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[Squire Rudi]

I get it now:

OP's nearly 4000 played games have transcended him to a level of awareness of how this game should be played that us mere mortals can never hope to understand.

And that's why I can only say: Nice try, Sovereign, but no thanks...

[Credit2team]

Zero132132 wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

You haven't debunked it. You've never responded to people explaining that the Claymore and Javelin would be punished. You also haven't explained why your notions of fun are miraculously universal. I don't have fun holding the hands of incompetent players that need someone by their side to rez them constantly and that can't kill Assault Troopers without help. Who would?

The difference is, in the current system, whiny, camping noobs like yourself get rewarded exactly as much as people like me, who prefer games in which four people operate independently. Your notion of teamwork is insane; different teams are allowed to have different team dynamics.

Since I don't have fun with your way of play, that means that you're obviously unambiguously wrong in all situations.

New system:
-Solo kills get bonus points.
-Greater proximity from other players is rewarded.
-Spending too much time in one location earns negative points.

Yay! Now everyone can finally have fun in this game rather than sitting near each other all game! How refreshing.

...you starting to understand why everyone in this thread thinks you're being incredibly stupid here?

right because anyone that doesn't missle glitch is a whinny camping noob amiright?

lol try again troll:D

No, anyone that demands that other players hold their hand all match is a camping noob.

Most importantly, though, is that anyone that disagrees with my style of play needs to be punished with negative scores so that they're forced to play in a way that's fun if they don't want to delevel and lose their precious epeens. I mean, who wouldn't want to have FUN? We should promote FUN, and it's FUN to run around like a crazy person killing things.

well maybe if you weren't so much of a homophobe you wouldn't be so afaraid of holding hands. learn to wrok with a team and stop being so antisocial kid, real life is about working as a team. Maybe when you grow up you'll learn what fun is, it is not missle glitching.

So now you're suggesting that I do OTHER things I don't enjoy? You're so cruel, OP. 

Quit accusing everyone that isn't a camping noob of being a missile glitcher. I leave stuff like that to Caineghis and others like him, and they get kickvotes. I haven't responded to it because it's annoying, and rewarding attention ****s with attention seems like a mistake, but I don't want anyone getting the wrong idea about me.

You're wrong as **** about real life, by the way. There's nothing wrong with taking initiative. A lot of bosses actually, for whatever reason, like having workers that can competently do their own jobs without three other people to help them. People generally like when others can pay their own rent, credit card bills, etc without asking for help. For plenty of people, being overly dependent is kind of a turn-off.

really you need to grow up and realize that you are dependant on others. You didn't grow your own food, you didn't build your house, you are dependant on people no matter what you do in life to handle the things you cannot. Success is only possible because we work as a team  in a system in society.  the idea that you somehow must be totally idependant comes from a serious lack of self esteem, a chip on your shoulder that you need to proove yourself to others instead of working with them. 

[Trontor]

thewalrusx wrote...

carry a sidearm in then thats the point of one, its not rocket science kids

Why? Because you said so? I can win the game and have fun without one. Using a Phalanx on the other hand is not fun at all. I know that very well because I did that challenge for Pistol Mastery. And I'm very happy that I'm now using a decent weapon. Having to switch to a sidearm because of a weird scoring system would greatly reduce the fun.

again with the speedruns?

for the billionth time, any noob can do speedruns, faster does not equal more fun. 

What makes you think that you are in any position to decide what is fun and what is not? There are people who enjoy speed runs (I'm not one of them) which the current gaming system supports. Making certain tactis unviable doesn't make the game more fun to play.

If you think that playing by moving through the map in formation is fun that is absolutely fine. The game does support that. There are however people which have another idea what is fun and what is not. And you are basically suggesting to take that way.

Please stop suggesting that you know what is fun for other people.

[Zero132132]

Pyroninja42 wrote...

Holy crap, is this guy serious?

I literally have NO Idea.

I'm not sure anymore either. Most trolls don't bother to defend their bad ideas to this extent. I think he's serious. Then again, the best trolls come off as serious.

[Credit2team]

SkylarV wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...
...you starting to understand why everyone in this thread thinks you're being incredibly stupid here?

Nope, he just continually claims that he should be rewarded for being a bad player... mandating that he SHOULD be rewarded for playing in the way that he perceives as being right, when he is clearly a minority among the player base.

I've already explained to him, if I make it to the spawn first I'm not going to wait around. No, we're going to start killing stuff, because unlike OP we don't need 3 other players to baby-sit us in a gold game, and unlike OP we don't think everyone should be bound at a low level, rendering skill a moot point.

His whole argument stems from him most likely being outscored often in pugs, and he doesn't like this. So he contrives a bizarre system where everything that a competent, efficient player does negatively impacts his score, but everything a carried, dead weight scrub does is rewarded.

No thanks, I'll detonate my own tech bursts, I'll score my own 20 headshots medal, thank you very much OP.

Thank you for admitting that you are incapable of playing as a teamplayer. If you need help ask for it, don't make threads whining about how you can't do it. Or go solo kid, this is a team game for team players.

Thank you for admitting that you are incapable of playing as a teamplayer. If you need help ask for it, don't make threads whining about how you can't do it. Or go solo kid, this is a team game for team players.

parrot

[BridgeBurner]

thewalrusx wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...
...you starting to understand why everyone in this thread thinks you're being incredibly stupid here?

Nope, he just continually claims that he should be rewarded for being a bad player... mandating that he SHOULD be rewarded for playing in the way that he perceives as being right, when he is clearly a minority among the player base.

I've already explained to him, if I make it to the spawn first I'm not going to wait around. No, we're going to start killing stuff, because unlike OP we don't need 3 other players to baby-sit us in a gold game, and unlike OP we don't think everyone should be bound at a low level, rendering skill a moot point.

His whole argument stems from him most likely being outscored often in pugs, and he doesn't like this. So he contrives a bizarre system where everything that a competent, efficient player does negatively impacts his score, but everything a carried, dead weight scrub does is rewarded.

No thanks, I'll detonate my own tech bursts, I'll score my own 20 headshots medal, thank you very much OP.

Thank you for admitting that you are incapable of playing as a teamplayer. If you need help ask for it, don't make threads whining about how you can't do it. Or go solo kid, this is a team game for team players.

You are extremely immature, even by BSN's standards. 

The blatant idiocy of your posts and your constant dodging of questions that you'd rather not answer makes you look rather stupid, all in all. Try learning to address someone's actual argument instead of resorting to Ad Hominem. Calling other people "bad" when they tear up your argument doesn't mean you've won the argument, it just makes you pathetically immature.

And the fact that you have the nerve to accuse others of whining is really rich. Your entire argument consists of nothing but whining because you're a slow, incompetent, sub-par player, who is a detriment to any team. Everything you have described about your "playstyle" means you're nothing more than dead weight.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. It is you who needs to sharpen up and improve, not us. I would rather have a player capable of handling himself in game in my lobby, than a person who requires his hand held, and spoon-fed kills.

[Credit2team]

Zero132132 wrote...

Pyroninja42 wrote...

Holy crap, is this guy serious?

I literally have NO Idea.

I'm not sure anymore either. Most trolls don't bother to defend their bad ideas to this extent. I think he's serious. Then again, the best trolls come off as serious.

right because everyone you disagree with can't be seious, thats how the world works right?

[Trontor]

thewalrusx wrote...

Lehna wrote...

Stop trying to shove your idea of fun down our throats, good god.

Stop shoving you idea of fun down my throat

Nobody is doing that. You are the one suggesting to impose weird score rules which only permit your idea of playing this game.

[Pyroninja42]

thewalrusx wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Pyroninja42 wrote...

Holy crap, is this guy serious?

I literally have NO Idea.

I'm not sure anymore either. Most trolls don't bother to defend their bad ideas to this extent. I think he's serious. Then again, the best trolls come off as serious.

right because everyone you disagree with can't be seious, thats how the world works right?

The stupidity in this thread is going to be the end of me, but I'll be damned if it ain't addictive.

[dunnski007]

Annomander wrote...
I would rather have a player capable of handling himself in game in my lobby, than a person who requires his hand held, and spoon-fed kills.

^ This

Modifié par dunnski007, 29 janvier 2013 - 03:31 .

[SkylarV]

Blitzkrieg_33 wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

so your argument is "i'm bad with a sidearm, therefor the whole score system is broken"  nice logic there

You wanna hear logic? Here's some logic (not that you'll understand):

The longer an enemy is alive, the higher the risk you or your teammates will fall, thus the more chances you have as a team to fail.

The quicker an enemy is dispatched, the less risk you and your team has from the enemy (cuz he's dead LOL), thus the more chances you have for success.

No one in their right mind would think that taking longer to kill an enemy is better than waiting to kill him "just in the name of teamwork".

No way, that's just silly. The ends always justify the means. Mo teamwork = mo betta

What's that? Our game took an hour, we all used all our consumables, our objectives came down to time, and we barely extracted? WHO CARES?! WE HAD SO MUCH TEAMWORK!

[Credit2team]

Annomander wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...
...you starting to understand why everyone in this thread thinks you're being incredibly stupid here?

Nope, he just continually claims that he should be rewarded for being a bad player... mandating that he SHOULD be rewarded for playing in the way that he perceives as being right, when he is clearly a minority among the player base.

I've already explained to him, if I make it to the spawn first I'm not going to wait around. No, we're going to start killing stuff, because unlike OP we don't need 3 other players to baby-sit us in a gold game, and unlike OP we don't think everyone should be bound at a low level, rendering skill a moot point.

His whole argument stems from him most likely being outscored often in pugs, and he doesn't like this. So he contrives a bizarre system where everything that a competent, efficient player does negatively impacts his score, but everything a carried, dead weight scrub does is rewarded.

No thanks, I'll detonate my own tech bursts, I'll score my own 20 headshots medal, thank you very much OP.

Thank you for admitting that you are incapable of playing as a teamplayer. If you need help ask for it, don't make threads whining about how you can't do it. Or go solo kid, this is a team game for team players.

You are extremely immature, even by BSN's standards. 

The blatant idiocy of your posts and your constant dodging of questions that you'd rather not answer makes you look rather stupid, all in all. Try learning to address someone's actual argument instead of resorting to Ad Hominem. Calling other people "bad" when they tear up your argument doesn't mean you've won the argument, it just makes you pathetically immature.

And the fact that you have the nerve to accuse others of whining is really rich. Your entire argument consists of nothing but whining because you're a slow, incompetent, sub-par player, who is a detriment to any team. Everything you have described about your "playstyle" means you're nothing more than dead weight.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. It is you who needs to sharpen up and improve, not us. I would rather have a player capable of handling himself in game in my lobby, than a person who requires his hand held, and spoon-fed kills.

I leave the immaturaty up to you. you scoff and insult in a childish manner without bring any logical arguments to the table. then when you are called out, you whine like a hurt child. 


I know it must be very difficult ofr you to work as a team because you spend all your time alone, but thats no excuse to complain about a system that rewards teamplay. let the challenge make you a better player. learn to work with people. Trust me you'll be a happier person who has much more fun with the game. 

[fulcrum290]

Guys no need for personal attack, just address the points you disagree with.

[Blitzkrieg_33]

https://encrypted-tb...wmb4usZhX1_QXIk

Modifié par Blitzkrieg_33, 29 janvier 2013 - 03:33 .

[Credit2team]

SkylarV wrote...

Blitzkrieg_33 wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

so your argument is "i'm bad with a sidearm, therefor the whole score system is broken"  nice logic there

You wanna hear logic? Here's some logic (not that you'll understand):

The longer an enemy is alive, the higher the risk you or your teammates will fall, thus the more chances you have as a team to fail.

The quicker an enemy is dispatched, the less risk you and your team has from the enemy (cuz he's dead LOL), thus the more chances you have for success.

No one in their right mind would think that taking longer to kill an enemy is better than waiting to kill him "just in the name of teamwork".

No way, that's just silly. The ends always justify the means. Mo teamwork = mo betta

What's that? Our game took an hour, we all used all our consumables, our objectives came down to time, and we barely extracted? WHO CARES?! WE HAD SO MUCH TEAMWORK!

Just because you lack the skills to work as a team and extract doesn't mean that its impossible for others. you just need practice. 

[Zero132132]

thewalrusx wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Pyroninja42 wrote...

Holy crap, is this guy serious?

I literally have NO Idea.

I'm not sure anymore either. Most trolls don't bother to defend their bad ideas to this extent. I think he's serious. Then again, the best trolls come off as serious.

right because everyone you disagree with can't be seious, thats how the world works right?

No, but anyone that ignores all rational arguments in favor of ad hominem and repeating their bull**** mantra that everyone needs to have fun THEIR way is either a troll or a fool. Either way, you should be eaten.

[Credit2team]

JustAnotherVanguard wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

carry a sidearm in then thats the point of one, its not rocket science kids

Why? Because you said so? I can win the game and have fun without one. Using a Phalanx on the other hand is not fun at all. I know that very well because I did that challenge for Pistol Mastery. And I'm very happy that I'm now using a decent weapon. Having to switch to a sidearm because of a weird scoring system would greatly reduce the fun.

again with the speedruns?

for the billionth time, any noob can do speedruns, faster does not equal more fun. 

What makes you think that you are in any position to decide what is fun and what is not? There are people who enjoy speed runs (I'm not one of them) which the current gaming system supports. Making certain tactis unviable doesn't make the game more fun to play.

If you think that playing by moving through the map in formation is fun that is absolutely fine. The game does support that. There are however people which have another idea what is fun and what is not. And you are basically suggesting to take that way.

Please stop suggesting that you know what is fun for other people.

no I'm suggesting that the score reward those who play as a team, that doesn't prevent you fromplaying anyway you like, currently the score punishes those who play as a team, this needs to be corrected

[dunnski007]

Zero132132 wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Pyroninja42 wrote...

Holy crap, is this guy serious?

I literally have NO Idea.

I'm not sure anymore either. Most trolls don't bother to defend their bad ideas to this extent. I think he's serious. Then again, the best trolls come off as serious.

right because everyone you disagree with can't be seious, thats how the world works right?

No, but anyone that ignores all rational arguments in favor of ad hominem and repeating their bull**** mantra that everyone needs to have fun THEIR way is either a troll or a fool. Either way, you should be eaten.

I read this last sentence in a krogan voice.. well done.

[Blitzkrieg_33]

thewalrusx wrote...

Just because you lack the skills to work as a team and extract doesn't mean that its impossible for others. you just need practice. 

The very point of teamwork is to synergize your efforts to create a whole that is greater than the parts.

FOR EXAMPLE: 1+1=3

Where two players might be okay playing by themselves, when combined they can play better than they could without.

I consider the best teamwork in this game to be the kind where I don't have to constantly worry about what my team is doing, because I know they can handle themselves. Likewise, I don't want my team to have to think they have to cover my ass, because I am capable of having AWARENESS OF MY SURROUNDINGS. I don't need a teammate to do it for me.

If you do, that is fine, but don't think you have the right to penalize other players because you can't do something that they can.

Learn to play.

Go back to bronze.

and please, please, quit it.

[SkylarV]

thewalrusx wrote...

Annomander wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...
...you starting to understand why everyone in this thread thinks you're being incredibly stupid here?

Nope, he just continually claims that he should be rewarded for being a bad player... mandating that he SHOULD be rewarded for playing in the way that he perceives as being right, when he is clearly a minority among the player base.

I've already explained to him, if I make it to the spawn first I'm not going to wait around. No, we're going to start killing stuff, because unlike OP we don't need 3 other players to baby-sit us in a gold game, and unlike OP we don't think everyone should be bound at a low level, rendering skill a moot point.

His whole argument stems from him most likely being outscored often in pugs, and he doesn't like this. So he contrives a bizarre system where everything that a competent, efficient player does negatively impacts his score, but everything a carried, dead weight scrub does is rewarded.

No thanks, I'll detonate my own tech bursts, I'll score my own 20 headshots medal, thank you very much OP.

Thank you for admitting that you are incapable of playing as a teamplayer. If you need help ask for it, don't make threads whining about how you can't do it. Or go solo kid, this is a team game for team players.

You are extremely immature, even by BSN's standards. 

The blatant idiocy of your posts and your constant dodging of questions that you'd rather not answer makes you look rather stupid, all in all. Try learning to address someone's actual argument instead of resorting to Ad Hominem. Calling other people "bad" when they tear up your argument doesn't mean you've won the argument, it just makes you pathetically immature.

And the fact that you have the nerve to accuse others of whining is really rich. Your entire argument consists of nothing but whining because you're a slow, incompetent, sub-par player, who is a detriment to any team. Everything you have described about your "playstyle" means you're nothing more than dead weight.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. It is you who needs to sharpen up and improve, not us. I would rather have a player capable of handling himself in game in my lobby, than a person who requires his hand held, and spoon-fed kills.

I leave the immaturIty up to you. you scoff and insult in a childish manner without bring any logical arguments to the table. then when you are called out, you whine like a hurt child. 


I know it must be very difficult ofr you to work as a team because you spend all your time alone, but thats no excuse to complain about a system that rewards teamplay. let the challenge make you a better player. learn to work with people. Trust me you'll be a happier person who has much more fun with the game. 

I leave the immaturity up to you. You scoff and insult in a childish manner without bring any logical arguments to the table. Then when you are called out, you whine like a hurt child. 

I know it must be very difficult ofr you to work as a team because you spend all your time alone, but thats no excuse to complain about a system that rewards teamplay. Let the challenge make you a better player. Learn to work with people. Trust me you'll be a happier person who has much more fun with the game.

(You're giving us arguments against you, fyi)

[Credit2team]

Zero132132 wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Pyroninja42 wrote...

Holy crap, is this guy serious?

I literally have NO Idea.

I'm not sure anymore either. Most trolls don't bother to defend their bad ideas to this extent. I think he's serious. Then again, the best trolls come off as serious.

right because everyone you disagree with can't be seious, thats how the world works right?

No, but anyone that ignores all rational arguments in favor of ad hominem and repeating their bull**** mantra that everyone needs to have fun THEIR way is either a troll or a fool. Either way, you should be eaten.

right because any argument that you disagree with is irrational

you need to realize that there will always be people that disagree with you, thats not trolling thats life

[dunnski007]

thewalrusx wrote...

JustAnotherVanguard wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

carry a sidearm in then thats the point of one, its not rocket science kids

Why? Because you said so? I can win the game and have fun without one. Using a Phalanx on the other hand is not fun at all. I know that very well because I did that challenge for Pistol Mastery. And I'm very happy that I'm now using a decent weapon. Having to switch to a sidearm because of a weird scoring system would greatly reduce the fun.

again with the speedruns?

for the billionth time, any noob can do speedruns, faster does not equal more fun. 

What makes you think that you are in any position to decide what is fun and what is not? There are people who enjoy speed runs (I'm not one of them) which the current gaming system supports. Making certain tactis unviable doesn't make the game more fun to play.

If you think that playing by moving through the map in formation is fun that is absolutely fine. The game does support that. There are however people which have another idea what is fun and what is not. And you are basically suggesting to take that way.

Please stop suggesting that you know what is fun for other people.

no I'm suggesting that the score reward those who play as a team, that doesn't prevent you fromplaying anyway you like, currently the score punishes those who play as a team, this needs to be corrected

The scoring system does not punish those who 'play as a team'. They just don't reward them the same as people who actually kill enemies. Killing enemies is the entire point of this MP. Whether you are playing solo or in a group with 4 PUGs, the end result is supposed to be the same. The enemies are supposed to die.

There are so many flaws in your logic for this idea that I am amazed you have still continued to persue this after being told repeatedly (and by BW employees too) that it is just not feasible based on the idea that EVERYONE should enjoy it.

[Dokteur Kill]

Penalizing people for being successful worked so well for Stalin...

Anyway, OP, your idea is bad, and here's why: Most players disagree with you, and don't think it's fun. And if the game stops being fun, people stop playing, and then the game will be dead. So there you'll be, the last ME3 online player, stuck soloing because everyone else has left, and getting a sh*tload of negative points thanks to your own system.

[INVADERONE]

Its not a really good idea. I dont think OP understands medals. Besides if you are playing for score...anyone who truly understands medals will actually go for revives when they can as that is extra xp thus helping the team. They would also go for assist medals which means they will help you get faster kills etc. Nuking at least three spawns to get three kill streaks OR just getting three regardless of using missiles will help those who are leveling up.... In my opinion the score system is not the best but if you analyze it any player who understands medals etc would understand that it encourages team play "most" of the time.

OP I do get where you are coming from by the way its just that you are proposing negatives against certain kinds of actions when it shouldnt be that way. I play mostly platinum so your ideas would not work at all on that difficulty as I want everyone to destroy as much as they can. While I am clearing a spawn one of my buddies is on the other side of that map clearing out the new ones etc. Score doesnt really matter to us but it just happens.

There are also objectives that we do have a man out of the objective drawing enemies away. We dont always do this but according to your post that player would be penalized when he/she is just helping us out.

Again, I get where you are coming from but I think maybe focus on your team play and other's will be affected by it. For example when I am in a pug game I do my best to revive. There is nothing to show another player how much you want them to be in the game by helping them if they are down. I dont do this quickly as I learned how to clear the enemy first before reviving so that they dont get insta stomped/killed but when I do revive them they know Im working with them. Same goes when it happens to me. Focus on your team play as an example to others and hopefully they will get affected by it. If not....well. Move on to another lobby and have fun there.