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[NuclearTech76]

GallowsPole wrote...

Ah. One of my favorite people. So it is an opinion that the mechanic was an unintentional bug found in the late 80's which BW calls a 'feature' in 2012? So, people really arent defending an unintentional bug? I mean feature?

Yes. Im clueless.


Will now wait for the obligatory, "But BW put it in intentionally!". Oh brother.

Bug equals unknown mechanic. Known mechanic equals intended game mechanic.

Some of the best discoveries in science have been accidental. I guess you think we shouldn't use penicillin because it was discovered by accident?

[robarcool]

It depends on what you call dishonorable. To me, if reload cancelling ain't dishonorable, then running with the objective ain't either. Both require some skill and don't give a massive advantage so as to jeopardize everyone's game.

[Deadarth]

am I the only one getting sick of people and their whole honor thing on games ...

[GallowsPole]

Erm. Im talking about a video game, not medical mysteries. You guys keep insisting that it is a feature now and not a bug. Something I have been agreeing with since the beginning. I understand that BW put it in. I understand it is no longer a bug. It is ALSO nothing like it should be. And that is rewarding players that know how to use it. If I hear another person say you need skill in this game to RC, Ill scream.

That's the core of my issue with it. I don't lose sleep over it, I don't rage over it, Im just simply offering my observations on it. If you simply want to attack me, that's cool. I simply say, hey, BW changed it from a bug to a feature. Other than the name change, what again exactly changed? Oh yeah. NOTHING. You guys are defending a mechanic that is and always was broken! BW just changed the name from bug to feature.

I give up. Its simple logic that is lost upon gamers I guess. Cant seem to pass the almighty devs.

[GallowsPole]

Deadarth wrote...

am I the only one getting sick of people and their whole honor thing on games ...

Probably not. I get sick of gamers using every exploit in the game and then consider themselves majestic in some way because they can better manipulate software than someone else. I don't consider that being skilled. So its not so much honor/dishonor, I just find any kind of software manipulation...cheating, for lack of a better term.

[Crimson Vanguard]

GallowsPole wrote...

Erm. Im talking about a video game, not medical mysteries. You guys keep insisting that it is a feature now and not a bug. Something I have been agreeing with since the beginning. I understand that BW put it in. I understand it is no longer a bug. It is ALSO nothing like it should be. And that is rewarding players that know how to use it. If I hear another person say you need skill in this game to RC, Ill scream.

That's the core of my issue with it. I don't lose sleep over it, I don't rage over it, Im just simply offering my observations on it. If you simply want to attack me, that's cool. I simply say, hey, BW changed it from a bug to a feature. Other than the name change, what again exactly changed? Oh yeah. NOTHING. You guys are defending a mechanic that is and always was broken! BW just changed the name from bug to feature.

I give up. Its simple logic that is lost upon gamers I guess. Cant seem to pass the almighty devs.

People bash on you because you keep imposing your opinion on others. Its like a dick, it's nice to have one but don't keep waving it into other people's faces. The problem is whenever you showed up, I think here we go again. 

[GallowsPole]

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

Erm. Im talking about a video game, not medical mysteries. You guys keep insisting that it is a feature now and not a bug. Something I have been agreeing with since the beginning. I understand that BW put it in. I understand it is no longer a bug. It is ALSO nothing like it should be. And that is rewarding players that know how to use it. If I hear another person say you need skill in this game to RC, Ill scream.

That's the core of my issue with it. I don't lose sleep over it, I don't rage over it, Im just simply offering my observations on it. If you simply want to attack me, that's cool. I simply say, hey, BW changed it from a bug to a feature. Other than the name change, what again exactly changed? Oh yeah. NOTHING. You guys are defending a mechanic that is and always was broken! BW just changed the name from bug to feature.

I give up. Its simple logic that is lost upon gamers I guess. Cant seem to pass the almighty devs.

People bash on you because you keep imposing your opinion on others. Its like a dick, it's nice to have one but don't keep waving it into other people's faces. The problem is whenever you showed up, I think here we go again. 

Isnt just about every post on this forum opinion oriented? There aint a single person on this board that can say this is the best build, this is the best weapon, this is the best kit...etc..etc....all of that is imposing opinion. Skills come down to the person, and nothing having to do with anything else.  I get bashed because I have an opposing opinion.

Ive been gaming for over 20 years and I know gamers don't like to hear they cheat or suck cause they manipulate the game to win. I cant help that.

Modifié par GallowsPole, 28 janvier 2013 - 05:06 .

[NuclearTech76]

GallowsPole wrote...

Erm. Im talking about a video game, not medical mysteries. You guys keep insisting that it is a feature now and not a bug. Something I have been agreeing with since the beginning. I understand that BW put it in. I understand it is no longer a bug. It is ALSO nothing like it should be. And that is rewarding players that know how to use it. If I hear another person say you need skill in this game to RC, Ill scream.

That's the core of my issue with it. I don't lose sleep over it, I don't rage over it, Im just simply offering my observations on it. If you simply want to attack me, that's cool. I simply say, hey, BW changed it from a bug to a feature. Other than the name change, what again exactly changed? Oh yeah. NOTHING. You guys are defending a mechanic that is and always was broken! BW just changed the name from bug to feature.

I give up. Its simple logic that is lost upon gamers I guess. Cant seem to pass the almighty devs.

What should it be then? Is your issue that it is a hidden mechanic?

And by the way, you do need skill to reliably RC under fire.

[GallowsPole]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

What should it be then? Is your issue that it is a hidden mechanic?

And by the way, you do need skill to reliably RC under fire.

Like it was when it was introduced and you needed actual skill to pull off combos. I think that is reward. In 2013, not so much. Its just an abused "clever use of game mechanics" That's all

[Aerowind]

I'm confused about all the talk of it needing skill to be used (at least on PC). I saw it used once and it took me all of about 30 seconds before I realized "Start sprinting, mash spacebar as fast as you can for fun and profit". It's not any more skilled than reload cancelling is.

[Crimson Vanguard]

GallowsPole wrote...

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

Erm. Im talking about a video game, not medical mysteries. You guys keep insisting that it is a feature now and not a bug. Something I have been agreeing with since the beginning. I understand that BW put it in. I understand it is no longer a bug. It is ALSO nothing like it should be. And that is rewarding players that know how to use it. If I hear another person say you need skill in this game to RC, Ill scream.

That's the core of my issue with it. I don't lose sleep over it, I don't rage over it, Im just simply offering my observations on it. If you simply want to attack me, that's cool. I simply say, hey, BW changed it from a bug to a feature. Other than the name change, what again exactly changed? Oh yeah. NOTHING. You guys are defending a mechanic that is and always was broken! BW just changed the name from bug to feature.

I give up. Its simple logic that is lost upon gamers I guess. Cant seem to pass the almighty devs.

People bash on you because you keep imposing your opinion on others. Its like a dick, it's nice to have one but don't keep waving it into other people's faces. The problem is whenever you showed up, I think here we go again. 

Isnt just about every post on this forum opinion oriented? There aint a single person on this board that can say this is the best build, this is the best weapon, this is the best kit...etc..etc....all of that is imposing opinion. Skills come down to the person, and nothing having to do with anything else.  I get bashed because I have an opposing opinion.

Ive been gaming for over 20 years and I know gamers don't like to hear they cheat or suck cause they manipulate the game to win. I cant help that.

Again people don't keep bashing the same thing all over and over. Except for certain individuals, I remember certain names because whenever I saw them, its the same crap that hated by people and they were trying to impose it on them.

Modifié par Crimson Vanguard, 28 janvier 2013 - 05:15 .

[GallowsPole]

People only remember the continuing posts. Ive posted probably three times as much that have nothing to do with any of this that no one remembers. Forums. Bah

[TriniWarlord]

Images wrote...

Yay, winning! Sure. But it kind of loses the true taste of victory.

Play Platinum much?

[Sekrev]

GallowsPole wrote...
Im just simply offering my observations on it.

I give up. Its simple logic that is lost upon gamers I guess. Cant seem to pass the almighty devs.

Yeah you're giving your opinion, no problem with that, and then continue to say everyone who disagrees with you cannot grasp simple logic and is basically an idiot. There's the problem.

Its just an abused "clever use of game mechanics" That's all 

There's my opinion. Use of features available, it's not a bug. Doesn't matter what it started out like years ago, rigth now it's a feature available for use to those with knowledge of it. Doesn't have to do with skill, or cheap, it's just there and if you know of it you can use it.

Anyway, think whatever you want of it, don't insinuate others are stupid for not agreeing with you.

Modifié par Sekrev, 28 janvier 2013 - 06:09 .

[Serker31]

Second "crap hits the fan" aftermath I've seen today and in my life on this forum. Same man initiated both, wonderful.

About pizza. It is a bit cheap, but noone cares. It looks like everyone's problem is not pizza, but "someone is wrong in Internet" thing.

Modifié par Serker31, 28 janvier 2013 - 06:15 .

[GallowsPole]

I didn't call anyone an idiot for disagreeing with me. Simple logic was, broken mechanic = bug in late 80's. BW deems it a feature on 2012 MP. All that changed was the designation of the mechanic from bug to feature. Now think of yourself in the late 80's praising this wonderful bug you found. Now think of you in 2012, praising same bug except now it's called a feature by the devs. Logical is it not ?

[Jack of Wolves]

I usually just run backwards.

[Sekrev]

GallowsPole wrote...

I didn't call anyone an idiot for disagreeing with me. Simple logic was, broken mechanic = bug in late 80's. BW deems it a feature on 2012 MP. All that changed was the designation of the mechanic from bug to feature. Now think of yourself in the late 80's praising this wonderful bug you found. Now think of you in 2012, praising same bug except now it's called a feature by the devs. Logical is it not ?

Sigh. Yeah it's perfectly logical to me. Broken mechanic, people make clever use of it. Gets intentionally put into games because people enjoy it. Therefore in any game it's intentionally in, not a bug. People enjoy tricks that make them more effective. Gaming is about fun, stuff put in game to make people enjoy it are features, no matter how they came into being originally. That is where I stand, because it is logical to me.

Ontopic, I find running with the pizza cheaper than reload cancelling, but well within acceptable scales. Consider it the one-button-to-rule-them-all actually being used for something helpful instead of making you do what you didn't want to do.

[Images]

Deadarth wrote...

am I the only one getting sick of people and their whole honor thing on games ...

“It's not whether you win or lose, but how you play the game.”

Not really a NEW philosophy.

[Homey C-Dawg]

Why is this thread still going? This whole thing is a non-issue.

[joseardzm]

GallowsPole wrote...

I didn't call anyone an idiot for disagreeing with me. Simple logic was, broken mechanic = bug in late 80's. BW deems it a feature on 2012 MP. All that changed was the designation of the mechanic from bug to feature. Now think of yourself in the late 80's praising this wonderful bug you found. Now think of you in 2012, praising same bug except now it's called a feature by the devs. Logical is it not ?

it seems like people here accept anything BW devs say.

One day they'll say that orginally Banshees have always had the tactical cloak power. And viola!!! a bug now becomes a feature and everyone here will auto-accept it!!! Banshees can tactical cloak forever, but only when they feel like to.

[OneMore1968]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Why is this thread still going? This whole thing is a non-issue.

It becomes so whenever a certain individual gets involved.  

Gallows Pole you have a remarkably apt Username.  The number of times I see you "hang" yourself in a purely virtual way of course is amazing.

And of course we accept what the developer's say, they after all wrote the game and designed it the way it is.  so if they classify for instance RC as ACUOGM then that is what it is.  Was it Christina (can't remember surname) who coded this and was glad ppl had found it.  Same with everything else that exists.  

[Najarati]

I don't do it, personally. I feel it goes against the spirit of the objective. Plus, I find the constant pickup/drop sounds incredibly obnoxious.