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[PainCakesx]

There's a reason why ME3's sales were way higher than ME1's. The pre-existing universe that people wanted to revisit.

You can't just wipe the slate clean, slap on the ME title, and expect people to flock to it in droves. It doesn't work that way. Mass Effect is about the whole package - to strip that is a very tough sell.

When you deviate excessively from the already existing formula, as has been shown historically, sales plummet and old fans leave the franchise. People develop attachments to the characters and the universe - take it all away and there's no more reason for me to buy another ME game than there is for me to buy a game from another franchise. 

It would be like making a James Bond movie that takes place in the 1700's, where the main character is a farmer. It just wouldn't work.

Modifié par PainCakesx, 28 janvier 2013 - 01:40 .

[PainCakesx]

skiadopsendow wrote...

On second thought... I might agree with Evo, it's all about the story. Shepard story is over for me, there's nothing left to say, it would be a repetition, that chapter is closed. They need to do something fresh, i'm not saying that it should be something set in a new universe at any cost, but something we never "experienced".

I'm all for a new story, but it has to be set within the existing MEU universe. Otherwise, it ceases to be ME.

[Evo_9]

PainCakesx wrote...

There's a reason why ME3's sales were way higher than ME1's. The pre-existing universe that people wanted to revisit.

You can't just wipe the slate clean, slap on the ME title, and expect people to flock to it in droves. It doesn't work that way. Mass Effect is about the whole package - to strip that is a very tough sell.

When you deviate excessively from the already existing formula, as has been shown historically, sales plummet and old fans leave the franchise. People develop attachments to the characters and the universe - take it all away and there's no more reason for me to buy another ME game than there is for me to buy a game from another franchise.

Thats true, but im banking on the fact that bioware still has awesome story telling abilities that will make the new series on par with ME1-ME3. The fact that it will be sci-fi is enough for me, as there arent many sci fi rpgs out there to be honest.

With enough good reviews, the sceptics will come flooding back IMO to give it a shot.

Big ask, becuase bioware isnt the same company it used to be, but you never know....

Modifié par Evo_9, 28 janvier 2013 - 01:44 .

[skiadopsendow]

PainCakesx wrote...

skiadopsendow wrote...

On second thought... I might agree with Evo, it's all about the story. Shepard story is over for me, there's nothing left to say, it would be a repetition, that chapter is closed. They need to do something fresh, i'm not saying that it should be something set in a new universe at any cost, but something we never "experienced".

I'm all for a new story, but it has to be set within the existing MEU universe. Otherwise, it ceases to be ME.

I think there will be a new story, with some link here and then on shepard's trilogy, as long as they will do something different and fresh, it will be ok for me

[PainCakesx]

Evo_9 wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

There's a reason why ME3's sales were way higher than ME1's. The pre-existing universe that people wanted to revisit.

You can't just wipe the slate clean, slap on the ME title, and expect people to flock to it in droves. It doesn't work that way. Mass Effect is about the whole package - to strip that is a very tough sell.

When you deviate excessively from the already existing formula, as has been shown historically, sales plummet and old fans leave the franchise. People develop attachments to the characters and the universe - take it all away and there's no more reason for me to buy another ME game than there is for me to buy a game from another franchise.

Thats true, but im banking on the fact that bioware still has awesome story telling abilities that will make the new series on par with ME1-ME3. The fact that it will be sci-fi is enough for me, as there arent many sci fi rpgs out there to be honest.

With enough good reviews, the sceptics will come flooding back IMO to give it a shot.

Big ask, becuase bioware isnt the same company it used to be, but you never know....

If that is the route they want to go, then they should just make a new IP. If they want to make another ME, and there isn't any reason not to given the how profitable the franchise is as well as the richness of the MEU, then they need to keep it within the realm of what already exists within the MEU. Add new things, improve it, evolve it, but keep it fundamentally the same. 

BioWare is already on very thin ice after the ending debacle - a big bold move like this which is sure to further fan the flames of skepticism, is really not a good idea for them. There is no need for a new universe, there are plenty of stories to tell within the existing one. 

Many people have already written off ME4. There are still many of us who are wholly displeased with the ending of ME3 and are very skeptical but have not yet been totally put off of buying a new Mass Effect game. This would likely be the final straw for many. 

Modifié par PainCakesx, 28 janvier 2013 - 01:54 .

[eye basher]

As long as shepard is not in it i could care less what it's about i'm tired of shepard i want something new.

[Evo_9]

PainCakesx wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

There's a reason why ME3's sales were way higher than ME1's. The pre-existing universe that people wanted to revisit.

You can't just wipe the slate clean, slap on the ME title, and expect people to flock to it in droves. It doesn't work that way. Mass Effect is about the whole package - to strip that is a very tough sell.

When you deviate excessively from the already existing formula, as has been shown historically, sales plummet and old fans leave the franchise. People develop attachments to the characters and the universe - take it all away and there's no more reason for me to buy another ME game than there is for me to buy a game from another franchise.

Thats true, but im banking on the fact that bioware still has awesome story telling abilities that will make the new series on par with ME1-ME3. The fact that it will be sci-fi is enough for me, as there arent many sci fi rpgs out there to be honest.

With enough good reviews, the sceptics will come flooding back IMO to give it a shot.

Big ask, becuase bioware isnt the same company it used to be, but you never know....

If that is the route they want to go, then they should just make a new IP. If they want to make another ME, and there isn't any reason not to given the how profitable the franchise is as well as the richness of the MEU, then they need to keep it within the realm of what already exists within the MEU. Add new things, improve it, evolve it, but keep it fundamentally the same. 

BioWare is already on very thin ice after the ending debacle - a big bold move like this which is sure to further fan the flames of skepticism, is really not a good idea for them. There is no need for a new universe, there are plenty of stories to tell within the existing one. 

Many people have already written off ME4. There are still many of us who are wholly displeased with the ending of ME3 and are very skeptical but have not yet been totally put off of buying a new Mass Effect game. This would likely be the final straw for many. 

If they kept it in the same MEU they would have to deal with the endings.

I have to admit it would of been nice to see a world post reaper war, but since they decided they wont canonise the ending i think its pretty safe to say that the mass effect story in the milky way is over.

There is no way they could contine the story in the milky way with the endings we got, thats the downside of letting the user decide the conclusion.

Having said that although me1 - me3 is my favourite series of all time, im very over the reapers and shepard. Any more on this and i think it will do more harm than good.

Modifié par Evo_9, 28 janvier 2013 - 03:34 .

[BeastSaver]

I'd like to see ME4 set in the far future (with or without humans). In ME-ME3, only about 1% of the galaxy had been explored. There is great potential for an aggressive species to activate their relay and become a galaxy-wide threat. Or a rebellion against the Leviathans because they arrogantly expect all other species to be their thralls.

Modifié par BeastSaver, 28 janvier 2013 - 04:54 .

[PainCakesx]

Evo_9 wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

There's a reason why ME3's sales were way higher than ME1's. The pre-existing universe that people wanted to revisit.

You can't just wipe the slate clean, slap on the ME title, and expect people to flock to it in droves. It doesn't work that way. Mass Effect is about the whole package - to strip that is a very tough sell.

When you deviate excessively from the already existing formula, as has been shown historically, sales plummet and old fans leave the franchise. People develop attachments to the characters and the universe - take it all away and there's no more reason for me to buy another ME game than there is for me to buy a game from another franchise.

Thats true, but im banking on the fact that bioware still has awesome story telling abilities that will make the new series on par with ME1-ME3. The fact that it will be sci-fi is enough for me, as there arent many sci fi rpgs out there to be honest.

With enough good reviews, the sceptics will come flooding back IMO to give it a shot.

Big ask, becuase bioware isnt the same company it used to be, but you never know....

If that is the route they want to go, then they should just make a new IP. If they want to make another ME, and there isn't any reason not to given the how profitable the franchise is as well as the richness of the MEU, then they need to keep it within the realm of what already exists within the MEU. Add new things, improve it, evolve it, but keep it fundamentally the same. 

BioWare is already on very thin ice after the ending debacle - a big bold move like this which is sure to further fan the flames of skepticism, is really not a good idea for them. There is no need for a new universe, there are plenty of stories to tell within the existing one. 

Many people have already written off ME4. There are still many of us who are wholly displeased with the ending of ME3 and are very skeptical but have not yet been totally put off of buying a new Mass Effect game. This would likely be the final straw for many. 

If they kept it in the same MEU they would have to deal with the endings.

I have to admit it would of been nice to see a world post reaper war, but since they decided they wont canonise the ending i think its pretty safe to say that the mass effect story in the milky way is over.

There is no way they could contine the story in the milky way with the endings we got, thats the downside of letting the user decide the conclusion.

Having said that although me1 - me3 is my favourite series of all time, im very over the reapers and shepard. Any more on this and i think it will do more harm than good.

It's not at all impossible. Plenty of posters here have posted ways to make a post ME3 game work. All that needs to be carried over into a sequel is that the reapers are gone and the galaxy is saved. The rest are little details that can be dealt with via codex entries or dialogue. 

With clever enough writing, a lot of things can be made plausible via suspension of disbelief. 

[Luigitornado]

Or it can just be another trilogy that parallels the events of Shepard's trilogy.

[Nightdragon8]

kylecouch wrote...

As Mr Priestly has stated, he disagrees with people thinking it can only be a prequal or a sequal. Now sure many of you might think he is full of crap, I myself am guilty of this on occasion, however I think this time hes trying to actually tell us the game plan without getting into trouble. Basiclly I think "ME4" will boil down to this, alternate reality Mass Effect where there never were any Reapers to begin with. This lets them avoid having to pick a canon ending and thus pissing people off, and also avoids a boring Prequal that while -possibly- interesting would ultimately probably not be too successful.

What do you think? Would you be at all interested if the next games are in an alternate reality without Reapers? 

an alternete universe?? sure... and have antagonist like "Illusive man" and that general in Omega...  you know... while Omega was glitchy (which I think QA needs to be told off about) the idea of a general who is smart and not "powerful" vs the protaginist really has the hall marks of a good game..

Just think about it the choices like the suicide mission with action like ME3 where the outcomes could be different depending on how you make your coices and how "successful"  like say with Eden Prime. your orders where "Rescuing civilans is secondry" which then during the mission can be given choices to "sneak around forces attacking civs" or "Rescue Civs" but causing you to have a bigger fight later on. because they know that there is an orgainzed strike team in the area.

So a "Reboot" of the series would be fine for me.

Tho I would LOVE it if you can also make it a stealth game as well.  tho doing that with other AI would make it really hard. (however you could then be jusitfied to make the game co-op and have another player follow you.

(tho if you make them good enough or even stop following you and be "Backup if things go bad" then that woudl be good too.

[Rahmiel]

I don't think it'll be an alternate reality, but I think it'll take place in the 2 years that shepard has gone missing. It's technically not a prequel, or a sequel.

I like this option, as it keeps us in the universe we know so well. We can do some battles against collectors and against geth heretics, we can explore and help/aid the quarian fleet, etc.

It's nice, that's what I'm hoping for. It may even give us access to some of the characters in ME2 as squadmates. Perhaps we help out ashley/kaidan with their super secret mission that places them on horizon?

[78stonewobble]

kylecouch wrote...

I did not say they had to be erased from history, only removed from the equation at an earlier time. Like a Phyyric Prothean victory, their victory coming at such a cost that they could not recover and still die out, still leaveing their ruins and such behind for everyone else to find and continue down the same path. As for the Rachni, just make their invasion what we originally thought it was, agressive speices  trying to kill everyone.

Oh lol... Then we were talking past each other. I suggested the same thing in another post.

Well the Rachni wars could, potentially, be explained away with "leftover" Reaper influence. Their "indoctrination" started alot earlier it just took them that long to get off the planet or whatever.

[78stonewobble]

fainmaca wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...
So I get to pick whether it's a dream or not...

Sorry I still don't see the attraction.

But ... in principle I'm for the most choice to the most people so.

Well the attraction for me was the potential to play through ME3 again, this time with Bioware having learned from their mistakes the first time around and not doing things like neglecting previous squaddies, minimising choice and consequence and above all not pulling an ending out of the air at the end.

I don't believe in the theory that shall not be named for fear of summoning the Evil one, but frankly I think it a better alternative than what was given. The fact that Bioware have created a lore that could and would support them if they did an alternate version, and that I feel a large part of their fanbase would happily go for this if it could be demonstrated to be a good product, means Bioware stand in a truly rare position that other creative enterprises would kill for. Not many creators get a second chance.

I mean, surely any market analyst can see the potential for this. You have a portion of the fanbase craving an alternate way to end their Shepard's story (minority or majority, there's no denying its a significant portion. Large enough for any sane businessman to sit up and take note). In addition, you should get the ones okay with the ending, but eager for any more time in the ME universe, you'll get the more casual gamers who'll pick it up and play it once, those who played the old one and felt indifferent about it, but will go for something to pass the time, and a decent (but please, not overhyped) ad campaign will undoubtedly draw in new players. In fact the only ones who would not go for it are the most hardcore of the disenfranchised (definately don't think there are that many who would ignore Biowware trying again), and the most devoted of the pro-enders (again probably not that many).

I mean, 78, if Bioware said tomorrow that they were working on a new ME game, and it was an alternate version of the end to Shepard's story (with or without the ability to accept an import from the current ME3 as I said, but definately accepting imports from ME2), would you buy it? If they did this, and went the whole hog and made a new game to address lessons learned instead of using a DLC to patch over issues that many of us (if not all) had with the latest offering.

I'd go for it. I'd watch the dev cycle carefully, for sure, but at the moment I'd certainly want to buy it.

Well uhm tomorrow is no good for me. I'm broke for the rest of the month. *lol*

It totally depends on what it's bringing to the table really DLC or Game:

If it got rid of the catalyst I'd be all over it.

If it was just a happy ending. I'd probably buy it. It doesn't change my problems but after a playthrough I'd be smiling and thats worth something for me.

If it's a good new game set in the me universe (but a reboot of sorts)? I'm also buying it.

If it's a somewhat random DLC I might also buy it. Provided it's good and has, what I think is, good value.



Basically if they put out good stuff and I still think me3 is good stuff (with some detractions) I'd buy it.

But obviously people could argue that I'm a bit of a sucker for me related content and they'd probably be right.

[TurianRebel212]

For some reason I think Shep is gonna be the main character in ME4. In ME3 bioware really showed the contrast between Shep and Javik. Being Avatars of their cycles. Shep is widely regarded throughout the galaxy by friends and enemies to be the avatar of humanity. And for some reason humanity is the key for the Reapers to build their new reaper from. So shep makes a perfect candidate. I think shep will be preserved and then 50,000 years later he comes back to save the new cycle. Also I think refuse option will be considered the cannon ending. If it's a prequel or alternate dimension setting, I will not care at all.

[SwitchN7]

A Shooter staring James Vega.I will laugh.

[TurianRebel212]

SwitchN7 wrote...

A Shooter staring James Vega.I will laugh.

with an alternate dimensional tie in with the Gears of War franchise. Also all the mini games will be madden. No, no wait FIFA.

P.S. I could see EA doing this. OMG. 

Modifié par TurianRebel212, 28 janvier 2013 - 08:00 .

[k.lalh]

SwitchN7 wrote...

A Shooter staring James Vega.I will laugh.

I would cry.

[Fuzzfro]

Alternate universe/reboot...hmm I suppose that could possibly work, I dislike the idea but it could pave way for a whole new trilogy.

But what about the problems seen throughout the game? I don't want to have to cure the Korgans and make peace with the Quarian-Geth yet AGAIN.

If they can do it right and spawn a whole new trilogy then go ahead, as long as it doesn't make my accomplishments (curing the genophage for example) feel devalued and as long as it holds the magic of Mass Effect.

[SpamBot2000]

Hah, "The Reapers? We have dismissed those games!"

Along with the players who got 'too attached' to that story. Next big speculation: "Where my profit at??!!"

[ElectroNeonPanda]

kylecouch wrote...

Ok but if it isnt? would you still buy it? There are many ways to tell a story after all. You would rather take the risk of having your person ending to ME3 be made Not canon? I know I personally wouldn't want to risk it.

If they retain the same team that contributed to the travesty of an ending for ME3 then no.  My refusal to purchase any SP DLC extends to future product releases.

[TheProtheans]

I usually give up when this happens.
Two separate universe's = too much for me to digest and enjoy a story from trilogy to trilogy.
Trilogies been separate and rated on their own, maybe.
But it will be strange having one franchise I know well having two different realities.

[SwitchN7]

TurianRebel212 wrote...

SwitchN7 wrote...

A Shooter staring James Vega.I will laugh.

with an alternate dimensional tie in with the Gears of War franchise. Also all the mini games will be madden. No, no wait FIFA.

P.S. I could see EA doing this. OMG. 

Of course you can see them trying it because they would and they do.By their own statements their sole reason is to put out hit after hit as soon as possible.Cough Madden,Fifa anyone? Oh no there is absolutely nothing wrong with that is it? *mums ME3 production time,Casey locked with his vision in a room with the whole ending fiasco trololol*

[Shadowedge2010]

I'm not buying what Chris said about how Mass Effect 4 or whatever they plan to call it will work. Besides an alternative universe or a prequel/sequel time table to the ME universe as we know it, there isn't much more to do with it. If they take the first option, it's ripping off JJ Abrams. If they choose the latter, it would have to be a prequel or around 50,000 years after Shepard. I don't believe the Mass Effect machines are working either.