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[Melra]

Laamaa wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Laamaa wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...

I can't help but respect Crassus. He might be on the wrong side, and I'm sure we'll see an ugly side of him, but he has a firm grasp of honor.

I'm with you regarding his son. He kinda reminds me of Seppius (I believe?), who was killed off in Vengeance - Seppia's brother? Maybe it's just how he looks. Or maybe I'm already planning his...unfortunate...end in my mind. Hehe.

Yups, couldn't agree more on this!!

As for the rest, I think the strength of the "rebels"/gladiators is kind of overpowered. I mean, okay, now they seem to have an army. But the previous season? I mean, don't tell me they defeated thousands of Romans on their own.

Well yeah... More details on that would be appreciated, but it's still possible. Maybe they were severely underestimated and they just kept sending smaller slightly larger sized forces against them.

I suppose so... Still sounds kind of hollow to me.. Ah well, it's just a tv-show I guess. 

Otherwise this season does seem to be a little better at least than the last. I don't tihnk it'll reach the same level as season 1 & the prequel though

Yeah, but at least it offers some entertainment, though knowing how different Crassus is and how these kind of things usually pan out, you can roughly guess how the plotline will go. It's sad, but I guess it's Spartacus' turn to underestimate his enemy followed by heroic but costly recovery near the end of the season. <_<

[Laamaa]

Melrache wrote...

Laamaa wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Laamaa wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...

I can't help but respect Crassus. He might be on the wrong side, and I'm sure we'll see an ugly side of him, but he has a firm grasp of honor.

I'm with you regarding his son. He kinda reminds me of Seppius (I believe?), who was killed off in Vengeance - Seppia's brother? Maybe it's just how he looks. Or maybe I'm already planning his...unfortunate...end in my mind. Hehe.

Yups, couldn't agree more on this!!

As for the rest, I think the strength of the "rebels"/gladiators is kind of overpowered. I mean, okay, now they seem to have an army. But the previous season? I mean, don't tell me they defeated thousands of Romans on their own.

Well yeah... More details on that would be appreciated, but it's still possible. Maybe they were severely underestimated and they just kept sending smaller slightly larger sized forces against them.

I suppose so... Still sounds kind of hollow to me.. Ah well, it's just a tv-show I guess. 

Otherwise this season does seem to be a little better at least than the last. I don't tihnk it'll reach the same level as season 1 & the prequel though

Yeah, but at least it offers some entertainment, though knowing how different Crassus is and how these kind of things usually pan out, you can roughly guess how the plotline will go. It's sad, but I guess it's Spartacus' turn to underestimate his enemy followed by heroic but costly recovery near the end of the season. <_<

Sad, but true allas. I'm still hoping for a plot-twist maybe...

[happy_daiz]

Well, from what I gathered, they'd been attacking mines and the like, freeing the slaves. It would seem that some time has passed, which could explain why everyone's hair (well, except Spartacus') is longer, scars have faded, etc.

With enough time, they could rise a fairly substantial army. Although the quality of said army would be suspect. For all we know, the bulk of the rebel army are huddled around a butchered horse, eating whatever scraps are thrown to them, fearing starvation.

And for some reason, that just made me think "Winter is coming". Methinks Sean Bean should make a guest appearance. I mean...he'd just end up getting killed anyway.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 29 janvier 2013 - 07:17 .

[Laamaa]

happy_daiz wrote...

Well, from what I gathered, they'd been attacking mines and the like, freeing the slaves. It would seem that some time has passed, which could explain why everyone's hair (well, except Spartacus') is longer, scars have faded, etc.

With enough time, they could rise a fairly substantial army. Although the quality of said army would be suspect. For all we know, the bulk of the rebel army are huddled around a butchered horse, eating whatever scraps are thrown to them, fearing starvation.

And for some reason, that just made me think "Winter is coming". Methinks Sean Bean should make a guest appearance. I mean...he'd just end up getting killed anyway.

Lol, it would be a nice change to let him live no? 

[Dutchess]

Melrache wrote...

Laamaa wrote...

I suppose so... Still sounds kind of hollow to me.. Ah well, it's just a tv-show I guess. 

Otherwise this season does seem to be a little better at least than the last. I don't tihnk it'll reach the same level as season 1 & the prequel though

Yeah, but at least it offers some entertainment, though knowing how different Crassus is and how these kind of things usually pan out, you can roughly guess how the plotline will go. It's sad, but I guess it's Spartacus' turn to underestimate his enemy followed by heroic but costly recovery near the end of the season. <_<

You guys do know that Spartacus and his his army of slaves actually existed? I don't mean to offend, just checking. According to wikipedia (I know, not the most reliable source, but it'll do for a summmary) Spartacus escaped with about 70 people (in the show there seem to be less) and eventually he had an army of 70,000 ex-slaves. They defeated two Roman legions, so apparently they were more or less as successful as portrayed in the show. Of course the show is exaggerating things, but the core remains true.

[Milan92]

I agree that Spartacus & co are overpowered sometimes. I mean, they never really get hit and all that. But its also basically what the show is about. The combat in this show is never really meant to be taken seriously (hence the over the topness).

I do really like Crassus even though its been the first episode so far. He is the only roman shown with a sense of honor. I'm really curious what they will do with Ceasar.

[deuce985]

I'm a big fan of the series and I agree with your post OP. I did not like last season at all. This season is already off to a great start.

[Capt. Obvious]

Anyone else seen the new episode?

Modifié par Capt. Obvious, 03 février 2013 - 02:09 .

[Dutchess]

I did. Great action again. And what a slaughter. It was to be expected that innocents would get hurt in this as well.

I must say I'm a bit confused by the casting of Ceasar. I mean... blond?

[LTD]

Bit of a love/hate relationship is taking shape here. Quintus Batiatus is a BRILLIANT CHARACTER! Love him, love the actor.  Greatest highly flawed endlessly ambitious oddly resourceful crazy rage monkey since Tony Montana. Watching his downward spiral  during prequel season/1st season was GREAT FUN.

It's just that not unlike first date with Jupiter where he gives a soft kiss only to spread cheeks apart and ram **** inside ass  without warning, pleasantries end there. During 1st season,  Spartacus occasionally had some promise of entertaining conflicts within the man. 10/12 episodes through 2nd season and he has devolved into this incredibly boring image of a perfect super hero of some 60's Marvel comic or some such. Combine this lack of anything interesting going within the man to 200 meters thick protected-by-plot armor til the Grand Event and you get one black hole of entertainment.    Generally speaking all the  gladiators and their LI attachments suck and should die asap, it'd make the show better. Though the completely inevitable sheer amount of pompous sugary waaahwaaahing when Romans finally kindly curcify spartacus' boring stainless  ass too terrifies me. Right here, right now I'd like to place a bet on it taking AT LEAST 3 post- cucification episodes for Spartacus to die. LI attachment sits there sobbing, we get some wife flashbacks, " I die..a ...free man..gnhhh" contemplations, and at least 30 mins of slow-mo imagery of oiled Crixus man hugging him and calling him brother. 

The good Doctore is great tho. The actor makes extremely impressive and commanding sight. Born in the role really.

Raawr surely Initiually I looke like a muscular pile of meat but happens so I  love this woman madly and this love and related&inevitable vengance machinations completely dominates my life and decisions  One dude..after another..after another after another. Mandatory part of every  "good guy"male lead in this series.  Slaves of love the lot of em
NEVER GETS OLD

Generally speaking I just love the numbing amount of decadence, violence  and depreavity going on. Human life not being worth much is if one isn't of right birth and status is...very present in everything.  It is rare for a tv show or a movie to manage such strong portrayal of otherness of morals.  It is bit of a shame how literally every single Roman is evil basterd because of these things. It'd be nice to have a few in the mix who are actuall pretty good guys despite these things.  Prequel season had a lot of that going. Seasons 1 and 2..not at all.

 I've only seen prequel, 1st season and 8/10 (or was it 10/12) of season 2  so any potential future awesomeness(resurrected Batiatus riding World is yours -zeppelin and killing them slaves below  with a crossbow) I have yet to see

Modifié par LTD, 03 février 2013 - 09:12 .

[Capt. Obvious]

renjility wrote...

I did. Great action again. And what a slaughter. It was to be expected that innocents would get hurt in this as well.

I must say I'm a bit confused by the casting of Ceasar. I mean... blond?

I'm more confused at what that slave with the knife was doing to Caesar's wang.

[Dutchess]

Capt. Obvious wrote...

renjility wrote...

I did. Great action again. And what a slaughter. It was to be expected that innocents would get hurt in this as well.

I must say I'm a bit confused by the casting of Ceasar. I mean... blond?

I'm more confused at what that slave with the knife was doing to Caesar's wang.

LOL, I was confused about that too. I thought she was going to cut it off.

[Capt. Obvious]

renjility wrote...

Capt. Obvious wrote...

renjility wrote...

I did. Great action again. And what a slaughter. It was to be expected that innocents would get hurt in this as well.

I must say I'm a bit confused by the casting of Ceasar. I mean... blond?

I'm more confused at what that slave with the knife was doing to Caesar's wang.

LOL, I was confused about that too. I thought she was going to cut it off.

I have two guesses:

1) Caesar is a masochist and gets off on that stuff.

2) Caesar has an STD and made his slave cut off the worts.

Either way, pretty ****ing creepy.

Modifié par Capt. Obvious, 03 février 2013 - 05:36 .

[LTD]

I too assumed it was either something or other having to do with an STD. That or some... less than modern blood letting related 'treatment' for epilepsy.  I find latter much more likely but idea of Caesar lording and whoring about with some STD ravaged mutilated monstrer cawk is much more entertaining:D

Been really enjoying 3rd season so far. Marcus Crassus is taking shape nicely. Ultimately he makes yet another power hungry schemer. That much is a bit disappointing; there's a massive OD on such Romans on the show as it is.  Other than that,  they've surely cooled him up sufficiently.

Modifié par LTD, 04 février 2013 - 04:25 .

[happy_daiz]

I liked that episode, although I was a little sad that Spartacus was the one to go through with killing Laeta's husband. I kinda thought he'd let him live. Naive, I know.

That scene with Caesar was definitely uncomfortable. I hope we don't actually find out what all that was about, tbh.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 04 février 2013 - 04:27 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Oh it's out already?

I don't think I'll enjoy it as much without Ashur, damn I loved that character. They could have built him up as the ultimate schemer in Season 3 but killed him in Season 2 in such a pathetic manner.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 04 février 2013 - 05:04 .

[Capt. Obvious]

Finished watching the third episode. A couple thoughts on it:


-I really like the shades of grey that have been revealed in this episode. The whole city populace is being kept prisoner. Romans are forced to fight for loaves of bread. On top of it, Sparty is consorting with pirates. They definitely aren't a merry band of freedom fighters. If anything, they're more like the enemy they seek to destroy.

-While Tiberius was annoying in the previous two episodes, he's a lot more sympathetic this time around. He's really just an inseure boy trying to attain approval from his dad yet he fails at doing so. He gets talked down by Caesar in front of everyone and he loses a battle with Spartacus near the end of the episode. However, both occasions do show that Tiberius has courage. He shuts Caesar up when he starts talking **** about him and refuses to retreat even when he suffers a wound to his side. In fact, he has to be dragged back by his friend.

-My like for Gannicus continues to increase. Seriously, he's one of the few people in the show that are morally-correct(Spartacus included). I especially like how he refuses to **** the dark-haired girl and tell her when they are both alone to stay away from people like him. It shows that he really cares and that he has restraint.

-Naevia is getting on my nerves but I understand why she's acting the way she is: she's a broken human being.

-Something tells me that Agron's over-protectiveness of Nasir will be his undoing.


Anywho, overall it was a pretty well-done episode. So far, this season has been stellar.

[Capt. Obvious]

On another note, I hope they make a Caesar spinoff.

[wsandista]

I enjoyed this last episode quite a bit. I think there will be some confrontation with Naviea in the future, she does seem to be a bit insane. Would like to see Crixus get a bit more character development though, Gannicus seems to be overtaking almost every rebel but Spartacus.

[Costin_Razvan]

-Naevia is getting on my nerves but I understand why she's acting the way she is: she's a broken human being.

She's been getting on my nerves since the pathetic death of Ashur, my favorite character by far. Now she's really pissing me off.

You live by the sword you die by the sword and she should hopefully meet her end soon.

[Alpha-Centuri]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

-Naevia is getting on my nerves but I understand why she's acting the way she is: she's a broken human being.

She's been getting on my nerves since the pathetic death of Ashur, my favorite character by far. Now she's really pissing me off.

You live by the sword you die by the sword and she should hopefully meet her end soon.

I liked the old actress for Naevia better too.

[happy_daiz]

^ I don't think you're alone in that, Alpha.

At the end of last season, I was rooting Naevia on with the Ashur deal, but she has really gone off the deep end. A growing respect has turned into distaste. I kinda hope she gets a spear through the eye, I'm sorry to say. Annoying crazy lady is annoying and crazy. And she's out for blood, whether people deserve it or not. It's a really bad combination all around.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 12 février 2013 - 07:28 .

[billy the squid]

happy_daiz wrote...

^ I don't think you're alone in that, Alpha.

At the end of last season, I was rooting Naevia on with the Ashur deal, but she has really gone off the deep end. A growing respect has turned into distaste. I kinda hope she gets a spear through the eye, I'm sorry to say. Annoying crazy lady is annoying and crazy. And she's out for blood, whether people deserve it or not. It's a really bad combination all around.

Crassus should poke a sword in her eye. The man is awesome. Why do I always end up liking the villains  Haha


Edit:

I'm also seeing a lot of the Gladiators are OP (sounds like a MP game ) Time for a history lesson people, gather round.









SPOLIERS! (Historical.)

Most of the initial Roman forces that we see in season 1 and 2 are not the legions, which we all know Rome to be famous for. Historically they are militia, raised from pesantry and possessing basic equipment. This takes place  before the reforms of Marius which places the Roman military on a firm professional army footing. Hence the uprising was largely successful against the peacemeal  Roman militias sent against them. 

The rebellion was finally crushed by Marcus Crassus and Pompey (his political rival and a challenger for the position of consol) Who mobilised Legions numbering some 30-40,000 men and although part of his force was defeated and fled in an initial skirmis, Crassus enacted the punishment of decimation, yes he was ruthless, before he defeated Spartacus soundly in another engagement, before crucifying every single surviving prisoner numbering thousands along the Aviun way leading to Rome.

SPOILERS END











So the defeat of the Romans is understandable even if the series tends to gloss over the fact that most are one step above a pesant rabble and they have yet to meet the true Roman military, lets see if they carry on the super man Spartacus and his band of heroes in underwear vs the Romans or they'll actually give the slaves a good kicking... which they should get.

Modifié par billy the squid, 12 février 2013 - 09:40 .

[Costin_Razvan]

This takes place before the reforms of Marius which places the Roman military on a firm professional army footing. Hence the uprising was largely successful against the peacemeal Roman militias sent against them.

You're very wrong on that acccount. The Marian Reforms took place in 107 BC and the Third Serville War started in 73 BC and ended in 71 BC.

About Spartacus fighting miltias and not Legions. Well actually in first episode of the third season they were fighting the Legions and not the miltia, not the best Legions mind you since those were on the borders but certainly not the militia Glaber had either.

Historically Crixus should be dead by this point but we'll see how long he survives.

EDIT: I also wouldn't give Pompei any real credit to crushing the rebellion. It was Crassus who defeated Spartacus's army in open battle.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 12 février 2013 - 10:02 .

[billy the squid]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

This takes place before the reforms of Marius which places the Roman military on a firm professional army footing. Hence the uprising was largely successful against the peacemeal Roman militias sent against them.

You're very wrong on that acccount. The Marian Reforms took place in 107 and the Third Serville War started in 73 BC and ended in 71 BC.

About Spartacus fighting miltias and not Legions. Well actually in first episode of the third season they were fighting the Legions and not the miltia, not the best Legions mind you since those were on the borders but certainly not the militia Glaber had either.

Historically Crixus should be dead by this point but we'll see how long he survives.

EDIT: I also wouldn't give Pompei any real credit to crushing the rebellion. It was Crassus who defeated Spartacus's army in open battle.

My mistake, my ancient history is rather rusty when it comes to the chronology on the Marian reforms.

Yep, I only said the first 2 seasons, by season 3 they have to have been at the point when the slaves defeated 2 consular legions dispatched by the senate, as only after that was Crassus engaged to crush the rebellion. 

Pompei was engaged in mopping up operations afterwards, but I wish they would have deal with the political rivalry of Pompei and Crassus, which was taking place at roughly the same time as well as the rise of Ceaser under the patronage of Crassus. Fingers crossed, but I don't know how much we'll see of the intreagues of the Senate and the dilike of Crassus by the political classes, due to his dubious acquisition of wealth.

Modifié par billy the squid, 12 février 2013 - 10:07 .