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[Applepie_Svk]

Snake91 wrote...

Anyway Mass Effect 4 will sucks

Look at Derp Space 3 - while EA managment is celebrating in ingorance and cherry-picking good reviews to prove their truth, old DS1/2 fans are crying bloody tears about how stupid game is... and plot ? Haha good one... actually there is no plot at all...

EA cherry-picking for Derp Space 3 92 % reviews, fans gave 50-75% at its best...


So mark my words, first screens from next ME reminds me for some reason old Half-Life mode called Ricochet, as much this also there is fact saying that developer for this ME should be the same developer which created OMEGA-overpaidhypedpewpewnostoryDLC and that´s it... next game will be whatever but less story and more pew pew... 

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 07 février 2013 - 06:53 .

[Peete]

Personally I think a pre humans sci fi game would be awesome.

[humes spork]

Well, logically any fourth Mass Effect game to take place in the same universe would be a prequel, side-quel, or sequel. That would be how time works, you know being a linear concept and all -- events or series' of events either occur before, after, or at the same time as others. The time frame is rather irrelevant, here.

Any game that takes place after the events of ME3 would still have the impact of the events of ME3, even if it is framed around species in an entirely different part of the galaxy that have had no prior contact to species in existing lore (which is an interesting prospect for a game nevertheless). An ME3 ending would still have to be canonized in that regard, as our hypothetical species' relays would still be disabled in the event of destroy, the Reapers would still exist in synthesis or control and remain active in the galaxy, or the very nature of this hypothetical species would be fundamentally altered in the event of synthesis.

Since Priestly also mentioned avoiding cliche, let's discuss the possibilities outside the realm of a game that occurs in extant canon or the current MEU (excluding "before, after, during, or yaddayaddayadda"). Given that, we're faced with either the possibilities of a time travel plot, or an alternate continuity/franchise reboot game...which are, after the last decade of sci-fi/fantasy entertainment, at the very top of the list that draw fan/community backlash.

[3DandBeyond]

humes spork wrote...

Well, logically any fourth Mass Effect game to take place in the same universe would be a prequel, side-quel, or sequel. That would be how time works, you know being a linear concept and all -- events or series' of events either occur before, after, or at the same time as others. The time frame is rather irrelevant, here.

Any game that takes place after the events of ME3 would still have the impact of the events of ME3, even if it is framed around species in an entirely different part of the galaxy that have had no prior contact to species in existing lore (which is an interesting prospect for a game nevertheless). An ME3 ending would still have to be canonized in that regard, as our hypothetical species' relays would still be disabled in the event of destroy, the Reapers would still exist in synthesis or control and remain active in the galaxy, or the very nature of this hypothetical species would be fundamentally altered in the event of synthesis.

Since Priestly also mentioned avoiding cliche, let's discuss the possibilities outside the realm of a game that occurs in extant canon or the current MEU (excluding "before, after, during, or yaddayaddayadda"). Given that, we're faced with either the possibilities of a time travel plot, or an alternate continuity/franchise reboot game...which are, after the last decade of sci-fi/fantasy entertainment, at the very top of the list that draw fan/community backlash.

Ha ha, this is right to the point.  They would have to canonize an ending in order to do any type of sequel that exists in real reality in this galaxy.  The existence of Refuse alone and it being so different from the choice endings speaks volumes here.  The problem is that all of the things you did in the games would have to basically not matter (not just the ending choice but everything) in order to create a sequel in this galaxy with some of the known races (or even races as yet undiscovered).  That's not a good way to start the next set of games with the Mass Effect moniker when choices were supposed to matter.  Indeed, that does seem more like an alternate reality.  ME4: Your Choices Don't Matter.  Maybe at the end of that one, you get some sort of win ending with a better feeling than just one version of galaxy crap shoot.

Seeing as some alternate reality would have to mean Shepard doesn't exist (Shepard's story is done they say), and that would mean some characters would not be there or would no longer have the relationships they did, ugh.  Alternate realities or parallel universes are rather tricky.  And they've been done a lot and not always all that well.

Also, yeah they could set it in some non-human star system, again ugh.  That will rule out a lot of people that like playing as a human. 

[3DandBeyond]

Peete wrote...

Personally I think a pre humans sci fi game would be awesome.

Wanna know how it ends?  Reapers and the cycles.  So cool to start caring about some pre-humans who eventually will be visited by reapers who will turn them into goo.  Given what the set up for ME3 was, you'd have to go back before Leviathan to see people not visited by reapers, but even they eventually will lead to reapers.

[1337b0r0m1r]

kylecouch wrote...

As Mr Priestly has stated, he disagrees with people thinking it can only be a prequal or a sequal. Now sure many of you might think he is full of crap, I myself am guilty of this on occasion, however I think this time hes trying to actually tell us the game plan without getting into trouble. Basiclly I think "ME4" will boil down to this, alternate reality Mass Effect where there never were any Reapers to begin with. This lets them avoid having to pick a canon ending and thus pissing people off, and also avoids a boring Prequal that while -possibly- interesting would ultimately probably not be too successful.

What do you think? Would you be at all interested if the next games are in an alternate reality without Reapers? 

Yes, declaring one ending as canonical would ****** some people off, as it negates their choices. However, I am not sure whether these would add a large number to the ranks who are already unhappy because of the endings anyway. And creating an alternate reality would be even worse, as it, in a way, negates all peoples choices. Not to mention that it makes any consistent world-building a mess, and precludes the possibility of adding references to Shepard's - our! - heroic deeds, which would make for much richer experience. 
I completely agree with you on the prequel alternative, though. When you have inifite possibilites to tell a new, original story, why would you want to tell a story where the broad outcome is already known, not to mention that the timeframe of humanity in space prior to ME1 is so short.

[1337b0r0m1r]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Peete wrote...

Personally I think a pre humans sci fi game would be awesome.

Wanna know how it ends?  Reapers and the cycles.  So cool to start caring about some pre-humans who eventually will be visited by reapers who will turn them into goo.  Given what the set up for ME3 was, you'd have to go back before Leviathan to see people not visited by reapers, but even they eventually will lead to reapers.

That, and I think it would be a bad idea in other ways too. Not being able to play as human would put many people off, and it would be much harder to tell a compelling, emotionally involving story - we all are humans after all. 

[TheRevanchist]

1337b0r0m1r wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Peete wrote...

Personally I think a pre humans sci fi game would be awesome.

Wanna know how it ends?  Reapers and the cycles.  So cool to start caring about some pre-humans who eventually will be visited by reapers who will turn them into goo.  Given what the set up for ME3 was, you'd have to go back before Leviathan to see people not visited by reapers, but even they eventually will lead to reapers.

That, and I think it would be a bad idea in other ways too. Not being able to play as human would put many people off, and it would be much harder to tell a compelling, emotionally involving story - we all are humans after all. 

And yet being shoe-horned into beign nothing BUT human pisses off most Dragon Age players...hmmm...maybe ppl are sick of playing humans in fictional settings?

[Mega.scream]

OMG. Bioware, just give us Mass Effect 4 with Shephard. Make some DLC about how it was all idoctrination and that the endings were only a "dream" to Shephard and have us do a real ending that would be cannon. I don't post much, but jeez, it's not that hard to see that the community you have here definitely wants the Mass Effect universe to continue on (myself being counted among them).

[TheRevanchist]

Yea maybe, but not everyone wants Shepard in ME4.

[Mega.scream]

kylecouch wrote...

Yea maybe, but not everyone wants Shepard in ME4.

Regardless if Shep is in or not (I hope he is), everyone seems to want Mass Effect to continue on. Personally, I think calling anything these days a trilogy is lame. Nobody ends at 3, not Halo, not Gears of War, not God of War, nobody. And if it's successful and has a huge fanbase, why should it?

[PainCakesx]

kylecouch wrote...

1337b0r0m1r wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Peete wrote...

Personally I think a pre humans sci fi game would be awesome.

Wanna know how it ends?  Reapers and the cycles.  So cool to start caring about some pre-humans who eventually will be visited by reapers who will turn them into goo.  Given what the set up for ME3 was, you'd have to go back before Leviathan to see people not visited by reapers, but even they eventually will lead to reapers.

That, and I think it would be a bad idea in other ways too. Not being able to play as human would put many people off, and it would be much harder to tell a compelling, emotionally involving story - we all are humans after all. 

And yet being shoe-horned into beign nothing BUT human pisses off most Dragon Age players...hmmm...maybe ppl are sick of playing humans in fictional settings?

You =/= people. Most people I know would prefer a ME game with a human protagonist, or at least as an option.

[AlanC9]

Mega.scream wrote...

OMG. Bioware, just give us Mass Effect 4 with Shephard. Make some DLC about how it was all idoctrination and that the endings were only a "dream" to Shephard and have us do a real ending that would be cannon. I don't post much, but jeez, it's not that hard to see that the community you have here definitely wants the Mass Effect universe to continue on (myself being counted among them).

ME universe continuing? Yep

Shepard? Hell, no.

[1337b0r0m1r]

kylecouch wrote...

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And yet being shoe-horned into beign nothing BUT human pisses off most Dragon Age players...hmmm...maybe ppl are sick of playing humans in fictional settings? 

Your point is entirely valid, but there are some things you need to consider here. I guess you wish for a game where you have the freedom to freely choose your race. Now I don't know about Dragon Age, but the reality in most games that let you do so, maybe even all, is that this freedom comes at a cost: your race rarely matters for the story, if at all, and NPC don't care either, for the most part. It is a very superficial choice really. The Mass Effect series so far, however, is different here - and I would wish for it to stay that way. The player's race, being human, has been a central element to the story, as is humanity and it's place in the galaxy, and conflict between races in general. The story is tailored to you being human. If you were another race, it would have had to be quite different.
In order to create an experience that is as intensive in this regard for every playable race, you would need very skillful writers, and invest a tremendous amount of effort. The storyline would have to branch much more - in addition to (or even multiplication)  to what is expected anyway as result of your gender and your character's action .And many people already weren't happy with the amount of distinct consequences of your actions as it is, even without the additional layer of complexity that is player race. Many NPCs would have to react differently to your race too. You "should" also get different voice actors for each race then, so as not feel cheap

If you add romances to that mix, it will become even more difficult. Games already have a hard time telling any kind of credible, mature romance, and while BioWare probably handles it better than most (for which they deserve much credit, imho), they don't do it perfectly either. Alien-alien romances that get a large enough number of players emotionall invested... phew...  mind this is not just telling a believable alien-alien love story, as in a movie or between 2 NPCs, it is about getting you, as a player, to really care about both your character and your love interest.


So, for these reasons I would rather have BioWare focussed on developing a good storyline for one race, instead of taking account of many. And that race should be human. Sure, some people would like to play as Asari, some as Krogan, others as Turians - but I cannot imagine that there are more potential buyers that would prefer one single, specific race to humans. And, as I said, because I think it is easier to tell a good story that  from the human perspective. 

Modifié par 1337b0r0m1r, 07 février 2013 - 09:58 .

[halbert986]

Seriously one of the dumbest statements I have ever heard.

"We're making a mass effect game that doesn't take place in the mass effect universe but still takes place in the mass effect universe."

Good luck with that one. Apparently a galaxy-wide war and 3 completely different consequences for the ending choice make no difference. It's not a prequel, it's not a sequel, and it's not off to the side.... There's no other direction you can take it here. Don't call it mass effect then. Call it happy space time fun adventures.

You can't write a story in the mass effect universe without including the reaper war. Unless it's a prequel. Which it apparently is not. But it's also not a sequel. So I guess it's just gonna be Mass Effect 4: Schrodinger's box.

[Renmiri1]

It could be a reboot

Mass Effect 1 redone anyone ?

[SiriusXI]

If they will indeed make an "alternate reality ME where reapers never existed"... then this would be hilariously terrible =D

1. It is terrible, because it woulr mean they really think that the ME universe in its current state is a mess which is better not further explored.

2. #Strangely, this terrible decision might be the only way ME4 will actually not suck, because it won't acknowledge the terrible ME 3 endings as true (at least in this alternate universe)

[Miket213]

for me it would have to be a sequal

[Jaulen]

No interest in a prequel…..I know how the universe ends already, or what the ultimate final outcome of the prequal storyline will be. Keep prequel stuff to codexes, comics, and books (maybe a movie).

No interest in a concurrent game either…..I know ultimately how that will end, will my strugle in the concurrent game affect anything? Nope, because what Shep does with the Reapers has consequences universe-wide. And anything I’d do in that game would get subducted under the greater threat of the Reapers and Shep. (this seems like more of an expansion pack idea instead of a full blown game)

A direct sequel? Eh, they’d have to pick a cannon ending. Wouldn’t really by able to make Shep’s choices from the original ME series import in in any meaningful way. And there’s too much hullaballoo about ME3 to want to touch that with a 20-mile pole.

A sequel set centuries after the ME trilogy? Now that could work. They could import Shep’s choice, but it assumes that there is a common point in the history of the future (and that even if Shep picked Control that the reapers and ShepStar Child are in hibernation now) far enough out that any of the near-history details would get washed out. Simple Easter eggs galore would be possible based on import flags.

 
Only way I’d be buying a ME ‘sequel’ would be the last option.

Modifié par Jaulen, 08 février 2013 - 06:41 .

[Ice Cold J]

 Hard to say... I don't want to leave that universe behind. But I felt the same way when I played Mass Effect 1 for the first time, and I've grown to absolutely LOVE everythign about it.

[darkway1]

I think the logical way forward is to set the scene hundreds of years in the future.....same races,same universe,fresh start........control,synthesis,destroy can all be explained away.

[Shadowedge2010]

I suppose Bioware could claim that the universe is so vast that the Reapers couldn't control all of it. This could allow new species to thrive in a distant part of the universe where the Mass Effect relays weren't there. These species could then travel the stars and find some of the remnants of when the Reapers died and took everything with them.

[CynicalShep]

I want all ME races and no Shepard (which they both confirmed). I also want it to be an RPG as opposed to a run-of-the-mil pew pew and I want a human protagonist. That's about it.

[Indy_S]

Mumbling over the end choice is the best solution. Either go for a Control where Shepard just sends all the Reapers away or go with Destroy and have you never witness one of their corpses. Green magic is just weird. And seriously, don't even try to bring Cerberus back.

[Eitrig]

it's going to take place somewhere around the same time as shepard's story in the mass effect universe. it's just going to be somewhere in the galaxy where shepard is not. it will probably let you import your mass effect 3 save, to show how shepard's actions have a ripple effect, and changing whether certain characters are alive or dead, and lots of other minor things that won't have any real bearing on the end of the new game.