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[TurianRebel212]

Honorable mention: Batman Begins.

[PainCakesx]

TurianRebel212 wrote...

Inception isn't even Nolan's top 5, in my opinion.

1. The Dark Knight
2. Memento
3. The Dark Knight Rises
4. The Prestige
5. Insomnia

Off topic. sorry.

I really enjoyed Inception, but even I thought the ending with the top was cheesy more than anything. Generally speaking, Nolan is very good at ending movies in a satisfying manner that wraps everything up nicely though. In spite of the top, the film's conclusion was emotionally fulfilling. I left the theater feeling like his character arc was closed satisfactorially.

That's all I want with ME3. 

Modifié par PainCakesx, 29 janvier 2013 - 09:41 .

[Mcfly616]

TurianRebel212 wrote...

Inception isn't even Nolan's top 5, in my opinion.

1. The Dark Knight
2. Memento
3. The Dark Knight Rises
4. The Prestige
5. Insomnia

Off topic. sorry.

hahaa. Dark Knight Rises doesn't make my list. What an overhyped piece of mediocre crap.

In my opinion, TDKR is easily Nolans worst film. It goes unchallenged

[PainCakesx]

Mcfly616 wrote...

TurianRebel212 wrote...

Inception isn't even Nolan's top 5, in my opinion.

1. The Dark Knight
2. Memento
3. The Dark Knight Rises
4. The Prestige
5. Insomnia

Off topic. sorry.

hahaa. Dark Knight Rises doesn't make my list. What an overhyped piece of mediocre crap.

In my opinion, TDKR is easily Nolans worst film. It goes unchallenged

I see why you liked ME3's ending. 

I kid...

[rev1976]

dead_goon wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I'm fairly excited. I see Wrex in the casino pic. It could just be concept art though.

It isn't concept art, it's actual game content according to Jos, who actually worked on the level.

http://social.biowar...78/203#15718723

it is concept art

dont take my word for it though - look for yourself, a LOT of whats in that pic is painted in not rendered, most glaring example, look at the faces of the closest "people" they consist of brushstrokes and are most certainly not rendered models.

[TurianRebel212]

PainCakesx wrote...

TurianRebel212 wrote...

Inception isn't even Nolan's top 5, in my opinion.

1. The Dark Knight
2. Memento
3. The Dark Knight Rises
4. The Prestige
5. Insomnia

Off topic. sorry.

I really enjoyed Inception, but even I thought the ending with the top was cheesy more than anything. Generally speaking, Nolan is very good at ending movies in a satisfying manner that wraps everything up nicely though. In spite of the top, the film's conclusion was emotionally fulfilling. I left the theater feeling like his character arc was closed satisfactorially.

That's all I want with ME3. 

"That's all I want with ME3"

Me to. Probably won't happen. 5 years 100's of hours of gameplay and a picture slide is what we got. And it took them six months to make it. lol. 

[Mcfly616]

PainCakesx wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

TurianRebel212 wrote...

I totally understand your point of view. It's a shame really. All Bioware had to do, in my opinion, was show our war assets in action and show a reunion for the destroy option with high EMS. That's it. But they seem to want to destroy the series. I'm holding on and buying the DLC cause I love the characters and story of ME, right up until the ending lol, but I truly get your point of view and agree with your stance. I tried to hold the wallet but I seem to in the 'thrall' of the rEApers, lol.

I'm all for "seeing" my war assets in action. But if the lack of a Reunion "destroys" the series for you.....well, you got some weird standards.



It's actually kind of funny.

There's a difference between an ending that provides closure but encourages speculation, and an ending that offers no closure at all.

Yes, I get that it is implied that Shepard lives; however, in a visual medium, this needs to be conveyed *visually* in order to provide the catharsis that many require. I can headcannon his survival and reunion just fine, but it is nowhere near as satisfying as them showing it. It's the author's job to conclude the story, not the viewer. Speculation is fine, but speculating the end of the protagonist's character arc is a different thing entirely. It's hard to want to buy pre-ending DLC that has no real impact on the story when the ending itself is so unsatisfying.

I get that you like the ending as is, but to blatantly (and rudely) dismiss anyone who disagrees is very close minded. 

movies are "visual storytelling". Tell me, is Cobb awake or dreaming?

The final scene of the Mass Effect trilogy is one that tells you Shepards fate. He either lives or dies. Breathe scene means he lives. Period. End of story (and please don't reference "its whatever you want it to be." The file name says it, the strategy guide says it.)

And why did they do this? Well because they didn't want to tell the player how our Shepard lives out the rest of his days. Because only we know. People dont want their player agency taken away, yet they complain about the scene that gives them the epitome of "player agency".


" There's a difference between an ending that provides closure but encourages speculation, and an ending that offers no closure at all."

Your point? Mass Effect 3 gives you the latter. Your Shepard either lives or dies. You see the immediate impacts of your choices, and are left to speculate what the future holds. And if we're talking about your squadmates, well their closure is given right in-game:

Vega - going N7
Ash/Kaidan - Spectres
Garrus - retiring and living off the royalties from the vids
Liara - plans on writing a book with Javik
Javik - plans on writing a book with Liara and experiencing actual peace OR sacrificing himself at his crews resting place in the Cronian Nebula
Tali - builds a house on Rannoch

(No head cannon required)

And, for the record, the ending of Inception is apples and oranges to the ending to Mass Effect 3. 

that's my entire point. You said its visual story-telling and that they shouldve shown us what happened. Inception never provides an answer or shows the top fall. Whereas ME3 definitively shows Shepard surviving or dying via the memorial wall scene as well as the breathe scene (or lack there of)

Cobb's story arc and character arc is completed. I don't want to spoil the movie here, but there IS closure to his character. 

Cobb embracing his children while the top is spinning is a hell of a lot more fulfilling than Shepard taking half a breath, buried in rubble - a scene that almost seemed like an afterthought.

Don't want to go too off topic here though. This is after all the ME3 forum, not the Inception forum.

well that's about as big of a cop out as the TDKR ending. You say he gets closure, but don't want to discuss it? Lol

If by closure you mean: "emotional satisfaction/ catharsis"....then sure, he got closure. But in terms of his ultimate fate? Shepard gets it. And Cobb doesn't. Plain and simple.

[PainCakesx]

TurianRebel212 wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

TurianRebel212 wrote...

Inception isn't even Nolan's top 5, in my opinion.

1. The Dark Knight
2. Memento
3. The Dark Knight Rises
4. The Prestige
5. Insomnia

Off topic. sorry.

I really enjoyed Inception, but even I thought the ending with the top was cheesy more than anything. Generally speaking, Nolan is very good at ending movies in a satisfying manner that wraps everything up nicely though. In spite of the top, the film's conclusion was emotionally fulfilling. I left the theater feeling like his character arc was closed satisfactorially.

That's all I want with ME3. 

"That's all I want with ME3"

Me to. Probably won't happen. 5 years 100's of hours of gameplay and a picture slide is what we got. And it took them six months to make it. lol. 

I was lucky enough to not be around when the bulk of the ending debacle occured. I bought the game the day it came out, but never got around to playing it until Dec 2012. I foolishly forgot to install the EC before beating it though, which caused the nihilistic original endings to depress the holy hell out of me.

The wound is still fresh in my case. The EC got it 60% of the way there, but still short of what I feel is necessary to be a proper conclusion.

[TurianRebel212]

Mcfly616 wrote...

TurianRebel212 wrote...

Inception isn't even Nolan's top 5, in my opinion.

1. The Dark Knight
2. Memento
3. The Dark Knight Rises
4. The Prestige
5. Insomnia

Off topic. sorry.

hahaa. Dark Knight Rises doesn't make my list. What an overhyped piece of mediocre crap.

In my opinion, TDKR is easily Nolans worst film. It goes unchallenged

"You interpret film and video game endings like a younger man. Nothing Held Back. Admirable, but mistaken."

[KiwiQuiche]

Yeah, I'm so not excited or inclined to buy it; I got excited over ME3 and I think we all know how that turned out.

[Mcfly616]

PainCakesx wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

TurianRebel212 wrote...

Inception isn't even Nolan's top 5, in my opinion.

1. The Dark Knight
2. Memento
3. The Dark Knight Rises
4. The Prestige
5. Insomnia

Off topic. sorry.

hahaa. Dark Knight Rises doesn't make my list. What an overhyped piece of mediocre crap.

In my opinion, TDKR is easily Nolans worst film. It goes unchallenged

I see why you liked ME3's ending. 

I kid...

I never said it wasn't a satisfying conclusion to his Batman trilogy. I'm just saying, its not on par with what he's capable of. Obviously The Dark Knight set the bar to an unreachable height, but hell, TDKR doesn't even hold a candle to Batman Begins imo....

And the final scene was as cheesy as cheese gets. What a cop out. I'll tell you what, Imo there would've been more emotional pay off if that cafe scene was never included.

[PainCakesx]

Mcfly616 wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

TurianRebel212 wrote...

I totally understand your point of view. It's a shame really. All Bioware had to do, in my opinion, was show our war assets in action and show a reunion for the destroy option with high EMS. That's it. But they seem to want to destroy the series. I'm holding on and buying the DLC cause I love the characters and story of ME, right up until the ending lol, but I truly get your point of view and agree with your stance. I tried to hold the wallet but I seem to in the 'thrall' of the rEApers, lol.

I'm all for "seeing" my war assets in action. But if the lack of a Reunion "destroys" the series for you.....well, you got some weird standards.



It's actually kind of funny.

There's a difference between an ending that provides closure but encourages speculation, and an ending that offers no closure at all.

Yes, I get that it is implied that Shepard lives; however, in a visual medium, this needs to be conveyed *visually* in order to provide the catharsis that many require. I can headcannon his survival and reunion just fine, but it is nowhere near as satisfying as them showing it. It's the author's job to conclude the story, not the viewer. Speculation is fine, but speculating the end of the protagonist's character arc is a different thing entirely. It's hard to want to buy pre-ending DLC that has no real impact on the story when the ending itself is so unsatisfying.

I get that you like the ending as is, but to blatantly (and rudely) dismiss anyone who disagrees is very close minded. 

movies are "visual storytelling". Tell me, is Cobb awake or dreaming?

The final scene of the Mass Effect trilogy is one that tells you Shepards fate. He either lives or dies. Breathe scene means he lives. Period. End of story (and please don't reference "its whatever you want it to be." The file name says it, the strategy guide says it.)

And why did they do this? Well because they didn't want to tell the player how our Shepard lives out the rest of his days. Because only we know. People dont want their player agency taken away, yet they complain about the scene that gives them the epitome of "player agency".


" There's a difference between an ending that provides closure but encourages speculation, and an ending that offers no closure at all."

Your point? Mass Effect 3 gives you the latter. Your Shepard either lives or dies. You see the immediate impacts of your choices, and are left to speculate what the future holds. And if we're talking about your squadmates, well their closure is given right in-game:

Vega - going N7
Ash/Kaidan - Spectres
Garrus - retiring and living off the royalties from the vids
Liara - plans on writing a book with Javik
Javik - plans on writing a book with Liara and experiencing actual peace OR sacrificing himself at his crews resting place in the Cronian Nebula
Tali - builds a house on Rannoch

(No head cannon required)

And, for the record, the ending of Inception is apples and oranges to the ending to Mass Effect 3. 

that's my entire point. You said its visual story-telling and that they shouldve shown us what happened. Inception never provides an answer or shows the top fall. Whereas ME3 definitively shows Shepard surviving or dying via the memorial wall scene as well as the breathe scene (or lack there of)

Cobb's story arc and character arc is completed. I don't want to spoil the movie here, but there IS closure to his character. 

Cobb embracing his children while the top is spinning is a hell of a lot more fulfilling than Shepard taking half a breath, buried in rubble - a scene that almost seemed like an afterthought.

Don't want to go too off topic here though. This is after all the ME3 forum, not the Inception forum.

well that's about as big of a cop out as the TDKR ending. You say he gets closure, but don't want to discuss it? Lol

If by closure you mean: "emotional satisfaction/ catharsis"....then sure, he got closure. But in terms of his ultimate fate? Shepard gets it. And Cobb doesn't. Plain and simple.

It's hardly a cop out to not openly discuss endings to movies that some here may not have seen.

It's called basic decency.

And yes, I meant emotional catharsis - a requirement for any good ending. And I disagree, Shepard did not get it. TDKR's ending worked because it tied up all the characters - there was little ambiguity to the fate of each major character.

Again, seeing Cobb return home at the end and see his family again for the first time in years is a hell of a lot more compelling than a torso taking a brief breath.

You're welcome to disagree, but it's evident that I'm not the only one here who feels this way.

Modifié par PainCakesx, 29 janvier 2013 - 09:54 .

[KiwiQuiche]

Easy on the text pyramids, guys.

[PainCakesx]

Mcfly616 wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

TurianRebel212 wrote...

Inception isn't even Nolan's top 5, in my opinion.

1. The Dark Knight
2. Memento
3. The Dark Knight Rises
4. The Prestige
5. Insomnia

Off topic. sorry.

hahaa. Dark Knight Rises doesn't make my list. What an overhyped piece of mediocre crap.

In my opinion, TDKR is easily Nolans worst film. It goes unchallenged

I see why you liked ME3's ending. 

I kid...

I never said it wasn't a satisfying conclusion to his Batman trilogy. I'm just saying, its not on par with what he's capable of. Obviously The Dark Knight set the bar to an unreachable height, but hell, TDKR doesn't even hold a candle to Batman Begins imo....

And the final scene was as cheesy as cheese gets. What a cop out. I'll tell you what, Imo there would've been more emotional pay off if that cafe scene was never included.

I liked the cafe scene.

Different strokes I guess.

[Mcfly616]

TurianRebel212 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

TurianRebel212 wrote...

Inception isn't even Nolan's top 5, in my opinion.

1. The Dark Knight
2. Memento
3. The Dark Knight Rises
4. The Prestige
5. Insomnia

Off topic. sorry.

hahaa. Dark Knight Rises doesn't make my list. What an overhyped piece of mediocre crap.

In my opinion, TDKR is easily Nolans worst film. It goes unchallenged

"You interpret film and video game endings like a younger man. Nothing Held Back. Admirable, but mistaken."

you don't know a thing about me....so please stop attempting to. I simply don't agree with your list. Simple as that. Plus, you know....theres those things called "movie critics". Most of which reiterated my assessment of the film in their own reviews. It's mediocre. It drags. The plot is convoluted. It just so happens to be Christopher Nolan's biggest film (money wise) and worst film at the same time. And don't get me started on Bane's voice lol

[PainCakesx]

Mcfly616 wrote...

TurianRebel212 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

TurianRebel212 wrote...

Inception isn't even Nolan's top 5, in my opinion.

1. The Dark Knight
2. Memento
3. The Dark Knight Rises
4. The Prestige
5. Insomnia

Off topic. sorry.

hahaa. Dark Knight Rises doesn't make my list. What an overhyped piece of mediocre crap.

In my opinion, TDKR is easily Nolans worst film. It goes unchallenged

"You interpret film and video game endings like a younger man. Nothing Held Back. Admirable, but mistaken."

you don't know a thing about me....so please stop attempting to. I simply don't agree with your list. Simple as that. Plus, you know....theres those things called "movie critics". Most of which reiterated my assessment of the film in their own reviews. It's mediocre. It drags. The plot is convoluted. It just so happens to be Christopher Nolan's biggest film (money wise) and worst film at the same time. And don't get me started on Bane's voice lol

If you want to drag critics into this, you should also note the 87% positie reviews and 8/10 average.

Sure is mediocre. 

[Mcfly616]

PainCakesx wrote...


You're welcome to disagree, but it's evident that I'm not the only one here who feels this way.

ofcourse. Because the average person wants a happy-go-lucky ending. Doesn't mean its a good idea.

[TurianRebel212]

Shepard gets closure alright.

Control- dies. Becomes a reaper

Synthesis- dies. I have no idea. Still trying to wrap my puny human brain around how swan diving into a beam, lets reaper energy mold into synthetic and organic DNA. And evolve them..... Sounds like harvesting to me. But meh... What do I know.

Refuse- Dies. All his friends and loved ones die. Awesome. BioWare saying don't like our 'art'? Well, to bad.

Destroy. Really the only choice, unless your a sociopath or really like TIM or Saren's ideas. Shep dies if you really screw people over and don't play MP. Shep lives if you don't. And gets to be a permanent member of asphalt on London or The Citadel or where ever shep's suppose to be. Yes 'closure'. More Please.

[PainCakesx]

Mcfly616 wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...


You're welcome to disagree, but it's evident that I'm not the only one here who feels this way.

ofcourse. Because the average person wants a happy-go-lucky ending. Doesn't mean its a good idea.

Cut the condescension please.

I get you disagree, but getting on a pedastal and proclaiming your views as superior is wholly unnecessary.

[Mcfly616]

PainCakesx wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...


You're welcome to disagree, but it's evident that I'm not the only one here who feels this way.

ofcourse. Because the average person wants a happy-go-lucky ending. Doesn't mean its a good idea.

Cut the condescension please.

I get you disagree, but getting on a pedastal and proclaiming your views as superior is wholly unnecessary.

Cut the assumptions. I never proclaimed an opinion superior. My opinions are my own. As I stated multiple times over the past page or so.

[PainCakesx]

Mcfly616 wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

PainCakesx wrote...


You're welcome to disagree, but it's evident that I'm not the only one here who feels this way.

ofcourse. Because the average person wants a happy-go-lucky ending. Doesn't mean its a good idea.

Cut the condescension please.

I get you disagree, but getting on a pedastal and proclaiming your views as superior is wholly unnecessary.

Cut the assumptions. I never proclaimed an opinion superior. My opinions are my own. As I stated multiple times over the past page or so.

Your post sounded condescending. If you didn't mean it that way, then I misinterpreted it. I apologize.

Regardless, this is clearly going nowhere. 

I don't mind a dark ending, but given the bleak nature of ME3 in general, I don't think it's so ridiculous to want a uplifting ending. There should have been endings to cover a wide gambit of possibilities (as they advertised).

Modifié par PainCakesx, 29 janvier 2013 - 10:12 .

[Meltemph]

Nothing wrong with a dark ending, and isnt the issue with the ending if you care about the MEU as a whole. The problem with the ending is, it killed the setting, unless it reboots or is retconed.

I don't think it's so ridiculous to want a uplifting ending.

Wanting a "uplifting" ending is one thing, thinking the story needs it to be good is another. The ending isnt bad because it is dark... To be frank, if you trivialize it to something so shallow, it makes the ending not seem as bad as it actually was.

Modifié par Meltemph, 29 janvier 2013 - 10:23 .

[FlamingBoy]

I am very committed to not buying anything from bioware, I refused to be lied to and tricked again, so no I am not that excited

some people are looking forward to it, so that is something I guess

[TurianRebel212]

Meltemph wrote...

Nothing wrong with a dark ending, and isnt the issue with the ending if you care about the MEU as a whole. The problem with the ending is, it killed the setting, unless it reboots or is retconed.

I don't think it's so ridiculous to want a uplifting ending.

Wanting a "uplifting" ending is one thing, thinking the story needs it to be good is another. The ending isnt bad because it is dark... To be frank, if you trivialize it to something so shallow, it makes the ending not seem as bad as it actually was.

But Pain does have a point. But yes, the ending is bad because it is lore-breaking, poorly written, executed awfully, rushed, open ended, and when fanfiction is a better means of interpreting and ending to a major scifi masterpiece, yes it's a bad ending. BAD. 

But I'm looking forward to the DLC. I think Wrex will be a squadie. More wrex. New locale. Good stuff. 

Modifié par TurianRebel212, 29 janvier 2013 - 10:31 .

[fainmaca]

TurianRebel212 wrote...

All Bioware had to do, in my opinion, was show our war assets in action and show a reunion for the destroy option with high EMS. That's it. But they seem to want to destroy the series. 

I don't know... seems to me as though the team wanted to torch and run, so to speak. Maybe the transfer of responsibility for ME4 to the MP team (Montreal, I think?), wasn't an internal decision by the Bioware people. maybe it was a choice that filtered down from on high.

I mean, changing the ending to show just these few small things would probably have been... okay, at least. and not all that work-intensive (No more so than what we got, anyway). It all kind of smacks of the ME team getting tired of the franchise and trying to leave it in a state where nobody can come along and continue to build onto it without going back into prequel/sidequel territory.

*Dons tinfoil hat*