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[Vic7im]

Little OT, but I'm puzzled.

They said they won't be adding endings which is fine.

But, correct if I'm wrong, did they say that they won't be expanding the actual endings we've got?

Modifié par Vic7im, 12 février 2013 - 09:55 .

[Dean_the_Young]

A_Pissed_Iguana wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

A_Pissed_Iguana wrote...


The thing I don't understand about this is, how is "we are listening" and "we are no longer working on the ending DLCs" not counter-statements? You can't say that.

You can't?

Haven't you ever heard the line about how God hears all prayers, but sometimes the answer is "no"?

Thank you for entirely missing my point on purpose. I will not allow this to become a religious debate, but the short version: no you cannot say you are listening and trying your best to address all complaints and say that you are not editing the biggest complaints the people have with the game.

Fortunately, Bioware never said they were going to address all complaints. They made clear pretty early on that the EC was going to work on things within the scope of their intended vision of the endings.

Your quote does apply to the ending in the terms of writing and material. That is what they chose to write, and they have that right. Then never promised that the ending wouldn't be this way (minus the famous ABC quote), so that is not necessarily the issue. And, like i said and I think you missed, they cannot please everyone so they have to say no after the extended cut.

The famous A,B,C quote is famously taken out of context in the first place.

However, they promised their fans that there would be verrrryyyy different scenerios depending on your choices from the second and first games,

Not really: branching narratives were never a claim.

and they are not even present for the most part. It is an issue that they can still fix, somewhat, without affecting the ending too much, but they don't do it. Despite it being one of the top three complaints with the game...

'The ending' isn't one of the top three complaints of the game, because the fanbase never agreed what was wrong with the ending in the first place. People had differing views

[L2 Sentinel]

SirLugash wrote...

Rauhel wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

It could also be the Yahg

The yahg already exist in the game. Why would a new yahg character prompt NSFW pictures? I guess if she is female, since we haven't seen one yet. Female anything is more likely to get NSFW art done...

Maybe we are getting a female krogan squad member. I'm starting to think that the krogan with the grav-hammer is actually a teaser for SP, and it's a lady. She joins the squad, making her more likely to receive NSFW fanart than Eve. A female krogon would terrify Weekes...

Krogan female is highly unlikely imo.
Eve was the first female Krogan to be seen and resolved a mystery in the IP, adding another female Krogan would result in Eve not having as much of an impact in the story.

She is pretending to be a man. She signed up for the war so her aging father wouldn't have to fight. She set out to save her father, but she ended up saving all of China Tuchanka!

I don't agree that the existence of another female krogan character would reduce Eve's impact at all. Eve is the key to finding a cure to the genophage. A random infertile female would not change that. Eve is still vital to the Tuchanka story arc. Once the genophage is cured/sabotaged, Eve ceases to be relevant outside of her role as a leader. Again, the existence of another female krogan character does not influence that.

And I'm certain the first picture is for MP. I was just joking around. My leading theory is still that there is romance in this DLC. The introduction of a new character/species/enemy is only my backup theory. Still, a female krogan would be pretty cool as a squadmate imo.

(It may seem pointless, but wild speculation helps me pass the time while waiting for actual news. I'm not setting myself up for disappointent. I am aware that none of these things are promised.)

[Brhino]

Vic7im wrote...

Little OT, but I'm puzzled.

They said they won't be adding endings which is fine.

But, correct if I'm wrong, did they say that they won't be expanding the actual endings we've got?

They are "DONE WITH THE ENDINGS".

They are not changing, modifying, expanding, altering, or supplementing the endings in any way.  They're not adding choices, modifying cinematics, adding slides to the slide show, providing further clarification, or ANYTHING.  People keep looking for loopholes in the statement everyone at bioware keeps making, but there aren't any.  DONE. WITH. ENDINGS.*


*unless they're lying...

[TheRevanchist]

Brhino wrote...

Vic7im wrote...

Little OT, but I'm puzzled.

They said they won't be adding endings which is fine.

But, correct if I'm wrong, did they say that they won't be expanding the actual endings we've got?

They are "DONE WITH THE ENDINGS".

They are not changing, modifying, expanding, altering, or supplementing the endings in any way.  They're not adding choices, modifying cinematics, adding slides to the slide show, providing further clarification, or ANYTHING.  People keep looking for loopholes in the statement everyone at bioware keeps making, but there aren't any.  DONE. WITH. ENDINGS.*


*unless they're lying...

You mean like how their pre-release marketing was mostly bold faced lies?

[Sheffstar007]

Whats the point of them releasing the dlc when we already no what happens? unless the DLC actually does something to change the story doubt many people will be interested in getting it.

[skiadopsendow]

Not modifying the endings, seems to me that they're not going to touch the extended cut material... That doesn't mean they're not going to add new stuff after that, like they did with Arrival in ME2

I'm not saying that the next dlc contains stuff that is set after the extended cut endings, just saying it could be possible for them, to do it

Anyways, personally, i don't know what to expect, didnt buy omega

[A_Pissed_Iguana]

Not really: branching narratives were never a claim.

oh rly?
Interesting.
Were these "taken out of context" as well? Every single one of them?

I am not here to start a debate about the ending. I do not mind the ending. It was okay. Not nearly up to par with the rest of the series, but it was okay (AFTER the extended cut). I will forever be disappointed with the effects of my choices though...
The only choice that really makes a huge difference that you see in the game (and not in a motion comic added later on) is the final choice that you make with the crucible.
This is why I stand by my quote about pricing and the DLCs...

To say that they are "listening" and then pump out another pointless single-player DLC that only adds more dramatic, large events that somehow end up having no baring on the story (by the end of it and leave a nice, clean, reinsertion into the main story) just makes it seem like their statements are for PR purposes only. Especially considering the price for how short they are. If you expect me to buy the DLCs, for that price they should integrate into the overall story. For the DLCs' stories to be a separate, side-story to enjoy, they should be priced accordingly. when the main game is now $40 American (roughly) and they charge 800 points ($10 American) for something that is about 5% as long as the overall game, that just seems...silly. No?
And yes, I am thoroughly prepared to get flamed for this, but I just thought I would share my thoughts.

[Brhino]

But ME2 was already set up to allow play after the conclusion of the main plot from the get-go. ME3 is not. Not to mention they'd have to take into account the wide variety of possible states the galaxy (and Shepard) is in. Not going to happen.

[blah64]

Brhino wrote...

But ME2 was already set up to allow play after the conclusion of the main plot from the get-go. ME3 is not. Not to mention they'd have to take into account the wide variety of possible states the galaxy (and Shepard) is in. Not going to happen.

It should've. That is what we were promised. A branching story tailored to our shepards.

[A_Pissed_Iguana]

blah64 wrote...

Brhino wrote...

But ME2 was already set up to allow play after the conclusion of the main plot from the get-go. ME3 is not. Not to mention they'd have to take into account the wide variety of possible states the galaxy (and Shepard) is in. Not going to happen.

It should've. That is what we were promised. A branching story tailored to our shepards.

I agree. but apparently the branching endings promise was forgotten....

Dean_the_Young wrote...

A_Pissed_Iguana wrote...

Your quote does apply to the ending in the terms of writing and material. That is what they chose to write, and they have that right. Then never promised that the ending wouldn't be this way (minus the famous ABC quote), so that is not necessarily the issue. And, like i said and I think you missed, they cannot please everyone so they have to say no after the extended cut. 

The famous A,B,C quote is famously taken out of context in the first place.

However, they promised their fans that there would be verrrryyyy different scenerios depending on your choices from the second and first games,

Not really: branching narratives were never a claim.

According to this guy, apparently we pulled that out of thin air. Don't worry I corrected him though.

A_Pissed_Iguana wrote...

Not really: branching narratives were never a claim.

oh rly?
Interesting.
Were these "taken out of context" as well? Every single one of them?

I am not here to start a debate about the ending. I do not mind the ending. It was okay. Not nearly up to par with the rest of the series, but it was okay (AFTER the extended cut). I will forever be disappointed with the effects of my choices though...
The only choice that really makes a huge difference that you see in the game (and not in a motion comic added later on) is the final choice that you make with the crucible.
This is why I stand by my quote about pricing and the DLCs...

To say that they are "listening" and then pump out another pointless single-player DLC that only adds more dramatic, large events that somehow end up having no baring on the story (by the end of it and leave a nice, clean, reinsertion into the main story) just makes it seem like their statements are for PR purposes only. Especially considering the price for how short they are. If you expect me to buy the DLCs, for that price they should integrate into the overall story. For the DLCs' stories to be a separate, side-story to enjoy, they should be priced accordingly. when the main game is now $40 American (roughly) and they charge 800 points ($10 American) for something that is about 5% as long as the overall game, that just seems...silly. No?
And yes, I am thoroughly prepared to get flamed for this, but I just thought I would share my thoughts.

[Reth Shepherd]

A_Pissed_Iguana wrote...

To say that they are "listening" and then pump out another pointless single-player DLC that only adds more dramatic, large events that somehow end up having no baring on the story (by the end of it and leave a nice, clean, reinsertion into the main story) just makes it seem like their statements are for PR purposes only. Especially considering the price for how short they are. If you expect me to buy the DLCs, for that price they should integrate into the overall story. For the DLCs' stories to be a separate, side-story to enjoy, they should be priced accordingly. when the main game is now $40 American (roughly) and they charge 800 points ($10 American) for something that is about 5% as long as the overall game, that just seems...silly. No?
And yes, I am thoroughly prepared to get flamed for this, but I just thought I would share my thoughts.
I bought the DLCs regardless because I had the points, but my reasoning behind feeling overcharged and disappointed still stand...

Correction: one can purchase the entire game brand new for $20. (Look up Gamestop's website.) Also, no offense, but why buy the DLCS just because "I had the points"? Wouldn't it make more sense to hang on to that $10 until you find something that would give you a better value for your money?

[Garrulous]

Listening could mean a load of small additions. Bioware haven't said this is a giant special dlc. When they say all the writers are involved, it could just mean what chris said - they are listening to complaints about lack of squad chatter, so the writers were all brought back to add that to it. Could be more to it than that but I'm trying out pessimism for a while to see if that helps with my rampant expectation levels. 

Modifié par Garrulous, 12 février 2013 - 06:53 .

[MattFini]

^ Assuming this is the final DLC and, therefore, the LAST piece of SP content for Commander Shepard and co., I would assume that Biower would make this as "special" as posisble.

[ryn_wolf]

MattFini wrote...

^ Assuming this is the final DLC and, therefore, the LAST piece of SP content for Commander Shepard and co., I would assume that Biower would make this as "special" as posisble.

one can hope I loved the leviathan dlc but the omega dlc was a disappointment so i hope this next dlc is epic...fingers crossed:unsure:

[MattFini]

ryn_wolf wrote...

MattFini wrote...

^ Assuming this is the final DLC and, therefore, the LAST piece of SP content for Commander Shepard and co., I would assume that Biower would make this as "special" as posisble.

one can hope I loved the leviathan dlc but the omega dlc was a disappointment so i hope this next dlc is epic...fingers crossed:unsure:

Regardless of WHERE it's set in the game's timeline, I have a feeling it's going to be satisfying.

My instinct is the exact opposite of how I felt in the final week leading up to the Omega announcement.

[A_Pissed_Iguana]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

A_Pissed_Iguana wrote...

To say that they are "listening" and then pump out another pointless single-player DLC that only adds more dramatic, large events that somehow end up having no baring on the story (by the end of it and leave a nice, clean, reinsertion into the main story) just makes it seem like their statements are for PR purposes only. Especially considering the price for how short they are. If you expect me to buy the DLCs, for that price they should integrate into the overall story. For the DLCs' stories to be a separate, side-story to enjoy, they should be priced accordingly. when the main game is now $40 American (roughly) and they charge 800 points ($10 American) for something that is about 5% as long as the overall game, that just seems...silly. No?
And yes, I am thoroughly prepared to get flamed for this, but I just thought I would share my thoughts.
I bought the DLCs regardless because I had the points, but my reasoning behind feeling overcharged and disappointed still stand...

Correction: one can purchase the entire game brand new for $20. (Look up Gamestop's website.) Also, no offense, but why buy the DLCS just because "I had the points"? Wouldn't it make more sense to hang on to that $10 until you find something that would give you a better value for your money?

no, you're right. I'm not really sure what I was thinking.
i should have waited for the reviews or something.
But the fact that it is now $20 just proves my point of the overpricing even more...

But I am just wondering how they could possibly create "a chance for tears" in a DLC that isn't connected in any lasting way to the already established characters?
does anyone else get what I mean?

Modifié par A_Pissed_Iguana, 12 février 2013 - 07:55 .

[CronoDragoon]

MattFini wrote...
Regardless of WHERE it's set in the game's timeline, I have a feeling it's going to be satisfying.

My instinct is the exact opposite of how I felt in the final week leading up to the Omega announcement.

So do I. There's quite the "squadmate" vibe with this DLC (as you said, contrary to Omega), that it will focus on the characters. I can't think of a better DLC to end with.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 12 février 2013 - 08:33 .

[MattFini]

CronoDragoon wrote...

MattFini wrote...
Regardless of WHERE it's set in the game's timeline, I have a feeling it's going to be satisfying.

My instinct is the exact opposite of how I felt in the final week leading up to the Omega announcement.

So do I. There's quite the "squadmate" vibe with this DLC (as you said, contrary to Omega), that it will focus on the characters. I can't think of a better DLC to end with.

Yeah. If they can manage to add in a little more ME2 cast content (not expecting them to be squaddies ... just around), I'd probably be completely satisfied.

[Shepard108278]

Sheffstar007 wrote...

Whats the point of them releasing the dlc when we already no what happens? unless the DLC actually does something to change the story doubt many people will be interested in getting it.

DOn't bet on it. There are those of us that enjoy the game ending included and will appreiciate anything that adds to the ME experience.

[Shepard108278]

A_Pissed_Iguana wrote...

Not really: branching narratives were never a claim.

oh rly?
Interesting.
Were these "taken out of context" as well? Every single one of them?

I am not here to start a debate about the ending. I do not mind the ending. It was okay. Not nearly up to par with the rest of the series, but it was okay (AFTER the extended cut). I will forever be disappointed with the effects of my choices though...
The only choice that really makes a huge difference that you see in the game (and not in a motion comic added later on) is the final choice that you make with the crucible.
This is why I stand by my quote about pricing and the DLCs...

To say that they are "listening" and then pump out another pointless single-player DLC that only adds more dramatic, large events that somehow end up having no baring on the story (by the end of it and leave a nice, clean, reinsertion into the main story) just makes it seem like their statements are for PR purposes only. Especially considering the price for how short they are. If you expect me to buy the DLCs, for that price they should integrate into the overall story. For the DLCs' stories to be a separate, side-story to enjoy, they should be priced accordingly. when the main game is now $40 American (roughly) and they charge 800 points ($10 American) for something that is about 5% as long as the overall game, that just seems...silly. No?
And yes, I am thoroughly prepared to get flamed for this, but I just thought I would share my thoughts.

I don't agree with any of this. I don't see lies in anything that you linked and I think the pricing and dlcs are fine.

[A_Pissed_Iguana]

Shepard108278 wrote...

A_Pissed_Iguana wrote...

Not really: branching narratives were never a claim.

oh rly?
Interesting.
Were these "taken out of context" as well? Every single one of them?

I am not here to start a debate about the ending. I do not mind the ending. It was okay. Not nearly up to par with the rest of the series, but it was okay (AFTER the extended cut). I will forever be disappointed with the effects of my choices though...
The only choice that really makes a huge difference that you see in the game (and not in a motion comic added later on) is the final choice that you make with the crucible.
This is why I stand by my quote about pricing and the DLCs...

To say that they are "listening" and then pump out another pointless single-player DLC that only adds more dramatic, large events that somehow end up having no baring on the story (by the end of it and leave a nice, clean, reinsertion into the main story) just makes it seem like their statements are for PR purposes only. Especially considering the price for how short they are. If you expect me to buy the DLCs, for that price they should integrate into the overall story. For the DLCs' stories to be a separate, side-story to enjoy, they should be priced accordingly. when the main game is now $40 American (roughly) and they charge 800 points ($10 American) for something that is about 5% as long as the overall game, that just seems...silly. No?
And yes, I am thoroughly prepared to get flamed for this, but I just thought I would share my thoughts.

I don't agree with any of this. I don't see lies in anything that you linked and I think the pricing and dlcs are fine.

My point= rationally explained and expressed as opinion.
You post= takes my point as if I was stating facts, with a reply of "no. you're wrong."
with no explanation to back your opinions.

[Shepard108278]

A_Pissed_Iguana wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

A_Pissed_Iguana wrote...

Not really: branching narratives were never a claim.

oh rly?
Interesting.
Were these "taken out of context" as well? Every single one of them?

I am not here to start a debate about the ending. I do not mind the ending. It was okay. Not nearly up to par with the rest of the series, but it was okay (AFTER the extended cut). I will forever be disappointed with the effects of my choices though...
The only choice that really makes a huge difference that you see in the game (and not in a motion comic added later on) is the final choice that you make with the crucible.
This is why I stand by my quote about pricing and the DLCs...

To say that they are "listening" and then pump out another pointless single-player DLC that only adds more dramatic, large events that somehow end up having no baring on the story (by the end of it and leave a nice, clean, reinsertion into the main story) just makes it seem like their statements are for PR purposes only. Especially considering the price for how short they are. If you expect me to buy the DLCs, for that price they should integrate into the overall story. For the DLCs' stories to be a separate, side-story to enjoy, they should be priced accordingly. when the main game is now $40 American (roughly) and they charge 800 points ($10 American) for something that is about 5% as long as the overall game, that just seems...silly. No?
And yes, I am thoroughly prepared to get flamed for this, but I just thought I would share my thoughts.

I don't agree with any of this. I don't see lies in anything that you linked and I think the pricing and dlcs are fine.

My point= rationally explained and expressed as opinion.
You post= takes my point as if I was stating facts, with a reply of "no. you're wrong."
with no explanation to back your opinions.

Fair enough but I've stated mine enough times that I'm tired of doing it. Bottom line is I feel we were not lied to and we got what was expected a great game with consequences, great story and great conclusion to the trillogy.

[alsonamedbort]

A_Pissed_Iguana wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

A_Pissed_Iguana wrote...

Not really: branching narratives were never a claim.

oh rly?
Interesting.
Were these "taken out of context" as well? Every single one of them?

I am not here to start a debate about the ending. I do not mind the ending. It was okay. Not nearly up to par with the rest of the series, but it was okay (AFTER the extended cut). I will forever be disappointed with the effects of my choices though...
The only choice that really makes a huge difference that you see in the game (and not in a motion comic added later on) is the final choice that you make with the crucible.
This is why I stand by my quote about pricing and the DLCs...

To say that they are "listening" and then pump out another pointless single-player DLC that only adds more dramatic, large events that somehow end up having no baring on the story (by the end of it and leave a nice, clean, reinsertion into the main story) just makes it seem like their statements are for PR purposes only. Especially considering the price for how short they are. If you expect me to buy the DLCs, for that price they should integrate into the overall story. For the DLCs' stories to be a separate, side-story to enjoy, they should be priced accordingly. when the main game is now $40 American (roughly) and they charge 800 points ($10 American) for something that is about 5% as long as the overall game, that just seems...silly. No?
And yes, I am thoroughly prepared to get flamed for this, but I just thought I would share my thoughts.

I don't agree with any of this. I don't see lies in anything that you linked and I think the pricing and dlcs are fine.

My point= rationally explained and expressed as opinion.
You post= takes my point as if I was stating facts, with a reply of "no. you're wrong."
with no explanation to back your opinions.

Where does this show that the post acted as though you stated facts?  Your opinion was just disagreed with.