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[Eterna]

PKchu wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Correction, the BSN is still unsatisfied. Don't you get it yet? You're too small of a group for them to care about catering too anymore. 

I don't honestly wish bad things or sales on anyone, but you don't become a viral "ending is bad" meme to the level of Mass Effect 3's without doing serious damage to your brand. On a personal level, mentioning Mass Effect to random strangers who aren't gamers typically elicits a "Mass Effect? That's the game with the bad ending." 

There might not be enough people to care to "cater" to because they've lost a ton of customers because they lost their appetite for the series or simply don't care about it anymore. Most people have probably moved onto other things that aren't Mass Effect. 

Hell - who still buys single player DLCs a year after release? Probably fans who are still invested in the series.

The proof will be in the pudding - interest and sales of Mass Effect 4 will show if people really meant it or were right about the conclusion and future of Mass Effect being permanently tainted.

Either way, I agree with you in some way - I am not the audience for Mass Effect anymore nor am I being "catered to," nor do I demand or expect Bioware to appease me. They have a different audience now with different vision. Good luck - no hard feelings on my end. 

Normally I'd agree with you, but you're wrong simply because of the peoples choice awards ME3 has won. 

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

xrudix wrote...
they can't change endings, even if they wanted, cause a lot of reasons:

Even if you live in a world where pipe dreams come true, EMS scenes/races weren't ever going to be added in. A slightly realistic option would have been some kind of silly add-on that unlocked a successful refuse or 30 second epilogue after they found Shepard with a hug or something. 

Anything else like a total rehaul would have costed way too much money or time. 

And I'm aware Jessica is just a PR person, but they exist for a reason and her posts there is also the same kind of trend and attitude you get at Bioware from large. 

There's nothing wrong with that, there's just friction between what (a debated number) of people who like Mass Effect wanted and what Bioware wants to do. I sort of just wish they would consistently present it that way to us, not "listening," but we have ideas we like and we're gonna share them. Not listening to us. Their brains creating things to offer to us. Because that's what they do when they actually release stuff - they believe in the ending and their product. So keep it that way when you're trying to promote it and not go "take back earth" on us.

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"Normally I'd agree with you, but you're wrong simply because of the peoples choice awards ME3 has won. "

I'd be curious to see the number of people who voted and by what margins ME3 won, but it's true I don't have market research or something.

I doubt a lot of people feel the way the BSN does, but you have to remember most people are just going to drift into apathy after awhile.

Bioware knows market research, I don't, we'll find out and like I said before, I don't wish them any bad luck or have any real resentment toward them. I just don't think I am their audience anymore, which is too bad for me on a personal level and not much else.

Modifié par PKchu, 07 février 2013 - 06:49 .

[hiraeth]

dreman9999 wrote...

Fuzrum77 wrote...

1.) Retake ME3 raising 75 K + for a children's charity (and who knows how much more if the Penny Arcade dbags hadn't cut it off)

2.) Practically every other thread in this forum relating to the endings STILL after nearly a year has passed.

3.) How quickly ME3 dropped in price.

4.) The gaming articles (Forbes, etc.)

5.) How everyone I know, and everyone -they- know despises the ending.

6.) The Extended Cut

7.) The Doctors retiring from gaming. (May not be wholly involved, but I suspect so.)

Yeah. It's kind of a big deal.

* P.S. I'm not saying any of this is good or bad. I'm just commenting on the ramifications of this game's ending. In particular I'm saddened by the Doctors retiring and the toxic behavior of some of the "re-takers." But regardless: you can't say this wasn't a big deal. To some degree, this will haunt Bioware forever.

1.You totaly missunderstand that case.
2.That just mean people still did not get over it.
3.ME1 and ME2 also quickly dropped in price. As well asdragon age :origins and DA2.
4.So?
5.AKA original ending.
6. Which fixed it...You point?

And with all those issue they stil won a bunch of awards and peopel choice awards.

I know I can only speak for myself, but the EC fixed nothing. It slapped in a few cinematic stills so that people who wanted pictures of squadmates as sufficient closure would be appeased. For me personally, I don't care that Samara is sitting on a ledge with her daughter, or that there was some logic to how Joker escaped Earth. I had assumed that the galaxy would rebuild based on the original ending (given that at least part of the Normandy crew survived). At the end of everthing, I still have to face a reaper child talking me in nonsensical circles and Shepard's body being left in a pile of rubble.

[Fuzrum77]

Eterna5 wrote...


That was because you guys created such a toxic environment for everyone. 

Whether we disagree or not, please don't do that. Don't lump me in to the minority, loud as they may have been, of re-takers who certainly don't speak for all of us.

And I think I may have misunderstood what you were saying. I think I'm arguing as whole the ending debacle was a big deal and you're talking only afer the extended cut. It think that's still debatable, but I was just shocked to see someone saying the ending fiasco was no big thing. Anyway. Moving on.

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

"I don't care that Samara is sitting on a ledge with her daughter, or that there was some logic to how Joker escaped Earth. I had assumed that the galaxy would rebuild based on the original ending (given that at least part of the Normandy crew survived). At the end of everthing, I still have to face a reaper child talking me in nonsensical circles and Shepard's body being left in a pile of rubble."

That's the weirdest thing about that sequence for me - it has tons of closure for minor characters, but Shepard and the most important characters' fates are ignored. Samara, Zaeed, etc's fates are secondary concerns that become questions when the biggest, primary concerns are answered in terms of what happened to the main characters. It's so unsatisfying.

...It's not going to ever happen so it's a moot point, but it's so weirdly executed.

Modifié par PKchu, 07 février 2013 - 07:10 .

[Eterna]

PKchu wrote...

"Normally I'd agree with you, but you're wrong simply because of the peoples choice awards ME3 has won. "

I'd be curious to see the number of people who voted and by what margins ME3 won, but it's true I don't have market research or something.

I doubt a lot of people feel the way the BSN does, but you have to remember most people are just going to drift into apathy after awhile.

Bioware knows market research, I don't, we'll find out and like I said before, I don't wish them any bad luck or have any real resentment toward them. I just don't think I am their audience anymore, which is too bad for me on a personal level and not much else.

Some of the awards I found that have numbers. 

http://stevivor.com/...-the-year-2012/

http://www.vidaextra...a-mass-effect-3

http://www.escapistm...tm_campaign=all


Also ME3 didn't win this one, but it only lost by 200 votes: http://www.gamespot....ml?battle_id=63

Modifié par Eterna5, 07 février 2013 - 07:03 .

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

Stevivor lists ME3 winning with 167 votes over Halo 4's 160.

The Ecapist one has ME3 winning with a very small plurality in an extremely contested poll - 13% is a pretty low "highest winning number."

The one in Spanish is a clear win for ME3, but it doesn't even hit 1000 votes for ME3.

Those seem like minor, small publications to me to be honest.

Modifié par PKchu, 07 février 2013 - 07:06 .

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

Besides - I actually already purchased the Bioware points for this next DLC.

So hopefully it's good, regardless of the ending we already knew wasn't gonna change.

I do like casino settings.

Modifié par PKchu, 07 février 2013 - 07:09 .

[Tipsyfresh]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I go to a meeting and, while my back is turned, they post images from upcoming DLC?

Hmm... I should go to more meetings.

you have made me laugh twice now=]

you may soon be redeemed:bandit:

[MrStrider75]

PKchu wrote...

"I don't care that Samara is sitting on a ledge with her daughter, or that there was some logic to how Joker escaped Earth. I had assumed that the galaxy would rebuild based on the original ending (given that at least part of the Normandy crew survived). At the end of everthing, I still have to face a reaper child talking me in nonsensical circles and Shepard's body being left in a pile of rubble."

That's the weridest thing about that sequence for me - it has tons of closure for minor characters, but Shepard and the most important characters' fates are ignored. Samara, Zaeed, etc's fates are secondary concerns that become questions when the biggest, primary concerns are answered in terms of what happened to the main characters. It's so unsatisfying.

...It's not going to ever happen so it's a moot point, but it's so weirdly executed.

Bingo and agreed.

[BuckDizzle23]

I traded in my copy of ME3 immediately after finishing and discovering the terrible ending, the brand is tarnished for me for life, and wouldn't DREAM of ever buying DLC or any future Bioware games. I don't care one bit about this announcement.

People claiming there is no fallout from this are just wrong. How many people out there are like me? Only time will tell, I suppose.

[CronoDragoon]

MassEffectFShep wrote...

I know I can only speak for myself, but the EC fixed nothing. It slapped in a few cinematic stills so that people who wanted pictures of squadmates as sufficient closure would be appeased. For me personally, I don't care that Samara is sitting on a ledge with her daughter, or that there was some logic to how Joker escaped Earth. I had assumed that the galaxy would rebuild based on the original ending (given that at least part of the Normandy crew survived). At the end of everthing, I still have to face a reaper child talking me in nonsensical circles and Shepard's body being left in a pile of rubble.

You don't care that instead of the relays being completely destroyed they are only damaged and can be quickly repaired, per the Catalyst's new dialogue lines? That may save millions of lives, you know.

Instead of saying the EC fixed nothing, which is obviously untrue, you could easily say that it didn't fix the problems that bothered you the most. That is completely fair.

[nrobbiec]

BuckDizzle23 wrote...
How many people out there are like me?

Damn few, and they're all dead.

[clarkusdarkus]

ZacTB wrote...

BuckDizzle23 wrote...

I traded in my copy of ME3 immediately after finishing and discovering the terrible ending, the brand is tarnished for me for life, and wouldn't DREAM of ever buying DLC or any future Bioware games. I don't care one bit about this announcement.

People claiming there is no fallout from this are just wrong. How many people out there are like me? Only time will tell, I suppose.

Then why are you still here on a Mass Effect 3 forum? It's almost been 11 months now, get over it. 

But yeah I loved Extended Cut, fixed pretty much everything for me about the ending. Mass Effect 3 still has faults, mainly because it feels very rushed especially compared to 1 and 2, but I like the ending. 

" Get over it " Well arent we the voice of reason, Look smartarse he still bought the game brand new hence the icon under his avatar, He has every right to trade his game and still comment on it, I'm pretty sure he would buy it again if they sorted the ending out. More importantly why are you not playing the game then like we would if we liked it?

Modifié par clarkusdarkus, 07 février 2013 - 07:53 .

[MattFini]

People's choice awards.

When a small population of a site's traffic vote on some nonsense poll.

[Paladin14]

I think the main point that plagues these forums are the fact that people think they are 'Entitled' to what they demand out of this game. That the makers of this game need to give up their own ideas and concepts to cater to what a group of people who never get along demand. I saw much of this since I've joined the military: peoples opinions on what it should be being skewed. Most people expect it to be all fun and games but they learn fast once they're lint rolling peoples body hair off the ground of the latrine, so what do they do? Complain.

We have a severity of this problem here too, because one person plants the idea and everyone else follows. I personally didn't mind the endings after the DLC. I take things at face value when Bioware says it. I still enjoy their games. SWTOR and ME3 are two games I still play today. I generally avoid these forums because of the immense amount of complaining but I've been checking in again for the new DLC. Thats the thing about anonymity on the internet, these people can say things like 'Omg ur wrong biowure shud hav dun this' and go to sleep not caring what someone else says to their opinion.

In the words of Obi-Wan Kenobi (slightly modified) "Bioware Social Network, You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy"

[wright1978]

CronoDragoon wrote...


You don't care that instead of the relays being completely destroyed they are only damaged and can be quickly repaired, per the Catalyst's new dialogue lines? That may save millions of lives, you know.

Instead of saying the EC fixed nothing, which is obviously untrue, you could easily say that it didn't fix the problems that bothered you the most. That is completely fair.

I agree on that. EC did deal with some problems but it didn't deal with the cancer that is the catalyst, or integrate the endings into the story, or provide clarification/closure for all endings.

[hiraeth]

CronoDragoon wrote...

MassEffectFShep wrote...

I know I can only speak for myself, but the EC fixed nothing. It slapped in a few cinematic stills so that people who wanted pictures of squadmates as sufficient closure would be appeased. For me personally, I don't care that Samara is sitting on a ledge with her daughter, or that there was some logic to how Joker escaped Earth. I had assumed that the galaxy would rebuild based on the original ending (given that at least part of the Normandy crew survived). At the end of everthing, I still have to face a reaper child talking me in nonsensical circles and Shepard's body being left in a pile of rubble.

You don't care that instead of the relays being completely destroyed they are only damaged and can be quickly repaired, per the Catalyst's new dialogue lines? That may save millions of lives, you know.

Instead of saying the EC fixed nothing, which is obviously untrue, you could easily say that it didn't fix the problems that bothered you the most. That is completely fair.

Fair enough, I mean the EC changed nothing important (to me). Omitting the relays exploding is actually annoying, because that's technically a change (vs. an expansion) which BW said they wouldn't do...same with adding the refusal option. But I suppose you're right, it did do *something* for someone out there, just not enough to seem like any sort of meaningful change to me.

[Maxster_]

BuckDizzle23 wrote...

I traded in my copy of ME3 immediately after finishing and discovering the terrible ending, the brand is tarnished for me for life, and wouldn't DREAM of ever buying DLC or any future Bioware games. I don't care one bit about this announcement.

People claiming there is no fallout from this are just wrong. How many people out there are like me? Only time will tell, I suppose.

Actually a lot.
I'm not going to buy anything from EAWare ever again, i haven't bought DLCs except from Ashes.
But, i still own the disks, as a reminder of my stupidity. I should had read user reviews...
Not that i'm going to ever play ME3 again, and most probably none of ME series games also.

[clarkusdarkus]

simfamSP wrote...

" Get over it " Well arent we the voice of reason,

And this is coming from the Thomas Covenant of the forums...

Care to elaborate? Fantasy novels aren't my forte

[MattFini]

Maxster_ wrote...

BuckDizzle23 wrote...

I traded in my copy of ME3 immediately after finishing and discovering the terrible ending, the brand is tarnished for me for life, and wouldn't DREAM of ever buying DLC or any future Bioware games. I don't care one bit about this announcement.

People claiming there is no fallout from this are just wrong. How many people out there are like me? Only time will tell, I suppose.

Actually a lot.
I'm not going to buy anything from EAWare ever again, i haven't bought DLCs except from Ashes.
But, i still own the disks, as a reminder of my stupidity. I should had read user reviews...
Not that i'm going to ever play ME3 again, and most probably none of ME series games also.

I'm a sucker for the series and, for the most part, I DO enjoy BioWare's content (Pinnacle Station and, to a lesser extent, Omega aside). 

So I WILL likely get this DLC unless it turns out to be a complete piece of junk (not saying it will be, in fact I'm kinda excited about it).

But most of the people I know in my personal life have washed their hands of ME3. I'm not saying this is representative of any larger group but I did find it interesting. Especially when they all bought every piece of ME2-related DLC. 

But even they all said they'll be back for the next game, so go figure.