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[harbinger of war]

 ..What will you do?

Modifié par harbinger of war, 27 janvier 2013 - 06:23 .

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

Shove spiritualism down Shepard's throat.

[Han Shot First]

*Empties back account*

*Books one month stay at Azure.*

[Karaface]

I romance Shepard.

[Shepard VI]

Make a porno with Kalahira.

[Super-Model]

Shepard VI wrote...

Make a porno with Kalahira.

By the Goddess...Literally 

[Shad Croly]

Wait patiently for those scientists on the Citadel to finish cloning new organs.

I refuse to believe that in an environment where medical science has had thousands of years to advance with the assistance of amazing feats of technology that it isn't possible to rapidly clone organs.

I'll just wait for the organs to finish, have them take out the bad ones and put in the new ones and boom! No more Kepral's Syndrome.

[Epsilon330]

Shad Croly wrote...

Wait patiently for those scientists on the Citadel to finish cloning new organs.

I refuse to believe that in an environment where medical science has had thousands of years to advance with the assistance of amazing feats of technology that it isn't possible to rapidly clone organs.

I'll just wait for the organs to finish, have them take out the bad ones and put in the new ones and boom! No more Kepral's Syndrome.

Isn't Kepral's Syndrome a disease of the blood as much as it is the lungs? I think Thane mentions a lack of Haemoglobin in ME3. I doubt a simple lung transplant would solve it. You'd need a full bone-marrow replacement (or whatever Drell have) as well.

[Vlk3]

I jump on a sword, to end this quickly. Why live another month when you can "go out like a boss" earlier?

Serious answer: I take a lung transplant.

@ Epsilon, Kepral Syndrome is a lung disease, not blood disease. The disease was changed in ME3 to fit the storyline and also because apparently Thane's new writer didn't pay attention to the lore established in ME2.

Modifié par Vlk3, 27 janvier 2013 - 10:37 .

[Vlk3]

Shad Croly wrote...

Wait patiently for those scientists on the Citadel to finish cloning new organs.

I refuse to believe that in an environment where medical science has had thousands of years to advance with the assistance of amazing feats of technology that it isn't possible to rapidly clone organs.

I'll just wait for the organs to finish, have them take out the bad ones and put in the new ones and boom! No more Kepral's Syndrome.

"I like this human. He understands!"

[GimmeDaGun]

Vlk3 wrote...

I jump on a sword, to end this quickly. Why live another month when you can "go out like a boss" earlier?

Serious answer: I take a lung transplant.

@ Epsilon, Kepral Syndrome is a lung disease, not blood disease. The disease was changed in ME3 to fit the storyline and also because apparently Thane's new writer didn't pay attention to the lore established in ME2.

Syndromes are famous for producing more than one symptom (hence the name). I ought to know, since I'm a doc..  So it's not necessarily a retcon, only an addition to our knowledge of a fictional syndrome. It could be a pulmonary disease with several secondarry symptoms like a haematologic disorder. 

... just saying.

[Gruntburner]

Assassinate everyone... and I mean everyone.

[Vlk3]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Vlk3 wrote...

I jump on a sword, to end this quickly. Why live another month when you can "go out like a boss" earlier?

Serious answer: I take a lung transplant.

@ Epsilon, Kepral Syndrome is a lung disease, not blood disease. The disease was changed in ME3 to fit the storyline and also because apparently Thane's new writer didn't pay attention to the lore established in ME2.

Syndromes are famous for producing more than one symptom (hence the name). I ought to know, since I'm a doc..  So it's not necessarily a retcon, only an addition to our knowledge of a fictional syndrome. It could be a pulmonary disease with several secondarry symptoms like a haematologic disorder. 

... just saying.

Right. Did you play LoTSB ? Thane was a viable lung transplant candidate.

... just saying.

In ME3 his disease was made into something different, because they needed to get rid of Thane. Not enough time for ME2 squadmates.

[themikefest]

grab a black widow,a bag of weed and a few cases of beer and go to where alot of reaper ground forces are and find a nice high area and start killing as many as possible

[GimmeDaGun]

Vlk3 wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Vlk3 wrote...

I jump on a sword, to end this quickly. Why live another month when you can "go out like a boss" earlier?

Serious answer: I take a lung transplant.

@ Epsilon, Kepral Syndrome is a lung disease, not blood disease. The disease was changed in ME3 to fit the storyline and also because apparently Thane's new writer didn't pay attention to the lore established in ME2.

Syndromes are famous for producing more than one symptom (hence the name). I ought to know, since I'm a doc..  So it's not necessarily a retcon, only an addition to our knowledge of a fictional syndrome. It could be a pulmonary disease with several secondarry symptoms like a haematologic disorder. 

... just saying.

Right. Did you play LoTSB ? Thane was a viable lung transplant candidate.

... just saying.

In ME3 his disease was made into something different, because they needed to get rid of Thane. Not enough time for ME2 squadmates.

Ok, I see a hardcore  fan of Thane here, so I'm not going to argue. 

Yes, I have LoTSB. I read that terminal, and I do remember something like that. But I never really expected Thane to survive in ME3... so a "minimal-retcon"  (I don't even consider it being a retcon...yeah, yeah... don't beat me up for it ) doesn't bother me. What I don't understand is why they made a romance option of the guy if they knew that he was a terminally ill person. The whole person and his situation had "tragedy" and "seeking for redemption" written all over around them. 


EDIT: (after reading his dossier again)


That dossier didn't look very good for Mr. Krios:

Thane's Medical Report From Dr. ChakwasLung Capacity: 42% (left-side lung shows large lesions, right lung has nodular lesions only)Antibiotic treatment: Now resistant to cipoxidin, malanarin, alburcin Metastatic progress: stomach, liver (minor - the liver one does not look good at all from a medical point of view, very bad prognosis), heart (negligible at this time - I'm a cardiologist: it's never negligible)Treatment Options: Viable (how on Earth after reading the above?) transplant candidate but refused to be added to list - Synthetic lung generation currently impossible for drellTherapy and Care: At this time, Mr. Krios should continue getting regular cardiovascular exercise in order to stimulate lung movement and prevent or delay the stiffness that causes lack of oxygen transport. While physical stimulation may also be beneficial in keeping tissues flexible, any injury at this point will dramatically impact Mr. Krios' body and cause rapid degeneration. It is unclear how much longer Thane will be able to serve in direct action. Thane should continue to wear loose clothing that leaves his chest uncovered to prevent moisture buildup that could worsen the problem.The drell eidetic memory is often beneficial in allowing drell to escape unpleasant scenes by losing themselves in happier times. In this case, however, Mr. Krios should try to restrict the time spent reminiscing as prolonged sedentary activity increase the rate of lung degradation.This suggests that what is best for Mr. Krios currently is to continue to remain active and engage with other team members in order to stay mentally and emotionally stimulated.

Reading this text as a doctor: this whole case is pretty derpish: it has metastasis progression which would suggest that it is sort of a cancer (instant refusal for tranplantation candidacy for being metastatic), yet it is also treated by antibiotics (for bacterial infections)... ok it could be a prophylactic treatment (in order to avoid a possible infection... since people with cancer in a terminal phase have severe immune deficiency). It could be also an infection with metastatic progression, but in that case the person can not be a candidate for transplantation again until the infection is terminated (the bacteria in Thane seem to be resilient to antibiotics...which is a very bad omen), and it would also be contagious (which it is not according to Thane... and this whole sickness is not an infection in the first place). 

Anyway - derpish as it is - the only thing this "medical record" wants to suggest is that the person has none to minimal hope for recovery.

Plus there is Thane's good-bye letter for those who make a romantic relationship with him. 

People are always crying for foreshadowing here. If this "medical record" and the letter are not foreshadowing of Mr. Krios' fate, then nothing is. So it is not a retcon. I'm sorry... ...didn't mean to ruin for you, or anything.

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 28 janvier 2013 - 03:35 .

[Vlk3]

@ GimmeDaGun, what I don't understand here is why do you think you're better than me? And that you can make fun of me, because I'm a fan of certain character? If you really are a cardiologist, I'd rather expect some maturity.

I know what the dossier states, and I'm aware that it foreshadows multiple options. I agree with you that it foreshadows Thane's death. But, it also shows other options. Not so obvious, but they're still there. Lung transplant is an option, whether you agree with that or not. It wouldn't cure Thane of course, but it would buy him more time. Thane refused - I want to ask him why he did that, try to persuade him to change his mind. Shepard is quite good at this. Synthetic lungs- not available at this time. ME3 is a few months later, a lot can change, it could be an option. The letter is nice and all, but it would be much more clever to give Thane an option to survive so that the letter would never be sent in game. Why do I have to read it twice? It's pointless and somehow- makes the experience a bit shallow in ME3.

I started the trilogy with ME2 - first thing I saw was the Lazarus Project. After that it's hard to believe that it is absolutely impossible that a cure or a treatment for Thane would appear.
You may be a doctor, but this is sci-fi with technology much better than currently exists. You should keep an open mind for other results than inevitable death. People who don't fight have already lost.


You didn't ruin it for me, because your opinion doesn't change anything. I hope you didn't think that your post would strike me with it's ingeniousness and make me believe - 'oh, so the whole year I was wrong.This man has shown me how stupid and naive I was. I should ran away crying, because now I understand that I was wrong all the time.'

You've changed nothing, as I am aware that a cure/treatment for Thane was foreshadowed as well as Thane's death. There should be multiple options, especially in a RPG.

Thread:
I still would go for a lung transplant, hoping that it would give me a chance to survive longer and perhaps - live long enough to be cured one day.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

harbinger of war wrote...

 ..What will you do?

Fall on a blade.

[Tron Mega]

practice my kung fu while looking out a window on the citadel.

[AlexMBrennan]

instant refusal for tranplantation candidacy for being metastatic

In the real world, sure - but since there are no drell and no Kepler syndrome that's a meaningless discussion.
In ME, regrowing entire limbs for transplantation in a vat is standard procedure (cf ME:Revelation), so you cannot make an argument for "instant refusal" (given the ubiquity of vat grown transplant organs in ME, that would be like refusing insulin to a diabetic with cancer in the real world).

As for finding a cure for Thane... Being terminally ill is part of his character

[GimmeDaGun]

Vlk3 wrote...

@ GimmeDaGun, what I don't understand here is why do you think you're better than me? And that you can make fun of me, because I'm a fan of certain character? If you really are a cardiologist, I'd rather expect some maturity.

I know what the dossier states, and I'm aware that it foreshadows multiple options. I agree with you that it foreshadows Thane's death. But, it also shows other options. Not so obvious, but they're still there. Lung transplant is an option, whether you agree with that or not. It wouldn't cure Thane of course, but it would buy him more time. Thane refused - I want to ask him why he did that, try to persuade him to change his mind. Shepard is quite good at this. Synthetic lungs- not available at this time. ME3 is a few months later, a lot can change, it could be an option. The letter is nice and all, but it would be much more clever to give Thane an option to survive so that the letter would never be sent in game. Why do I have to read it twice? It's pointless and somehow- makes the experience a bit shallow in ME3.

I started the trilogy with ME2 - first thing I saw was the Lazarus Project. After that it's hard to believe that it is absolutely impossible that a cure or a treatment for Thane would appear.
You may be a doctor, but this is sci-fi with technology much better than currently exists. You should keep an open mind for other results than inevitable death. People who don't fight have already lost.


You didn't ruin it for me, because your opinion doesn't change anything. I hope you didn't think that your post would strike me with it's ingeniousness and make me believe - 'oh, so the whole year I was wrong.This man has shown me how stupid and naive I was. I should ran away crying, because now I understand that I was wrong all the time.'

You've changed nothing, as I am aware that a cure/treatment for Thane was foreshadowed as well as Thane's death. There should be multiple options, especially in a RPG.

Thread:
I still would go for a lung transplant, hoping that it would give me a chance to survive longer and perhaps - live long enough to be cured one day.

 Eeer... I truly meant no harm... I just answered your post, but with no ill intetnion. And in order to do that, I looked up that "medical record" just to be sure, that what I was saying wasn't just an ass-pull. That's all. I don't see where I was suggesting that I was "better than you"... 

You said that the whole Keplar-sy. stuff in ME3 was a retcon from Bioware's part only to justify Thane's deteriorating condition and to make his death certain. You aimed to justifiy your point by mentioning the information terminal in LoTSB. I wanted to check that, since I wasn't sure. And when I did, it confirmed the contrary: that it wasn't a retcon actually, but more of a "foreshadowing" (hate this over-abused word). It strongly suggested (by pseudo-medical mumbo-jumbo in that text) that Thane was going to die very soon and that his condition was very-very bad and progressing rapidly. So Thane's fate was pretty certain according to the things we could learn by ME2. Yeah, the whole ("haemoglobin"-production related) haematologic disorder could be an addition to it, but since it's a syndrome which we have no real knowledge of (since it's a fictional one), it is more of an addition to our existing knowledge rather than a cheap attempt to justify Thane's death from the writer's part. 

I get that it's a sci-fi world, and everything is possilbe (though the Lazarus project is not exactly the best example: since it is an illegal project of billions of credits invested in one specific and symbolic persons "revival" which took top of the line technology, great minds, lots of effort and 2 years), I only say that in that text the only conclusion you could get is that Thane was truly dying for and for a good reason... and that a transplantation could have been only a long shot at best in his case... and very risky also (and he would have needed a donor also... and expensive medication, and certainly wouldn't be in the condition to leave the hospital any time soon after an operation like that...look even brittle bone disease can't be treated properly in the ME universe, and a lung transplantation is also not a simple, every day treatment). 

You should not be hurt and be upset, since I didn't mean to ruin it for you or harm you in any way. I only took your point seriously and answered to it accordingly. In the end it's up to you what you want to believe in, but mind you: it's you and what you wish for and not a flaw in the story... since Thane, his condition and chances in ME3 do not contradict anything what we had learnt about him and his disease in ME2. That's all.

And my remark in the beginning of my post meant to be a light-hearted joke and wasn't there to intentionally mock you. It seems, it didn't work, so it was a bad joke. I truly am a cardiologist, but when I'm here I think I can put my professional behaviour aside and behave the way I truly am, as I do when I'm home: I'm here to relax and discuss the game. If you felt that in I was in any way disrespectful with you, then I'm sorry. I really don't know what else to say.

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 28 janvier 2013 - 05:34 .

[GimmeDaGun]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

instant refusal for tranplantation candidacy for being metastatic

In the real world, sure - but since there are no drell and no Kepler syndrome that's a meaningless discussion.
In ME, regrowing entire limbs for transplantation in a vat is standard procedure (cf ME:Revelation), so you cannot make an argument for "instant refusal" (given the ubiquity of vat grown transplant organs in ME, that would be like refusing insulin to a diabetic with cancer in the real world).

As for finding a cure for Thane... Being terminally ill is part of his character

I never read the books... so I couldn't know. 

As for your last statement: in the game everything suggested the contrary, and his character was more of a dying person's story who had dwelled in sin and haunted by his past deeds, seeking redemption in his last hours. It is a tragic and very spiritual character with a story of strongly spiritual messages... I never felt and saw a "materialistic or athestistic" happy ending for him (finding a miracule cure etc.): his story was the story of a sinner's"good" death: dying in peace knowing he righted the wrongs of his life (the relationship with his son being a very prominent one) and found redemption for all the bad things he had done in his past by giving his life for others.

I find it very strong and touching material... but we are all different. 

That's why I found the idea of making him a LI pretty strange (made a few people too emotionally attached to the character in a selfish way). I have to admit that I hate this feature in ME2: the whole love-boat Normandy stuff and playboy-bi.tch Shep, who can even romance with his or her goldfishes... too soap-operaish for my taste... made ME2 a bit of a lousy romantic flick with the usual power-trippy attitude and moments from action movies and it also had the weakest story (I guess it's not that hard to figure out which installment I consider the weakest of the three).

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 28 janvier 2013 - 03:52 .

[Beerfish]

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

Shove spiritualism down Shepard's throat.

lol I did laugh at this one. 

[Hainkpe]

Get giggy with Shepard.

[harbinger of war]

this is cool guys