a prequel.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 27 janvier 2013 - 10:29 .


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Snake91 wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

@ k.lalh Well said and exactly how i feel on the subject, Hideo kojima didn't even want to make MGS4, yet he did because of the fans and his team persuading him and it sells, Mario after 20 years sells because people/gamers get attached to certain characters and bioware should have taken that as a compliment, If they made a dragon age based on the warden from
Origins i guarantee that would sell by the bucketload. I would have bought every single game of ME if shepard was in it. Any buisness model surely would say " if it aint broke " ...Halo has spin offs but still keeps the chief core to it's buisness as he will always sell.



Hideo Kojima



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The truth of the matter is Bioware is/was, I'm not sure which anymore, good at creating characters and stories that we care about, they do not need the Mass Effect name to make a good game. After everything that happened last year why would they want the Mass Effect name attached to a story that sounds like it could just as easily be set in a new IP, they are just asking for people to judge the games based on how they feel about ME3 before they even know anything about the game.



And i wondering that Mass Effect was for Shepard and without Shepard how can be Mass Effect

We've known for awhile the ME3 would be then end of Shepard's story and I was fine with that, but not the way they ended it.  The reason I'm a fan of Bioware is that they have a way of creating these fictional characters that seem so real, I think it has to do with them being flawed like the characters that Stan Lee creates, and then after 5 years we make a choice and it just ends.  I'm okay with Mass Effect continuing without Shepard once ME3 has a proper ending, because what we have now is not an ending the story just stops.  Yes it's better with EC but it's still not the ending a story as epic as what Bioware created deserves, I feel sorry for the people that created this universe more then anything else because what we got does a huge diservice to the creativity it took to creat this universe and characters we all care about so much.

And holy **** I didn't realize how bitter I still feel about this until I typed that.

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Not only would I not buy it, but this is something that would cause me to re-evaluate buying ME4 unless ME4 decanonized the alternate ending.


I don't want to be confrontational, but why? What is so wrong with Bioware doing an alternate version of this story? At no point did I say the story should be remade, or that it should force out what came before. Why must anything that isn't the Starchild be reacted to with hatred?


Should have been clearer. I was assuming that ME4 would be set  in the future of the ME universe, in which case Bio needs to make up their minds about what happened in that universe.

If ME4 is a prequel I don't have to re-evaluate buying it, since I'm not going to buy a prequel in the first place.

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essarr71 wrote...
The series revolves around Shepard.  It does.  And, especially if they don't change the endings, any continuation will always refer to Shepard.  


As long as he's retired if he isn't dead, they can refer to Shepard plenty.

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AlanC9 wrote...

essarr71 wrote...
The series revolves around Shepard.  It does.  And, especially if they don't change the endings, any continuation will always refer to Shepard.  


As long as he's retired if he isn't dead, they can refer to Shepard plenty.


Forget retirement. Any ME3 ending you continue with is essentially Shep's universe.  

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kylecouch wrote...

As Mr Priestly has stated, he disagrees with people thinking it can only be a prequal or a sequal. Now sure many of you might think he is full of crap, I myself am guilty of this on occasion, however I think this time hes trying to actually tell us the game plan without getting into trouble. Basiclly I think "ME4" will boil down to this, alternate reality Mass Effect where there never were any Reapers to begin with. This lets them avoid having to pick a canon ending and thus pissing people off, and also avoids a boring Prequal that while -possibly- interesting would ultimately probably not be too successful.

What do you think? Would you be at all interested if the next games are in an alternate reality without Reapers? 


You can have it both, actually and that's something that irritates me when it comes to BSN posters and ME4. First of all - people keep forgetting that Stargazer, the narrator from the distant future, was the one who actually told the story about Shepard - and he clearly stated that the many detailes were lost in time - meaning - no version is canon and there is no certainty in the plot. The second thing that is still loose end and unresolved plot is - dark energy expanding the universe and destroying stars at faster rate than it should... basically, you don't need a prequel or a sequel in that regard - reapers or not - it is happening. No matter who wins, no matter which ending was chosen, it is happening and the faster rate, the unnatural one, is still unresolved - still unchecked.

So, there's much background for ME4 already without going into silly 'Fringe' forced M-theory story. You already have quantum mechanic in ME (even EDI talks about it in ME3), without going into parallel universes - too many unresolved things in this one - Stargazer's one.

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Snake91 wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

If Mass Effect 4 is set in a different galaxy how is then Mass Effect?


Good question


Probably because the same mass effect sciences and physics will still exist (like biotics, eezo etc) but it will be in different worlds, different species and different threats. Much like our own world where all the stories in our history have no impact at all on the many other galaxies out there.

They could make it work IMO if they still have the great story telling abilities they used to have back in the days of DA1 & ME1.

Ive always wondered about how the reapers only dominated the milky way galaxy and what it was like in the other galaxies seen as there is so many out there. I reckon it will be good.

All the shepard lovers out there remember, that shepard was a new character at one point that you didnt care about. You loved him/her because of a good story, it CAN happen again lol

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Evo_9 wrote...

Snake91 wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

If Mass Effect 4 is set in a different galaxy how is then Mass Effect?


Good question


Probably because the same mass effect sciences and physics will still exist (like biotics, eezo etc) but it will be in different worlds, different species and different threats. Much like our own world where all the stories in our history have no impact at all on the many other galaxies out there.

They could make it work IMO if they still have the great story telling abilities they used to have back in the days of DA1 & ME1.

Ive always wondered about how the reapers only dominated the milky way galaxy and what it was like in the other galaxies seen as there is so many out there. I reckon it will be good.

All the shepard lovers out there remember, that shepard was a new character at one point that you didnt care about. You loved him/her because of a good story, it CAN happen again lol


I constantly hear people saying they want a ME game that takes place in a new galaxy with new species and a new universe etc.

As much as I hate the idea of a prequel, this is literally one of the *worst* possible directions that they can take the franchise, even worse than a prequel.

The reasons are:

1) Like it or not, the existing species / galactic society / lore / universe is a huge chunk of what makes up Mass Effect. Things like Eezo, biotics etc. obviously play a major role, but it would no longer be ME without humans / turians / asari etc.

2) It would tank in sales, period. When people, myself included, buy a new ME game, it's because I want more stories in an existing universe. I want more stories with turians, asari, humans, krogans etc. in it. Hell, I want more with Shepard but it's reasonable for his story to be done. To scrap the existing MEU entirely would be a huge mistake, both financially and in terms of franchise cohesion. 

To completely scrap the MEU after ME3 is tantamount, as another poster has said, to saying that ME3 isn't worth expanding off of. 

I, for one, would not buy such a game. And I'm sure I'm not alone on this as well. If I want a new universe with new characters and new species, I'll buy a game from a different franchise. 

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PainCakesx wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

Snake91 wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

If Mass Effect 4 is set in a different galaxy how is then Mass Effect?


Good question


Probably because the same mass effect sciences and physics will still exist (like biotics, eezo etc) but it will be in different worlds, different species and different threats. Much like our own world where all the stories in our history have no impact at all on the many other galaxies out there.

They could make it work IMO if they still have the great story telling abilities they used to have back in the days of DA1 & ME1.

Ive always wondered about how the reapers only dominated the milky way galaxy and what it was like in the other galaxies seen as there is so many out there. I reckon it will be good.

All the shepard lovers out there remember, that shepard was a new character at one point that you didnt care about. You loved him/her because of a good story, it CAN happen again lol


I constantly hear people saying they want a ME game that takes place in a new galaxy with new species and a new universe etc.

As much as I hate the idea of a prequel, this is literally one of the *worst* possible directions that they can take the franchise, even worse than a prequel.

The reasons are:

1) Like it or not, the existing species / galactic society / lore / universe is a huge chunk of what makes up Mass Effect. Things like Eezo, biotics etc. obviously play a major role, but it would no longer be ME without humans / turians / asari etc.

2) It would tank in sales, period. When people, myself included, buy a new ME game, it's because I want more stories in an existing universe. I want more stories with turians, asari, humans, krogans etc. in it. Hell, I want more with Shepard but it's reasonable for his story to be done. To scrap the existing MEU entirely would be a huge mistake, both financially and in terms of franchise cohesion. 

To completely scrap the MEU after ME3 is tantamount, as another poster has said, to saying that ME3 isn't worth expanding off of. 

I, for one, would not buy such a game. And I'm sure I'm not alone on this as well. 


Out of curiosity, did you buy ME1? 

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Yes. What does this have to do with anything?

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I don't know, as long as they won't make a mmo, i will be open to any scenario

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Yes. What does this have to do with anything?


Well you obviously didnt know anything about the species, lore, universe etc before you played ME1, yet you still bought a copy.

Im guessing you loved them because of the great story.

So why couldnt it happen again with a new galaxy? and why would it hamper sales.  

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On second thought... I might agree with Evo, it's all about the story. Shepard story is over for me, there's nothing left to say, it would be a repetition, that chapter is closed. They need to do something fresh, i'm not saying that it should be something set in a new universe at any cost, but something we never "experienced".

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Evo_9 wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

Yes. What does this have to do with anything?


Well you obviously didnt know anything about the species, lore, universe etc before you played ME1, yet you still bought a copy.

Im guessing you loved them because of the great story.

So why couldnt it happen again with a new galaxy? and why would it hamper sales.  



So by this rational if they made a Jaws sequel about a bear itd be totally fine?