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#126
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explains why I die so much even when running perpendicular or flipping as a drell...I get about 50-60fps. Lol damn.

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Caratinoid wrote...

@Deerber

Drell have very low shields and will hit the no regen bug sooner than other char, the only way to win would be to not get hit at all since one burst is enough to kill drell even with full shields, which will be pretty difficult on platinum with increased accuracy.


Exactly :devil:

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Deerber wrote...

Caratinoid wrote...

@Deerber

Drell have very low shields and will hit the no regen bug sooner than other char, the only way to win would be to not get hit at all since one burst is enough to kill drell even with full shields, which will be pretty difficult on platinum with increased accuracy.


Exactly :devil:


Ha ... ok then .. just to make sure you understand what you are getting yourself into.;)

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Found a fix

#130
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Caratinoid wrote...

Found a fix



And the fix was.....

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Caratinoid wrote...

Found a fix


Tease.

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Caratinoid wrote...

Found a fix


What do we have to sacrifice to make you tell us what the fix is?

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Sooo... the fix... yeah...

Share? :whistle:

#134
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Well, I will need to get some cookies first!:lol:

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It's not so simple unfortunately, there are some legality questions here, certain values need to be modified in the Coalesced.bin, these values need to be adjusted each time you change your frame rate. If you increase your frame rate from 30 to 120 you'll need to increase those values 4-times as well. Those changes should happen automatically but they don't, which is a BUG! Obviously nothing stops people adjusting those values in the wrong direction, making the game a total joke, and from the looks of it a lot of people are interested in that.

I think I'm gonna PM the devs about it first and see what they think about it.

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Caratinoid wrote...

Well, I will need to get some cookies first!:lol:


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And this is complimentary:

https://encrypted-tb...yslWXuZmy3LPQww

Now spill! :D

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Caratinoid wrote...

It's not so simple unfortunately, there are some legality questions here, certain values need to be modified in the Coalesced.bin, these values need to be adjusted each time you change your frame rate. If you increase your frame rate from 30 to 120 you'll need to increase those values 4-times as well. Those changes should happen automatically but they don't, which is a BUG! Obviously nothing stops people adjusting those values in the wrong direction, making the game a total joke, and from the looks of it a lot of people are interested in that.

I think I'm gonna PM the devs about it first and see what they think about it.


Interesting find. It's a good idea to check with the devs first but I'm pretty sure the kind of modification you're describing involving AI will be off limits, most likely because it will be hard for Bioware/EA to police it.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

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Question: how can I remove frame rate smoothing in game? Can't seem to find it in the coalesced, though I'm probably looking in the wrong place...

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P3G4SU5 wrote...

Caratinoid wrote...

It's not so simple unfortunately, there are some legality questions here, certain values need to be modified in the Coalesced.bin, these values need to be adjusted each time you change your frame rate. If you increase your frame rate from 30 to 120 you'll need to increase those values 4-times as well. Those changes should happen automatically but they don't, which is a BUG! Obviously nothing stops people adjusting those values in the wrong direction, making the game a total joke, and from the looks of it a lot of people are interested in that.

I think I'm gonna PM the devs about it first and see what they think about it.


Interesting find. It's a good idea to check with the devs first but I'm pretty sure the kind of modification you're describing involving AI will be off limits, most likely because it will be hard for Bioware/EA to police it.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.


This is what I think too, I can PM the values involved here to anyone interested so you can see the effects for yourself but will not post them here because it's an exploit unless bioware tells otherwise. It's basically a difficulty slider. No need to overclock things anymore to reach the insanity level!

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Annomander wrote...

Question: how can I remove frame rate smoothing in game? Can't seem to find it in the coalesced, though I'm probably looking in the wrong place...


It's in coalesced too but you don't have to go that far.  Put these values in GamerSettings.ini under [SystemSettings] located in "Documents\\BioWare\\Mass Effect 3\\BIOGame\\Config":

SmoothFrameRate=True
MinSmoothedFrameRate=22
MaxSmoothedFrameRate=62
UseVSync=True

Those are the default values, don't turn smoothing unless you can run at vsync rate though. You can set both min and max values to the same value to prevent the system from adjusting your frame rate.

Modifié par Caratinoid, 28 janvier 2013 - 10:12 .


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Caratinoid wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Question: how can I remove frame rate smoothing in game? Can't seem to find it in the coalesced, though I'm probably looking in the wrong place...


It's in coalesced too but you don't have to go that far.  Put this values in GamerSettings.ini located in "DocumentsBioWareMass Effect 3BIOGameConfig":

SmoothFrameRate=True
MinSmoothedFrameRate=22
MaxSmoothedFrameRate=62
UseVSync=True


Those are the default values, don't turn smoothing unless you can run at vsync rate though. You can set both min and max values to the same value to prevent the system from adjusting your frame rate.


I don't have any of those options in the GamerSettings.ini.... :unsure:

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Annomander wrote...

Caratinoid wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Question: how can I remove frame rate smoothing in game? Can't seem to find it in the coalesced, though I'm probably looking in the wrong place...


It's in coalesced too but you don't have to go that far.  Put these values in GamerSettings.ini located in "DocumentsBioWareMass Effect 3BIOGameConfig":

SmoothFrameRate=True
MinSmoothedFrameRate=22
MaxSmoothedFrameRate=62
UseVSync=True


Those are the default values, don't turn smoothing unless you can run at vsync rate though. You can set both min and max values to the same value to prevent the system from adjusting your frame rate.


I don't have any of those options in the GamerSettings.ini.... :unsure:


I said put them there. :whistle:

Modifié par Caratinoid, 28 janvier 2013 - 10:11 .


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Caratinoid wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Caratinoid wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Question: how can I remove frame rate smoothing in game? Can't seem to find it in the coalesced, though I'm probably looking in the wrong place...


It's in coalesced too but you don't have to go that far.  Put these values in GamerSettings.ini located in "DocumentsBioWareMass Effect 3BIOGameConfig":

SmoothFrameRate=True
MinSmoothedFrameRate=22
MaxSmoothedFrameRate=62
UseVSync=True


Those are the default values, don't turn smoothing unless you can run at vsync rate though. You can set both min and max values to the same value to prevent the system from adjusting your frame rate.


I don't have any of those options in the GamerSettings.ini.... :unsure:


I said put them there. :whistle:


Ahh I understand now.

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UnknownMercenary wrote...

It is noticeably more challenging to play a squishy class when you are hosting. :pinched:


You mean on PC? Or Console, too?

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Oh, I read of the fix only now. Wow, impressive.

That might be the biggest finding in this game by far, much more important than all the tests people did.

Let us know what the devs say about it, will you? :)

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Very interesting thread. Didn't know about any of this stuff, although after a long break from MP and upgrading to a 120hz (and uncapping fps) mooks sure seem aggressive (or quick to react), accurate and very difficult, sometimes almost instantly killing me. They're my most feared enemies. I mostly host our games (friend + 2 randoms), as I get weird bugs on his, but it felt very different to play on his host even though we live near each other and have very low ping.

So, to clarify, the shield regen bug affects everyone? Because it has been bugging a friend that almost every time he plays Drell Inf on my server, he gets no shield recharge and screen stays red etc. for whole waves. Certainly would make sense, that kit only having 250 base shield.

Fix would be nice for sure, I'd rather not go back to 60fps after getting used to 120hz. Normally I get around 100-200fps while hosting I imagine, but should probably cap that somewhere now that I know after reading this thread.

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Deerber wrote...

Oh, I read of the fix only now. Wow, impressive.

That might be the biggest finding in this game by far, much more important than all the tests people did.

Let us know what the devs say about it, will you? :)

I wouldn't go so far, most tests take a lot of time. All I had to do was edit some random variables.;)

No news so far, but it doesn't appear to be a known bug. I wonder which frame rate they use as a reference for balance changes, cause the difference between 30 and 60 is quite noticeable, especially if you play off host. The number of points I put in shields strongly depends on who of my friends is hosting for example.

To me the game seems to be the most balanced at 30 FPS, where you can avoid bullets by running perfectly perpendicular to the enemy line of sight but will get shot in all other cases, which seems reasonable because it allows characters like drell and fury to play on open maps like london assuming the player knows how to zigzag towards the enemy. This frame rate also introduces less problems for clients with noticeable network latency, and by problems I mean dropping dead before they can react.

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Dyaheon wrote...

Very interesting thread. Didn't know about any of this stuff, although after a long break from MP and upgrading to a 120hz (and uncapping fps) mooks sure seem aggressive (or quick to react), accurate and very difficult, sometimes almost instantly killing me. They're my most feared enemies. I mostly host our games (friend + 2 randoms), as I get weird bugs on his, but it felt very different to play on his host even though we live near each other and have very low ping.

So, to clarify, the shield regen bug affects everyone? Because it has been bugging a friend that almost every time he plays Drell Inf on my server, he gets no shield recharge and screen stays red etc. for whole waves. Certainly would make sense, that kit only having 250 base shield.

Fix would be nice for sure, I'd rather not go back to 60fps after getting used to 120hz. Normally I get around 100-200fps while hosting I imagine, but should probably cap that somewhere now that I know after reading this thread.


Let me guess randoms spend most of the time on the ground, right? I wouldn't blame them for that though, on their screen it usually looks like instant death for no reason.

Yeah shield regen bug is almost guaranteed to happen at anything higher than 200 FPS but even at 120 your shields recharge slower (few seconds difference) and from time to time they won't recharge at all. It looks like kits with low shields get this bug faster. I don't have any solution for the shield bug, only the ridiculous enemy accuracy.

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Caratinoid wrote...

Deerber wrote...

Oh, I read of the fix only now. Wow, impressive.

That might be the biggest finding in this game by far, much more important than all the tests people did.

Let us know what the devs say about it, will you? :)

I wouldn't go so far, most tests take a lot of time. All I had to do was edit some random variables.;)


Well, it depends on how you judge. If you judge by the time and effort spent then yeah, I agree.

If you judge by how valuable that information might be, and by how much it could change the gameplay, then I still thin it's more important than any test could be.

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Sorry but I'm not following any of this.
Could someone give me a version that even a melon could understand?