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[Credit2team]

lazysundae wrote...

OP - 5 pages later you are still the only person saying that this is a good idea. We have given reason after reason why staying within 1 foot of each player is tactically insane, why solo kills would make many weapons obsolete, why dragging a game out to 40 minutes is boring, and why hoping someone else will properly explode your power is an exercise in frustration.

If you're not having fun, go play something else. If you're frustrated that everything is getting killed before you can get to it, go PUG or get better at finding spawns. If you want to play with your friends, crack some jokes and have fun with it - so what if you come in last??

I don't care about the score. I care about my flanks being uncovered. I care about teammates dying across the map. I care that there is nothing to do because somone has nuked the spawns on wave 1 with missles. Thats what I care about. The score is just a way of getting other players to play as they should. 

Modifié par thewalrusx, 29 janvier 2013 - 05:59 .

[lazysundae]

thewalrusx wrote...

Annomander wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

when you play with your first good team you'll understand. 

Yeah merc, stop playing with those nabs like Annomander and the rest of those guys, who can clear a gold match in 17 minutes and have a great time doing so as well, and instead, slow down, take 30 minutes and play with some REALLY good public players who take forever to kill stuff.

right because speed runs are hard? 30 minutes is forever? Up the dosage of ritalin dude. 

In a match that COULD have taken 20 minutes - yes, 30 minutes is forever.  It is a 50% more time consuming and feels is the difference between playing 3 games on 3 different settings vs 3 different factions, or 2 within the hour.

Time is a limited resource.  There's a reason why we try to find faster ways to do everything.  YOLO and all that.

(You've reduced me to arguing my point with YOLO FFS.)

[LeandroBraz]

thewalrusx wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...


teamwork is overrated in this game, partially because the players made it this way.
if you stand around waiting for stuff, getting frustrated, this game might have evolved past you, youre never going to be able to make others play how you want them to.
might as well run around too and enjoy the game.

so your logic is players have made the game unfun so you should keep playing it and have the least fun possible?

as anyone who knows me well, they know I'm perfectly capable of soloing gold with just about any character. that doesn't make it fun to play. teamwork makes the game fun. If soloing is your thing, go solo. But keep teamplay as an essentaila part of playing with a team.  

 I don't understand all this complaining about the so called "playing solo". Unless you are actually doing a solo match, you never play solo. The most important thing in a solo match is perfect spawn and crowd control. You know how much enemies and where they are. Add other players to it, you will need to care about the other players.  You need to see where other players are, since it change where enemies spawn. Since you are playing with others, it means you don't wan't to loose time playing alone, so you don't want your team to die, you will have to keep an eye on them, save their asses when necessary. You are smart, so you know you can use you team abilities to maximize your damage, so you will keep an eye on what they are doing and how you can use it against enemies. You can't play solo. What happen sometimes is that people have so bad positioning that you say screw this and go do your thing. I do my best for the team, but if the team become a burden too heavy to carry, I will go do what I know it works and let them to their own luck...

[BDaddy1968]

\\
\\__. Why so obtuse OP.

[Bryan Johnson]

thewalrusx wrote...

lazysundae wrote...

OP - 5 pages later you are still the only person saying that this is a good idea. We have given reason after reason why staying within 1 foot of each player is tactically insane, why solo kills would make many weapons obsolete, why dragging a game out to 40 minutes is boring, and why hoping someone else will properly explode your power is an exercise in frustration.

If you're not having fun, go play something else. If you're frustrated that everything is getting killed before you can get to it, go PUG or get better at finding spawns. If you want to play with your friends, crack some jokes and have fun with it - so what if you come in last??

I don't care about the sacore. i care about my flanks being uncovered. I care about teammates dying across the map. I care that there is nothong to do because somone has nuked the spawns on wave 1 with missles. Thats what I care about. the score is just a way of getting other players to play as they should. 

"The score is just a way of getting other players to play as they should."

There is no correct way to play

[AkuIaTubShark]

Zero132132 wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

UnknownMercenary wrote...

If you are hurting for things to kill in a private match, then go play in PUGs?

Playing private games with coordinated players SHOULD encourage you to get better, learning the spawns and how to attack them efficiently.

Or you can always strive to be the big fish in public matches, considering the state of them these days.

From your N7HQ it's not like you're new to this game ... why is this an issue now 1300 hours later?

faster never equals better, simple as that

better is working as a TEAM

when you play with your first good team you'll understand. 

What makes a game fun for me is running around like a crazy person. What makes a good team for me is four people that can run a chaotic match like that, still be effective, and still get decent clear times. Every single thing about your score system would make the game punish my version of fun.

Meanwhile, in the current system, no one is punished. Players can adopt any playstyle they like, and the end result will generally be the same XP and same credits for a completed match. The game doesn't try to force me to play any specific way. Why the hell SHOULD it?

Careful there, Ether, that's logic. 
'Dems fightin wurds 'round hur.
And I agree, running around doing my own thing is personally more fun then being butt-buddies with someone for the entire game. My DrellGuard enjoys making a joke of everything.

[Zero132132]

thewalrusx wrote...

lazysundae wrote...

OP - 5 pages later you are still the only person saying that this is a good idea. We have given reason after reason why staying within 1 foot of each player is tactically insane, why solo kills would make many weapons obsolete, why dragging a game out to 40 minutes is boring, and why hoping someone else will properly explode your power is an exercise in frustration.

If you're not having fun, go play something else. If you're frustrated that everything is getting killed before you can get to it, go PUG or get better at finding spawns. If you want to play with your friends, crack some jokes and have fun with it - so what if you come in last??

I don't care about the sacore. i care about my flanks being uncovered. I care about teammates dying across the map. I care that there is nothong to do because somone has nuked the spawns on wave 1 with missles. Thats what I care about. the score is just a way of getting other players to play as they should. 

Your idea of 'should' can go **** itself. My idea of 'fun' shouldn't be punished just because whiners like you like to play differently.

[nuh1]

brb, throwing out all my infiltrators, vanguards, snipers, and my beloved aggressive fury.
don't want to get stuck in negative score leaving my prisoner shackles.

[Tybo]

+1 OP

This is the funniest thing I've read all day.

Even by BSN standards, this is incredibly stupid.

[LeandroBraz]

thewalrusx wrote...

Rudenut wrote...

Your condescending tone is insulting. What I want from a team is players that kill at least as fast as I do. If I have to compete for kills I improve. This may not be competitive in the CoD sense but competition is still healthy. It makes everyone better.

If you are unable to kill as fast as your team mates and stand around doing nothing the entire match, maybe you should go down a diff or two. As a matter of fact, I wish you and other like you would you do nothing for my game.

Man is competitive. Though, if the state of my sons baseball league with their "everyone gets a trophy" mentality is an indicator, you and yours will soon strip him of that, along with his desire to succeed.

one thing this accomplishes is killing any of the fun the game may have had. 

killing how?

[UnknownMercenary]

thewalrusx wrote...

Annomander wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

when you play with your first good team you'll understand. 

Yeah merc, stop playing with those nabs like Annomander and the rest of those guys, who can clear a gold match in 17 minutes and have a great time doing so as well, and instead, slow down, take 30 minutes and play with some REALLY good public players who take forever to kill stuff.

right because speed runs are hard? 30 minutes is forever? Up the dosage of ritalin dude. 

I still remember that time with Jay where he basically carried the team with an Incisor.

I have played with plenty of teams full of good players. It does not matter if we all pick biotic or tech classes or coordinate a mix or just do whatever we want, we will be fast and with few problems because we are experienced, barring some horrific incident like everyone gets simultaneously synckilled.

Playing with elite players encouraged me to get better by learning spawns and how to kill more efficiently and handle myself better; I did not throw a fit about "not finding things to kill."

[Credit2team]

Zero132132 wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

lazysundae wrote...

OP - 5 pages later you are still the only person saying that this is a good idea. We have given reason after reason why staying within 1 foot of each player is tactically insane, why solo kills would make many weapons obsolete, why dragging a game out to 40 minutes is boring, and why hoping someone else will properly explode your power is an exercise in frustration.

If you're not having fun, go play something else. If you're frustrated that everything is getting killed before you can get to it, go PUG or get better at finding spawns. If you want to play with your friends, crack some jokes and have fun with it - so what if you come in last??

I don't care about the sacore. i care about my flanks being uncovered. I care about teammates dying across the map. I care that there is nothong to do because somone has nuked the spawns on wave 1 with missles. Thats what I care about. the score is just a way of getting other players to play as they should. 

Your idea of 'should' can go **** itself. My idea of 'fun' shouldn't be punished just because whiners like you like to play differently.

And why should mine be punished for yours, consider that the current score system encorages YOUr style of play and discurages mine, perhaps the midlle solution is to remoce the scoreboard entirely. I'd be ok with that. 

[Nicksta92]

Pyroninja42 wrote...

I cannot even begin to enunciate how terrible an idea this is.

[d_nought]

UnknownMercenary wrote...

I still remember that time with Jay where he basically carried the team with an Incisor.

Come one, now, Jay's good, but I wouldn't let him carry me with an Incisor.

[lazysundae]

thewalrusx wrote...

lazysundae wrote...

OP - 5 pages later you are still the only person saying that this is a good idea. We have given reason after reason why staying within 1 foot of each player is tactically insane, why solo kills would make many weapons obsolete, why dragging a game out to 40 minutes is boring, and why hoping someone else will properly explode your power is an exercise in frustration.

If you're not having fun, go play something else. If you're frustrated that everything is getting killed before you can get to it, go PUG or get better at finding spawns. If you want to play with your friends, crack some jokes and have fun with it - so what if you come in last??

I don't care about the sacore. i care about my flanks being uncovered. I care about teammates dying across the map. I care that there is nothong to do because somone has nuked the spawns on wave 1 with missles. Thats what I care about. the score is just a way of getting other players to play as they should. 

According to how you want them to play, not how they should play.

Sometimes other players do stupid ****.  I got revived twice in to a Phantom blade yesterday.  Someone grabbed the pizza and ran it right in front of the turret.  And then there was the failpile revive circle in front of the same turret.  You're taking the way other people play so seriously.  Sometimes all you can do is laugh, and grab some friends and make your own entertainment.  That's usually when my friends and I end up doing all Volus melee runs, or try to figure out some cocked up way to survive the Reactor, or spend half a wave trying to line up a Brofist.

Just go have some fun.

[Tybo]

chipsandwich wrote...

UnknownMercenary wrote...

I still remember that time with Jay where he basically carried the team with an Incisor.

Come one, now, Jay's good, but I wouldn't let him carry me with an Incisor.

Have you ever played with Jay using the Incisor?  It's ridiculous.  I'm pretty sure he's better with the Incisor than the Black Widow.

[Credit2team]

Bryan Johnson wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

lazysundae wrote...

OP - 5 pages later you are still the only person saying that this is a good idea. We have given reason after reason why staying within 1 foot of each player is tactically insane, why solo kills would make many weapons obsolete, why dragging a game out to 40 minutes is boring, and why hoping someone else will properly explode your power is an exercise in frustration.

If you're not having fun, go play something else. If you're frustrated that everything is getting killed before you can get to it, go PUG or get better at finding spawns. If you want to play with your friends, crack some jokes and have fun with it - so what if you come in last??

I don't care about the sacore. i care about my flanks being uncovered. I care about teammates dying across the map. I care that there is nothong to do because somone has nuked the spawns on wave 1 with missles. Thats what I care about. the score is just a way of getting other players to play as they should. 

"The score is just a way of getting other players to play as they should."

There is no correct way to play

These is if I care about having fun, which i do. If the game ceases to be fun, why should I play it?

[Bryan Johnson]

@OP

Another question, how do you stop people from trolling? I put on adrenaline 3 with a drell and I can spend all day running away. Now your entire team has lower xp because I have negatively affected the team.

[Bryan Johnson]

thewalrusx wrote...

Bryan Johnson wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

lazysundae wrote...

OP - 5 pages later you are still the only person saying that this is a good idea. We have given reason after reason why staying within 1 foot of each player is tactically insane, why solo kills would make many weapons obsolete, why dragging a game out to 40 minutes is boring, and why hoping someone else will properly explode your power is an exercise in frustration.

If you're not having fun, go play something else. If you're frustrated that everything is getting killed before you can get to it, go PUG or get better at finding spawns. If you want to play with your friends, crack some jokes and have fun with it - so what if you come in last??

I don't care about the sacore. i care about my flanks being uncovered. I care about teammates dying across the map. I care that there is nothong to do because somone has nuked the spawns on wave 1 with missles. Thats what I care about. the score is just a way of getting other players to play as they should. 

"The score is just a way of getting other players to play as they should."

There is no correct way to play

These is if I care about having fun, which i do. If the game ceases to be fun, why should I play it?

You shouldn't

[d_nought]

tyhw wrote...

chipsandwich wrote...

UnknownMercenary wrote...

I still remember that time with Jay where he basically carried the team with an Incisor.

Come one, now, Jay's good, but I wouldn't let him carry me with an Incisor.

Have you ever played with Jay using the Incisor?  It's ridiculous.  I'm pretty sure he's better with the Incisor than the Black Widow.

Yes, I have. I remember that you were there too, and I was hosting. It was a long time ago though.

Modifié par chipsandwich, 29 janvier 2013 - 06:07 .

[LeandroBraz]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...


teamwork is overrated in this game, partially because the players made it this way.
if you stand around waiting for stuff, getting frustrated, this game might have evolved past you, youre never going to be able to make others play how you want them to.
might as well run around too and enjoy the game.

so your logic is players have made the game unfun so you should keep playing it and have the least fun possible?

as anyone who knows me well, they know I'm perfectly capable of soloing gold with just about any character. that doesn't make it fun to play. teamwork makes the game fun. If soloing is your thing, go solo. But keep teamplay as an essentaila part of playing with a team.  

fun is a subjective term, i mean the players have decided they dont want to stop and stand at the entrance of firebase reactor and wait for the waves to come to them, they want to use the entire level.
that's not soloing, thats playing the game.
when was the last time you played a gold pug and everyone just stood there, waiting to work together at wave 1?
People dont want to stand around and wait like firebase white.

Plus, every situation is different. For example, normally I don't run like crazy to the other side of reactor when the wave star, but I was with vorcha, I was happy, so I run to happiness. One Asari on my team understood that being behind of me, while I get the shots and she explode my flame was a good idea, so she came along, then in the next waves everyone was coming with me. Yeah I was playing like a id*ot, running alone and stuff, but the team used it in their favor insteady of sitting on the LZ and complaining about the stupid vorcha dying on the other side of the map. This kind of thing make this game fun... 

[Neurion19]

Oh, OP.




Ignore the guy and he will:

A) Go Away
Be banned for spam if he keeps reposting this most ridiculous of ideas

[Tybo]

chipsandwich wrote...

tyhw wrote...

chipsandwich wrote...

UnknownMercenary wrote...

I still remember that time with Jay where he basically carried the team with an Incisor.

Come one, now, Jay's good, but I wouldn't let him carry me with an Incisor.

Have you ever played with Jay using the Incisor?  It's ridiculous.  I'm pretty sure he's better with the Incisor than the Black Widow.

Yes, I have. I remember that you were there too, and I was hosting.

Ah yes, I vaguely remember that now...If I remember correctly, I was horrible that game.  Early in the morning +lag= bad Ty.

I was actually thinking of a more recent game with him where he was using it on a SI.  Me and Sirian spent the whole game running back and forth trying to find things to kill.

[BDaddy1968]

"These is if I care about having fun, which i do. If the game ceases to be fun, why should I play it?"

So if you're not having fun anymore, why are you still playing it?