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[Blitzkrieg_33]

*to the tune of what i got by sublime*

Wake up in the morning,
grab my cup joe
log into bsn
to get the latest info

scrolling through the front page
clicking on threads with "bioware"
reading the OP's scoring idea
and all i can do is stare

cuz a bad idea, is what OP's got
I said remember that
a bad idea, is what OP's got he's got he's got he's got

Well I don't cry when OP comes my way
I don't get angry at the shiz he's got to say
I don't get angry when he starts to post
Making up scores that are never gonna float
running or fighting, it's all the same
As long as you extract there's more than one way to play the game
Let the shuttle let the shuttle come back to meeeee

Cuz a bad idea, is what OP's got
I said remember that
A bad idea, is what OP's got

Dictated, but not read by Stewie Griffin.

Modifié par Blitzkrieg_33, 29 janvier 2013 - 02:42 .

[Credit2team]

SimJoseph7 wrote...

Here is a post you started about 2 weeks ago:

thewalrusx wrote...

 I think the chief purpose of any game
is to have fun.  Players usualy play in a way that is fun forthemselves
but it might or it might not be fun for others. Speaking formyself
personaly I would rather make sure all of my teammates were having fun
before I consider my own enjoyment mostly because being in a game were
everyone is having fun is the most enjoyable for me.

That being
said, how can I make the game more fun for you if I am in a lobby with
you? What do you hope and expect players like me would/should do to make
the game more enjoyable?

Do yo feel comfortable expressing thses
desires over the mic in a lobby? How can I foster a lobby environment
that makes you feel welcome to communicate?

I underlined and bolded the first part. You are now (in this thread) dictating to me what you constitute as fun.

Sorry but I can decide what is fun for me all by myself and I don't need any hand holding during your version of fun.

Joseph

altering the score system isn't dictating, its just rewarding the players that need to be rewarded. as some players responded you are free to accuimulate negative scores and even enjoy it, justexpect to get kicked if you do. 

[Zero132132]

thewalrusx wrote...

SimJoseph7 wrote...

Here is a post you started about 2 weeks ago:

thewalrusx wrote...

 I think the chief purpose of any game
is to have fun.  Players usualy play in a way that is fun forthemselves
but it might or it might not be fun for others. Speaking formyself
personaly I would rather make sure all of my teammates were having fun
before I consider my own enjoyment mostly because being in a game were
everyone is having fun is the most enjoyable for me.

That being
said, how can I make the game more fun for you if I am in a lobby with
you? What do you hope and expect players like me would/should do to make
the game more enjoyable?

Do yo feel comfortable expressing thses
desires over the mic in a lobby? How can I foster a lobby environment
that makes you feel welcome to communicate?

I underlined and bolded the first part. You are now (in this thread) dictating to me what you constitute as fun.

Sorry but I can decide what is fun for me all by myself and I don't need any hand holding during your version of fun.

Joseph

altering the score system isn't dictating, its just rewarding the players that need to be rewarded. as some players responded you are free to accuimulate negative scores and even enjoy it, justexpect to get kicked if you do. 

Why do players that require handholding and can't kill effectively need rewarded?

[Credit2team]

Ramsutin wrote...

This post has given me HIV, Ebola, Cancer, Hanta, SARS and Malaria.
-infinity/10

And since inb4-posts are considered spam I'll do my best to get this thread locked
inb4lock
inb4spam
inb4OPisyouknowwhat
inb4inb4
inb4

not sure if stupid...

nevermind that I BW dev has commened in this thread like 6 times and not locked it...

You must learn young one that just because you don't like a thread doesn't mean it will get locked. When you hit pueberty you will understand this is how the world works. 

Modifié par thewalrusx, 29 janvier 2013 - 02:57 .

[Credit2team]

Zero132132 wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

SimJoseph7 wrote...

Here is a post you started about 2 weeks ago:

thewalrusx wrote...

 I think the chief purpose of any game
is to have fun.  Players usualy play in a way that is fun forthemselves
but it might or it might not be fun for others. Speaking formyself
personaly I would rather make sure all of my teammates were having fun
before I consider my own enjoyment mostly because being in a game were
everyone is having fun is the most enjoyable for me.

That being
said, how can I make the game more fun for you if I am in a lobby with
you? What do you hope and expect players like me would/should do to make
the game more enjoyable?

Do yo feel comfortable expressing thses
desires over the mic in a lobby? How can I foster a lobby environment
that makes you feel welcome to communicate?

I underlined and bolded the first part. You are now (in this thread) dictating to me what you constitute as fun.

Sorry but I can decide what is fun for me all by myself and I don't need any hand holding during your version of fun.

Joseph

altering the score system isn't dictating, its just rewarding the players that need to be rewarded. as some players responded you are free to accuimulate negative scores and even enjoy it, justexpect to get kicked if you do. 

Why do players that require handholding and can't kill effectively need rewarded?

Wow l2read adressed and debunked 100 times alreday, nuking spawns is not skill, you and your missle giltchers do not make the game fun you simply take it away from others

for the millionth time quicker does not equal better

any noob can slap on a harrier in a TGI

Modifié par thewalrusx, 29 janvier 2013 - 02:56 .

[Pyroninja42]

...This thread title really is inaccurate. It should be "Scott Walrus vs. The World."

Modifié par Pyroninja42, 29 janvier 2013 - 02:56 .

[Credit2team]

Pyroninja42 wrote...

...This thread title really is inaccurate. It should be "Scot Walrus vs. The World."

scot?

[Pyroninja42]

I woke up half an hour ago. Accidentally dropped a T.

[Blitzkrieg_33]

As in, Scott Pilgrim vs. the World.

Modifié par Blitzkrieg_33, 29 janvier 2013 - 02:58 .

[Credit2team]

Pyroninja42 wrote...

I woke up half an hour ago. Accidentally dropped a T.

no I mean, why scott?

[Credit2team]

Blitzkrieg_33 wrote...

As in, Scott Pilgrim vs. the World.

oh

[Zero132132]

thewalrusx wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

SimJoseph7 wrote...

Here is a post you started about 2 weeks ago:

thewalrusx wrote...

 I think the chief purpose of any game
is to have fun.  Players usualy play in a way that is fun forthemselves
but it might or it might not be fun for others. Speaking formyself
personaly I would rather make sure all of my teammates were having fun
before I consider my own enjoyment mostly because being in a game were
everyone is having fun is the most enjoyable for me.

That being
said, how can I make the game more fun for you if I am in a lobby with
you? What do you hope and expect players like me would/should do to make
the game more enjoyable?

Do yo feel comfortable expressing thses
desires over the mic in a lobby? How can I foster a lobby environment
that makes you feel welcome to communicate?

I underlined and bolded the first part. You are now (in this thread) dictating to me what you constitute as fun.

Sorry but I can decide what is fun for me all by myself and I don't need any hand holding during your version of fun.

Joseph

altering the score system isn't dictating, its just rewarding the players that need to be rewarded. as some players responded you are free to accuimulate negative scores and even enjoy it, justexpect to get kicked if you do. 

Why do players that require handholding and can't kill effectively need rewarded?

Wow l2read adressed and debunked 100 times alreday, nuking spawns is not skill, you and your missle gilters do not make the game fun you simply take it away from others

for the millionth time quick does not equal better

any noob can slap on a harrier in a TGI

You haven't debunked it. You've never responded to people explaining that the Claymore and Javelin would be punished. You also haven't explained why your notions of fun are miraculously universal. I don't have fun holding the hands of incompetent players that need someone by their side to rez them constantly and that can't kill Assault Troopers without help. Who would?

The difference is, in the current system, whiny, camping noobs like yourself get rewarded exactly as much as people like me, who prefer games in which four people operate independently. Your notion of teamwork is insane; different teams are allowed to have different team dynamics.

Since I don't have fun with your way of play, that means that you're obviously unambiguously wrong in all situations.

New system:
-Solo kills get bonus points.
-Greater proximity from other players is rewarded.
-Spending too much time in one location earns negative points.

Yay! Now everyone can finally have fun in this game rather than sitting near each other all game! How refreshing.

...you starting to understand why everyone in this thread thinks you're being incredibly stupid here?

[fulcrum290]

That system would heavily punish any good Claymore or Javelin user

Claymore/Javelin wielding Infiltrators can be far away from teammates and stil get all the solo kill usually get 75 weapon kills medal on Gold.

It would make weapons like Widow, Black Widow, Mantis unusable because of OSK

[Tonymac]

You know, Brian brought up a lot of good points - many of which I had not thought out..

I'm glad to see the devs thought of all of this.

I think the system is skewed towards the kill shot though. It encourages people to work hard to get that last bullet in there - in effect kill stealing. Yes, I get that it is for the good of the team and all of that jazz.

I would like to see assists get more credit. Debuffing should count for huge points. This gets all crazy with some powers that take long times to cast vs. those with insta effect, tech combos, biotical explosions and all of that. I know it is crazy to keep track of, yet the game obviously does because it calculates damage on the units.

Debuffers should get the creds just as much as the damage doers.

[Lives Must Die]

This is the strangest thread I've seen on here in a while.

I think there could definitely be better scoring options... and as far as negative points go.... they detract from your score if you have a score (if you have 0, you can't get any lower). The thing is, there would have to be incentive for people to want to succeed. With a system like this, the incentive would need to be stronger. There will always be trolls though.... such is life.

[Credit2team]

Zero132132 wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

SimJoseph7 wrote...

Here is a post you started about 2 weeks ago:

thewalrusx wrote...

 I think the chief purpose of any game
is to have fun.  Players usualy play in a way that is fun forthemselves
but it might or it might not be fun for others. Speaking formyself
personaly I would rather make sure all of my teammates were having fun
before I consider my own enjoyment mostly because being in a game were
everyone is having fun is the most enjoyable for me.

That being
said, how can I make the game more fun for you if I am in a lobby with
you? What do you hope and expect players like me would/should do to make
the game more enjoyable?

Do yo feel comfortable expressing thses
desires over the mic in a lobby? How can I foster a lobby environment
that makes you feel welcome to communicate?

I underlined and bolded the first part. You are now (in this thread) dictating to me what you constitute as fun.

Sorry but I can decide what is fun for me all by myself and I don't need any hand holding during your version of fun.

Joseph

altering the score system isn't dictating, its just rewarding the players that need to be rewarded. as some players responded you are free to accuimulate negative scores and even enjoy it, justexpect to get kicked if you do. 

Why do players that require handholding and can't kill effectively need rewarded?

Wow l2read adressed and debunked 100 times alreday, nuking spawns is not skill, you and your missle gilters do not make the game fun you simply take it away from others

for the millionth time quick does not equal better

any noob can slap on a harrier in a TGI

You haven't debunked it. You've never responded to people explaining that the Claymore and Javelin would be punished. You also haven't explained why your notions of fun are miraculously universal. I don't have fun holding the hands of incompetent players that need someone by their side to rez them constantly and that can't kill Assault Troopers without help. Who would?

The difference is, in the current system, whiny, camping noobs like yourself get rewarded exactly as much as people like me, who prefer games in which four people operate independently. Your notion of teamwork is insane; different teams are allowed to have different team dynamics.

Since I don't have fun with your way of play, that means that you're obviously unambiguously wrong in all situations.

New system:
-Solo kills get bonus points.
-Greater proximity from other players is rewarded.
-Spending too much time in one location earns negative points.

Yay! Now everyone can finally have fun in this game rather than sitting near each other all game! How refreshing.

...you starting to understand why everyone in this thread thinks you're being incredibly stupid here?

right because anyone that doesn't missle glitch is a whinny camping noob amiright?

lol try again troll:D

[Blitzkrieg_33]

Tonymac wrote...

You know, Brian brought up a lot of good points - many of which I had not thought out..

I'm glad to see the devs thought of all of this.

I think the system is skewed towards the kill shot though. It encourages people to work hard to get that last bullet in there - in effect kill stealing. Yes, I get that it is for the good of the team and all of that jazz.

I would like to see assists get more credit. Debuffing should count for huge points. This gets all crazy with some powers that take long times to cast vs. those with insta effect, tech combos, biotical explosions and all of that. I know it is crazy to keep track of, yet the game obviously does because it calculates damage on the units.

Debuffers should get the creds just as much as the damage doers.

I agree that debuffing needs to be factored in to the points, but the points for other assists are fine IMO. Often times I will have the gold assist medal, less than 50 kills to my name but still top the scoreboard just because I'm constantly casting on enemies that my teammates are shooting at.

I agree the the debuffing powers could use some bonus.

[Credit2team]

fulcrum290 wrote...

That system would heavily punish any good Claymore or Javelin user

Claymore/Javelin wielding Infiltrators can be far away from teammates and stil get all the solo kill usually get 75 weapon kills medal on Gold.

It would make weapons like Widow, Black Widow, Mantis unusable because of OSK

no gun OHKs bosses, focus on those tagets, when you want to fight mooks pull out your sidearm

[Trontor]

thewalrusx wrote...
If your teammates are next to you they are tagging evey kill you do. if you are killing them before they can do that, you need to bump up the difficulty. 

This suggestion is broken in so many ways. There weapons which can multiple enemies with one shot (e.g. the Black Widow) which would count as Solo kills in your scheme. And if I use that weapon I usually hang back from the team because a sniper build doesn't work very well in CQC. But I'm still helping the team because I'm killing enemies that are near to them and some of them even before they can get anywhere close to my team mates.

[HolyAvenger]

OP, are you a bad player who is consistently bottom of the scoreboard? Is that where the butthurt over high scorers is coming from?

[Zero132132]

thewalrusx wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

You haven't debunked it. You've never responded to people explaining that the Claymore and Javelin would be punished. You also haven't explained why your notions of fun are miraculously universal. I don't have fun holding the hands of incompetent players that need someone by their side to rez them constantly and that can't kill Assault Troopers without help. Who would?

The difference is, in the current system, whiny, camping noobs like yourself get rewarded exactly as much as people like me, who prefer games in which four people operate independently. Your notion of teamwork is insane; different teams are allowed to have different team dynamics.

Since I don't have fun with your way of play, that means that you're obviously unambiguously wrong in all situations.

New system:
-Solo kills get bonus points.
-Greater proximity from other players is rewarded.
-Spending too much time in one location earns negative points.

Yay! Now everyone can finally have fun in this game rather than sitting near each other all game! How refreshing.

...you starting to understand why everyone in this thread thinks you're being incredibly stupid here?

right because anyone that doesn't missle glitch is a whinny camping noob amiright?

lol try again troll:D

No, anyone that demands that other players hold their hand all match is a camping noob.

Most importantly, though, is that anyone that disagrees with my style of play needs to be punished with negative scores so that they're forced to play in a way that's fun if they don't want to delevel and lose their precious epeens. I mean, who wouldn't want to have FUN? We should promote FUN, and it's FUN to run around like a crazy person killing things.

[Credit2team]

JustAnotherVanguard wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...
If your teammates are next to you they are tagging evey kill you do. if you are killing them before they can do that, you need to bump up the difficulty. 

This suggestion is broken in so many ways. There weapons which can multiple enemies with one shot (e.g. the Black Widow) which would count as Solo kills in your scheme. And if I use that weapon I usually hang back from the team because a sniper build doesn't work very well in CQC. But I'm still helping the team because I'm killing enemies that are near to them and some of them even before they can get anywhere close to my team mates.

use your sidearm till you get to bosses, bosses wont get OHKed

[BridgeBurner]

Zero132132 wrote...
...you starting to understand why everyone in this thread thinks you're being incredibly stupid here?

Nope, he just continually claims that he should be rewarded for being a bad player... mandating that he SHOULD be rewarded for playing in the way that he perceives as being right, when he is clearly a minority among the player base.

I've already explained to him, if I make it to the spawn first I'm not going to wait around. No, we're going to start killing stuff, because unlike OP we don't need 3 other players to baby-sit us in a gold game, and unlike OP we don't think everyone should be bound at a low level, rendering skill a moot point.

His whole argument stems from him most likely being outscored often in pugs, and he doesn't like this. So he contrives a bizarre system where everything that a competent, efficient player does negatively impacts his score, but everything a carried, dead weight scrub does is rewarded.

No thanks, I'll detonate my own tech bursts, I'll score my own 20 headshots medal, thank you very much OP.

[Credit2team]

Zero132132 wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

You haven't debunked it. You've never responded to people explaining that the Claymore and Javelin would be punished. You also haven't explained why your notions of fun are miraculously universal. I don't have fun holding the hands of incompetent players that need someone by their side to rez them constantly and that can't kill Assault Troopers without help. Who would?

The difference is, in the current system, whiny, camping noobs like yourself get rewarded exactly as much as people like me, who prefer games in which four people operate independently. Your notion of teamwork is insane; different teams are allowed to have different team dynamics.

Since I don't have fun with your way of play, that means that you're obviously unambiguously wrong in all situations.

New system:
-Solo kills get bonus points.
-Greater proximity from other players is rewarded.
-Spending too much time in one location earns negative points.

Yay! Now everyone can finally have fun in this game rather than sitting near each other all game! How refreshing.

...you starting to understand why everyone in this thread thinks you're being incredibly stupid here?

right because anyone that doesn't missle glitch is a whinny camping noob amiright?

lol try again troll:D

No, anyone that demands that other players hold their hand all match is a camping noob.

Most importantly, though, is that anyone that disagrees with my style of play needs to be punished with negative scores so that they're forced to play in a way that's fun if they don't want to delevel and lose their precious epeens. I mean, who wouldn't want to have FUN? We should promote FUN, and it's FUN to run around like a crazy person killing things.

well maybe if you weren't so much of a homophobe you wouldn't be so afaraid of holding hands. learn to wrok with a team and stop being so antisocial kid, real life is about working as a team. Maybe when you grow up you'll learn what fun is, it is not missle glitching. 

[Dokteur Kill]

OP has a strange definition of the word "better".