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[Reth Shepherd]

Funkdrspot wrote...

]i perfectly understood those that had valid complaints about the ending, pre-EC. but since that point theyve only gotten more bitter and whiny. theyve tried too poo poo the franchise daily with the same trollish arguments and posts. i understand if you feel that the ending wasnt good enough but when do you come to the realization that hating on a forum isnt going to change it? its far past constructive criticism ad its whining now. its like the crazy lady in misery.

If a company stiffs you and blows you off, do you give up and accept that they scammed you out of your money? Or do you keep trying? (Please note that there is no right answer to this question. It's up to everyone to draw their own line.) I personally feel that EA is destroying a beloved company, and this is one way I can show them that their business practices won't be tolerated.

[Starscream723]

Oh well, I tried to talk about the DLC. At least we managed 13 posts on topic before people just started arguing and name-calling with each other again.

[Maxga]

Entitlement parade going on in here...

[PainCakesx]

Funkdrspot wrote...

So everyone who wants *one* option for a happier ending and closure is equivalent to "a Disney ending where he meets up with all the princesses?"

While people shouldn't be outright rude to BioWare because of the endings, that doesn't give people the right to be outright rude to people who voice their discontent. 

Oh hypocrisy. Haters whine day in and out, make the same threads over and over, shout down people who like the game, respond with the same catchphrases, act self-important and superior. when you call them out then they pretend that theyre some disenfranchised minority group, just simply asking for equality. the game is done. no amount of hate is going to give you a happy ending. they didnt want to end it that way. i personally would have liked a happy ending for a perfect game but it wasnt in the cards and i accept that. how do you build suspense if the main protagonist is never really in danger? thats why famous good guys eventually die. if you have 456 episodes of Spiderman dodging death, eventually dodging death becomes as suspensful as grocery shoping

Nobody ever asked for every ending to be happy - that's a strawman argument if I ever saw one.

And I have no idea how what I said I is "hypocritical." I've never claimed that my opinion was superior, and you have to be downright blind to not see that this uproar is more than just a bunch of bitter children. When you have a backlash this big, pretending that it's just a small minority is tantamount to sticking your head in the sand. 

There have been people here who just hate on things to do it, but tripe that I see people post similar to what you've posted here is no better. People have every right to voice their disapproval of a product they paid for. If you don't like it, well that's too damn bad.

Modifié par PainCakesx, 14 février 2013 - 08:33 .

[Mcfly616]

Maxga wrote...

Entitlement parade going on in here...

....should be some interesting floats

[Funkdrspot]

Zaizer wrote...

Whining about "whiners" ain't helping, brah.

i just went over this. Im complaining. when im doing it every day, making the same threads for 11 months straight you can call it whining. im at a 2 right now and theyre dialed up to a 8.5

[MattFini]

Have people's thoughts/attitude changed towards this next DLC?

Still hyped? Abandoned hope? Pessimistic? Optimistic?

Curious to hear where everyone is as we'll likely know more next week.

I'm still...excited.

[spirosz]

If I see a glimpse of new Jack material, colour me excited. All the DLC's have had subjectzero interest for me and I'm still putting no high expectations in Bioware. This DLC still is the deciding factor on if I'll buy the rest of the DLC.

Modifié par spirosz, 15 février 2013 - 03:16 .

[MattFini]

spirosz wrote...

If I see a glimpse of new Jack material, colour me excited.

i am right there with you.

although I keep thinking that won't happen. That way I might be pleasantly surprised.

[devSin]

MattFini wrote...

Have people's thoughts/attitude changed towards this next DLC?

Still hyped? Abandoned hope? Pessimistic? Optimistic?

I want to see what Dusty, John/Dave, Patrick/Jos, Cathleen, et al., have been up to, so in that sense, I'm still looking forward to checking out this one.

Modifié par devSin, 15 février 2013 - 03:46 .

[dreamgazer]

MattFini wrote...

Have people's thoughts/attitude changed towards this next DLC?

Still hyped? Abandoned hope? Pessimistic? Optimistic?

Still curious, still in for a purchase for nostalgia's sake---unless something turns me off between now and then. 

We'll see what hand BioWare's writers and composers deal for this year-after DLC. 

[HiddenInWar]

So since the DLC will be announced next week I'm super pumped. A week feels like eternity right now.

[Funkdrspot]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

]i perfectly understood those that had valid complaints about the ending, pre-EC. but since that point theyve only gotten more bitter and whiny. theyve tried too poo poo the franchise daily with the same trollish arguments and posts. i understand if you feel that the ending wasnt good enough but when do you come to the realization that hating on a forum isnt going to change it? its far past constructive criticism ad its whining now. its like the crazy lady in misery.

If a company stiffs you and blows you off, do you give up and accept that they scammed you out of your money? Or do you keep trying? (Please note that there is no right answer to this question. It's up to everyone to draw their own line.) I personally feel that EA is destroying a beloved company, and this is one way I can show them that their business practices won't be tolerated.

AAAaaaaaaaannd this is where you deserve the 'entitled' title.

Bioware did not stiff you, scam you, nor did they blow you off. You received a product where 5 min out of 30 hrs were hated. Everything else is 10/10. Hell, even the bad ending is almost overwhelmed by how good the end scene was between Anderson and Shepard. Going to your favorite restaurant and getting a surpisingly mediocre meal is worlds different than paying and getting nothing at all.

As far as blowing you off, People in this very forum were screaming their heads off for a way to tell the catalyst to eff off or to be able to shoot him as their answer. Bioware KNEW that the whiners would STILL whine and they were practicing scorched earth policy b/c they could not accept Shepard dying and it was a coping mechanism. They knew that vocal subset of their fans was asking for A but would not be happy until they had Z, but they relented and actually incorporated refuse as an option. What do people do?  WHINE about how refuse is a big middle finger to them. To restate:  The whiners asked for refuse, ACTUALLY  GOT  REFUSE, then proceeded to whine about how refuse was some imaginary middle finger to them with the argument of........**drumroll please**......why can't Shepard win conventionally or why can't  Shepard survive. 

And to state my position on all of this. I am a diehard ME  fan. I've probably got +400 hrs into the Single player through 3 games and i have AT  LEAST 500 hrs of MP on ME 3. I defended the ending when it first came out but I  was as disappointed as anyone else. They've done a TON  to try and make up for it. Only Valve can even come close to the amount of free updates and additions they've given to the MP community. I  know it doesn't count for much with you guys though.

[Reth Shepherd]

The MP was always going to be free, so it counts for nothing. Free MP increases the chances of people getting everything, which increases the number of people playing it, which means that there is going to be a larger pool of people who might potentially purchase weapon packs with real money. I've seen people boasting about purchasing $100 bucks worth of that cr*p here on the forums. (I can't make this stuff up!) It's called micro-transactions, and EA is infamous for them. You should be aware that EA's CEO, John Riccitiello, is (among other things) infamous for his statement to shareholders about potentially having a pop-up window when the player runs out of ammo. The pop-up window is asking if they'd like to pay real money for some more ammo, and he said that people aren't really thinking that critically at that juncture and are more likely to accept. So 'free' MP DLC to lure people in is EXACTLY up EA's alley. They actually make more this way than they would charging for it. So no, it counts for exactly nothing.

The EC was free, true. HOWEVER! We know from Twitter statements (I will be happy to link, if you want proof) that something along those lines was always in the works and that planned DLCs got "reordered". Are you aware of the Puzzle Theory? The one that said that if all DLCs were purchased, that the 'true' ending would be revealed? Sadly untrue. BUT it is entirely possible that Bioware did actually have something along those lines planned, and that the reward was meant to be the EC. (Most likely the pretty pictures, with most of the altered dialogue originally being aimed at other DLCS, such as Levi.) So the EC being free also counts for nothing. (Not to mention that it did exactly nothing about the biggest issue with the ending: namely Starbrat and his three choices.) Other than that, I don't really see anything that Bioware's done to try and make up for things. Can you give some examples, please?

To use the restaurant example: I went there, had a decent (NOT great, but decent) meal, and then got food poisoning from the last course. Then had the restaurant refuse to give me my money back and tell me it was my problem I got sick. Am I going to remember that the salad was all right? Or will I remember more that I was throwing my guts up afterwards? Because yeah, that ending was a HEAVY emotional sucker-punch to the stomach. To this day I cannot touch ANY of the trilogy. That ten minutes ruined it THAT thoroughly.

And to this day, I can't figure out why Bioware is so dead-set against adding one or more alternative endings. RGB can remain as it is if they are so determined to have it there. But what is the big issue with ADDING more options?! What exactly will that hurt?

[Zaizer]

To answer the fixing thing Reth:
Leviathan was use to "fix" the ending with a gigantic info dump about the reapers and their origin. It was more so pulling a band-aid on the whole thing then anything else. I still enjoyed Leviathan, but man the last bit of it felt like, well, a band-aid trying to cover a grievous wound.

[Funkdrspot]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

The MP was always going to be free, so it counts for nothing. Free MP increases the chances of people getting everything, which increases the number of people playing it, which means that there is going to be a larger pool of people who might potentially purchase weapon packs with real money. I've seen people boasting about purchasing $100 bucks worth of that cr*p here on the forums. (I can't make this stuff up!) It's called micro-transactions, and EA is infamous for them. You should be aware that EA's CEO, John Riccitiello, is (among other things) infamous for his statement to shareholders about potentially having a pop-up window when the player runs out of ammo. The pop-up window is asking if they'd like to pay real money for some more ammo, and he said that people aren't really thinking that critically at that juncture and are more likely to accept. So 'free' MP DLC to lure people in is EXACTLY up EA's alley. They actually make more this way than they would charging for it. So no, it counts for exactly nothing.

The basic MP  was going to be free but it's highly unlikely that ALL  of the add-ons they made were also going to be free. They've basically doubled the total maps, added a new enemy and doubled the number of guys you can play.

I know what a microtransaction is and I don't see why the PC community whines so much about it. Spend your money or don't and earn it old fashioned style. Not everyone has a wife and kids like i do so maybe not everyone wants to invest 500 hrs into getting good stuff like I do. I'm perfectly ok with that.

You can jump down EA's throat all you want over microtransactions but it was Valve that made it popular.

Reth Shepherd wrote...
The EC was free, true. HOWEVER! We know from Twitter statements (I will be happy to link, if you want proof) that something along those lines was always in the works and that planned DLCs got "reordered". Are you aware of the Puzzle Theory? The one that said that if all DLCs were purchased, that the 'true' ending would be revealed? Sadly untrue. BUT it is entirely possible that Bioware did actually have something along those lines planned, and that the reward was meant to be the EC. (Most likely the pretty pictures, with most of the altered dialogue originally being aimed at other DLCS, such as Levi.) So the EC being free also counts for nothing. (Not to mention that it did exactly nothing about the biggest issue with the ending: namely Starbrat and his three choices.) Other than that, I don't really see anything that Bioware's done to try and make up for things. Can you give some examples, please?

The EC counts for listening to their fans and righting some of the issues the end had. You say it counts for nothing because of a garbage excuse about how you heard they had something in the works...whut?  You seem to have a self-serving bias where you constantly down what Bioware did post-release.

Reth Shepherd wrote...
To use the restaurant example: I went there, had a decent (NOT great, but decent) meal, and then got food poisoning from the last course. Then had the restaurant refuse to give me my money back and tell me it was my problem I got sick. Am I going to remember that the salad was all right? Or will I remember more that I was throwing my guts up afterwards? Because yeah, that ending was a HEAVY emotional sucker-punch to the stomach. To this day I cannot touch ANY of the trilogy. That ten minutes ruined it THAT thoroughly.

LoL you guys are so melodramatic. When you equate a bad ending with food poisoning, you're whining. Quit playing the victim

Reth Shepherd wrote...
And to this day, I can't figure out why Bioware is so dead-set against adding one or more alternative endings. RGB can remain as it is if they are so determined to have it there. But what is the big issue with ADDING more options?! What exactly will that hurt?

Not that I'm saying ME 3 is a literally masterpiece but imagine how many masterpieces would have been ruined if we adhered to your thinking. Why did Romeo and Juliet have to die? Why did Oedipus have to pick his mom? Why did a whole group have to die to save 1 private Ryan? Why does Superman/Spiderman/Batman/etc have to die? 

So for you,  we see what it all boils down to. You're Kathy Bates in Misery. You can't have your way. The hero can't ride off into the sunset. You can't handle it. And while back in March 2012 I would have loved for ME 3 to have been released with a singular option for Shepard to live if you played the perfect trilogy, I can live with the breath scene b/c I know where it leads. You sir, need to stop being obsessed.

[Reth Shepherd]

Kalahira,
Mistress of inscrutable depths,
I ask forgiveness for the one that's lost,
I ask redemption for the one that drowns,
I ask lenience for the one brought to your shore.

Kalahira,
Mistress of the dusk and the dawn,
Light the beacon and upkeep the fire,
The flame high and bright,
And guide this traveler out of the roaring dark of despair.

But if the infinite must not be bereft,
Fill it with my humble plea,
For there is tomorrow in each breath,
For there is change hidden in the waves.

And if the traveler cannot walk,
Kalahira, Mistress of Grace,
Bestow a guardian, sentinel of your will,
To carry the one now adrift,
So the lost may never be alone.

Goodnight, my fellow BSNers! I have a kitten demanding attention and a bed calling my name. Two guess who's going to win! (funkdrspot, I'll get back to you tomorrow if you want to continue the debate. Toss me a PM.)

May we all have our Thane to guide us when we're lost.

[joiner87]

looking forward to see what they have in store

[Zaizer]

Funkdrspot wrote...

Not that I'm saying ME 3 is a literally masterpiece but imagine how many masterpieces would have been ruined if we adhered to your thinking. Why did Romeo and Juliet have to die? Why did Oedipus have to pick his mom? Why did a whole group have to die to save 1 private Ryan? Why does Superman/Spiderman/Batman/etc have to die? 

So for you,  we see what it all boils down to. You're Kathy Bates in Misery. You can't have your way. The hero can't ride off into the sunset. You can't handle it. And while back in March 2012 I would have loved for ME 3 to have been released with a singular option for Shepard to live if you played the perfect trilogy, I can live with the breath scene b/c I know where it leads. You sir, need to stop being obsessed.

Here's comparison that could work better: The Walking Dead game.

TWD had a sad ending. The thing about TWD, it's ending was pretty fulfilling. Everything leading up to it made sense. The choices, while not impactful in the long run, make you feel like they mattered and got you to there. You are left sad, but satisfied.

ME3 had 3 endings. The thing about ME3, Before the EC and Levi, It came out of left field. I didn't feel satisfied and empty. post-DLC, the pill was a little easier to swallow, but the emptiness was still here. All the choices you made leading into it didn't fe. The final part where Shepard and Anderson sitting there both bleeding out? That would of been a fulfilling sad ending. the Deus Ex part? Confusing,(still) feels out of place, and unsatisfying.

At this time, I've reach the point that that the starkid part won't change. I've accepted that, but I still hope for a "happy" ending to come till the DLC lands. Because a choice for one isn't terribly unreasonable.

My 2 (late night) cents.

[FOX216BC]

First dlc was part of the CE so i played like it was part of the main story.
I didn't know what to expect from leviathan.
Had a bad feeling about omega.
But now, don't know why, i have a good feeling about this one, even when i know they will not change the ending.

[NatP]

MattFini wrote...

Have people's thoughts/attitude changed towards this next DLC?

Still hyped? Abandoned hope? Pessimistic? Optimistic?

Curious to hear where everyone is as we'll likely know more next week.

I'm still...excited.

I honestly don't know what to feel... I want to see what it's gonna end up being but I don't know... I'll wait for more information before I reach any conclusions.

[RedBeardJim]

Zaizer wrote...

To answer the fixing thing Reth:
Leviathan was use to "fix" the ending with a gigantic info dump about the reapers and their origin. It was more so pulling a band-aid on the whole thing then anything else. I still enjoyed Leviathan, but man the last bit of it felt like, well, a band-aid trying to cover a grievous wound.

This was my big beef with Leviathan as well. Essential backstory like that should be part of the actual game, not something you have to pay extra for.

[Daniel_N7]

MattFini wrote...

Have people's thoughts/attitude changed towards this next DLC?

Still hyped? Abandoned hope? Pessimistic? Optimistic?

Curious to hear where everyone is as we'll likely know more next week.

I'm still...excited.

I'm curious at this point. I really want to know what this DLC is about after all.

Chris Priestly, BioWare moderator, stated on these forums repeatedly that it won't be ending related but that it will hopefully respond to fan feedback and some requests made by the community. I know moderators have not always been as transparent as we would wish, but this time there's something about how categorical Priestly is being that seems quite definitive.

With that in mind, if this is really not affecting the ending, as it seems, what could it be?

My "speculations" lead me in two directions.

The first is the idea of the "Romance-related DLC". That this DLC will expand your storyline with Shepard's potential romantic interests, introducing a new quest of some sort that could even allow the love-interest to become a temporary squadmate.

As I said, it's only speculation.

My favorite scenario, however, would be a Crucible-related DLC. [Well, my favorite would be an ending-DLC, but since that won't happen, this is my second-best choice.]
A DLC that introduced the Crucible construction site as a new Hub-world could be great. You could visit it different times during the game and see the Crucible being constructed, and you could talk with scientists and engineers that could provide better explanations about its technology. It would offer a much needed background to the Crucible endeavour, and make it more plausible.
Also, it could also introduce several new missions within this hub-world. For example, a conspiracy/sabotage attempt that Shepard and crew would have to prevent from happening. It could actually be great.

So, it wouldn't change the ending, but it could definitely make the storyline better.

The third possibility is the rumored Citadel-related DLC. I'm not very excited about this. The Citadel is very much present in the game throughout the entire campaign. I don't see the purpose of expanding the Citadel, unless it would be a post-Crucible blast mission. Which we know is not likely to happen.

Anyway, just my thoughts at the moment. Signing off.

[OdanUrr]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Maxga wrote...

Entitlement parade going on in here...

....should be some interesting floats

I prefer the Rose Parade myself. Amazing floats every year.

[Paladin14]

Food poisoning? Really? I still eat at places I've gotten food poisoning before, doesn't mean all their food is bad.

On a more serious note, the entitlement here has gotten bad. I hear all the time about people whining they paid $60 and Bioware won't change the endings. Guess what, they put in millions and a lot more time than you. It's their game, their ending, if they decide not to change it that's very well their choice.

People that complain about paying for DLC: if you're having a hard time paying $15 for a DLC then maybe playing video games should be a little lower on your priority list? Seriously it's such a small amount of money. Pack lunches instead of going out to eat for a week: bam you can afford said dlc, or go donate plasma, bam dlc. The thing is, the whiners don't want to have to work for the dlc, they expect everything given to them on a silver platter.