I have seen more than hints that some people here doesn't like Wynne, and that some people even hate her. I don't know why, and I don't care to know why.
What I will say is that I love Wynne for the pearls of wisdom at the heart of almost every conversation with her. The beauty of them is how you can little you need to, for want of a better word, modify them to fit with real world concepts and situations. I find her conversations to be, if not educational or thought-provoking, comforting.
The philosophy of Wynne.
Débuté par
Thomas Andresen
, janv. 29 2013 07:08
Retour en haut
#3
Posté 29 janvier 2013 - 05:57
Gamer Ftw
-
- Members
- 917 messages
Well,That would work if she knew what the hell she was talking about.
She has lived in a tower most of her life,that makes her unqualified to give advice on grey wardens.
To me these pearls of wisdom are just "Hey listen to me I'm ancient so I must be wise."
When she lectured Leliana that "everyone fears opinions different than theirs." I wanted to straight up slap the wrinkles off her.
She has lived in a tower most of her life,that makes her unqualified to give advice on grey wardens.
To me these pearls of wisdom are just "Hey listen to me I'm ancient so I must be wise."
When she lectured Leliana that "everyone fears opinions different than theirs." I wanted to straight up slap the wrinkles off her.
Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 07 février 2013 - 09:17 .
#4
Posté 29 janvier 2013 - 06:37
MisterJB
-
- Members
- 15 587 messages
Dealing with the Templars and the Fraternities for decades, she'd know a thing or two about fear and differences of opinion.
What exactly is untrue about what she said?
What exactly is untrue about what she said?
#5
Posté 29 janvier 2013 - 08:04
ejoslin
-
- Members
- 11 745 messages
Her advice about Gray Wardens was more about her idealization of them as opposed to the cold, hard truths of the order -- of which she actually knew precious little. She also could get a bit preachy. And she was blinded to the issues of the circle it seems, given that she advised an apostate who had already been sentenced to death to return to the circle.
#6
Posté 29 janvier 2013 - 08:09
lyriumaddict104
-
- Members
- 43 messages
(On Wynne's comment). It depends on who Wynne was really talking about. Most of the time when we criticize others we're talking about something that's just as true in ourselves as the people we supposedly have a problem with. It's often hard to have something to say about another person and still be free of that fault ourselves. How else would Wynne know anything about that except from personal experience? It's one thing to witness and understand others' flaws and the underlying issues for any argument, and quite another to know enough about such things to offer someone else sage advice about them. Besides, even without knowing the full context of the conversation (assuming this was still a subtle criticism of Leliana), Wynne just sounds like she's picking the worst, most judgmental and least helpful thing to say to Leliana. If she wasn't attacking Leliana, then she's right.
I used to like Wynne. Now her apparent belief that she's the absolute authority on everything she talks about is getting to me. She thinks she decides whether the Warden is allowed to have a relationship. She isn't offering advice that we can just take or leave, as she claims, she is telling the Warden what to do and acts as if she knows everything about love. She isn't the Maker, she didn't create the universe or the world we live in, so she doesn't know any more than we do.
I used to like Wynne. Now her apparent belief that she's the absolute authority on everything she talks about is getting to me. She thinks she decides whether the Warden is allowed to have a relationship. She isn't offering advice that we can just take or leave, as she claims, she is telling the Warden what to do and acts as if she knows everything about love. She isn't the Maker, she didn't create the universe or the world we live in, so she doesn't know any more than we do.
Modifié par lyriumaddict104, 29 janvier 2013 - 08:17 .
#7
Posté 29 janvier 2013 - 08:15
MisterJB
-
- Members
- 15 587 messages
Perhaps her knowledge was limited but which of her advices about the Wardens failed to apply to the reality of the Order?
As for Aneirin, his sentence was 20 years ago. With Irving interceding on his behalf and Gregoir, a reasonable man, being the one in charge of the templars, chances are he could return without much problems.
Bethany spent 20 years or so in hiding and was accepted into a much stricter Circle.
As for Aneirin, his sentence was 20 years ago. With Irving interceding on his behalf and Gregoir, a reasonable man, being the one in charge of the templars, chances are he could return without much problems.
Bethany spent 20 years or so in hiding and was accepted into a much stricter Circle.
#8
Posté 29 janvier 2013 - 09:11
Blazomancer
-
- Members
- 1 322 messages
I like Wynne. She just seem to be like a granny giving words of advice to everyone around. Of course, she's a human being and may be she's wrong about many things. I understand when people dislike her, but 'hate' - i don't know.
#9
Posté 30 janvier 2013 - 05:33
Thomas Andresen
-
- Members
- 1 134 messages
I wrote what I wrote just to have expressed my opinions, and came back now to see what the responses were. It seems some of you expect me to defend myself, reinforce my opinions, and that I will not, because I am not here to argue.
What I envision when I see and speak to Wynne, is the well-meaning elderly woman sitting in a corner, knitting and casually handing out her opinions on life, the universe and everything. She may not always be right, and you'd be foolish to take everything she says at face value, but she says what she says with the best of intentions.
If you are insulted at what she tells you, or are insulted on behalf of others for what she says, then I got a song for you. It starts like this:
"Some of you might not agree
Because you probably likes a lot of misery
But think a while and you will see
Broken hearts are for ****s"
What I envision when I see and speak to Wynne, is the well-meaning elderly woman sitting in a corner, knitting and casually handing out her opinions on life, the universe and everything. She may not always be right, and you'd be foolish to take everything she says at face value, but she says what she says with the best of intentions.
If you are insulted at what she tells you, or are insulted on behalf of others for what she says, then I got a song for you. It starts like this:
"Some of you might not agree
Because you probably likes a lot of misery
But think a while and you will see
Broken hearts are for ****s"
#10
Posté 30 janvier 2013 - 03:14
Gamer Ftw
-
- Members
- 917 messages
Well a big part of my problem with her is she gets angry if you say she's wrong,which in my opinion is a sign of ignorance.
Like she considers herself the authority and doesn't think other people might have a valid point.
Plus she is a hypocrite "give your life to the wardens ad nothing else"
"oh,btw after you slay that Archdemon,come back to the prison tower and forget your duty to the wardens so you can make all the changes I could have already made"
Like she considers herself the authority and doesn't think other people might have a valid point.
Plus she is a hypocrite "give your life to the wardens ad nothing else"
"oh,btw after you slay that Archdemon,come back to the prison tower and forget your duty to the wardens so you can make all the changes I could have already made"
#11
Posté 30 janvier 2013 - 04:34
Addai
-
- Members
- 25 850 messages
No, but since you don't want to hear any other opinions but your own- hence my response.Thomas Andresen wrote...
I wrote what I wrote just to have expressed my opinions, and came back now to see what the responses were. It seems some of you expect me to defend myself, reinforce my opinions, and that I will not, because I am not here to argue.
Ok. Thanks for sharing?
#12
Posté 30 janvier 2013 - 05:45
mousestalker
-
- Members
- 16 945 messages
You are certainly entitled to think that. The kindly advisor role best suits a PC Cousland who romances Alistair or Leliana.
Wynne's conversations read a bit differently when you are playing an elf or a mage or especially if you romance Zevran.
Wynne's conversations read a bit differently when you are playing an elf or a mage or especially if you romance Zevran.
#13
Posté 02 février 2013 - 03:05
Jeffonl1
-
- Members
- 801 messages
Gamer Ftw wrote...
Well,That would work if she knew what the hell she was talking about.
She has lived in a tower most of her life,that makes her qualified to give advice on grey wardens.
To me these pearls of wisdom are just "Hey listen to me I'm ancient so I must be wise."
When she lectured Leliana that "everyone fears opinions different than theirs." I wanted to straight up slap the wrinkles off her.
As
(in the Return to Ostagar DLC after obtaining the "last" of Cailan's items)
- Alistair: There it is, the last of them.
- Wynne: (sigh) It has been a long day. By the lines around your eyes I dare say you look as old as I.
- Alistair: And if I may say so, milady, you appear to be getting younger by the day.
- Wynne: Be careful who you flirt with, young man. (chuckle) When you wake up beside me tomorrow morning I'll be back to reminding you of your grandmother.
- Alistair: Beside you?
- Wynne: You heard what I said. It would not be the first time I woke to a younger man in my bed.
- Alistair: Are all women this evil and conniving when they grow old?
- Wynne: Just me, my dear. (chuckle) Just me.
#14
Posté 04 février 2013 - 04:45
Klidi
-
- Members
- 790 messages
my elf mage who romances Zevran loves Wynne - as he would love his grandma. No, he doesn't enjoy her lectures (ike any normal teenager) but he's mature enough to realise she means well and gives him those lectures because she cares. And he secretly enjoys that there's a person who still cares for him as for a child - especially as every person he meets just piles up all their problems on him.
besides, when she tell Greagoir she wants to join the Warden, he says that she's always travelling; so it's not true that she was closed in the Tower her whole life and doesn't have any experience. Her advices about love are annoying, but knowing her background, I tend to believe she just wants to spare the Warden the same pain and disappointment. But when it becomes serious, she apologises - so she can admit that she was wrong.
and as for Wardens' secrets - well, they're not really that secret, are they? Anora knew about the Joining, for example. We can't say how much Wynne did or didn't know. That's left to the player's headcanon.
besides, when she tell Greagoir she wants to join the Warden, he says that she's always travelling; so it's not true that she was closed in the Tower her whole life and doesn't have any experience. Her advices about love are annoying, but knowing her background, I tend to believe she just wants to spare the Warden the same pain and disappointment. But when it becomes serious, she apologises - so she can admit that she was wrong.
and as for Wardens' secrets - well, they're not really that secret, are they? Anora knew about the Joining, for example. We can't say how much Wynne did or didn't know. That's left to the player's headcanon.
#15
Posté 04 février 2013 - 05:26
ejoslin
-
- Members
- 11 745 messages
Well, Wynne does say that there is only one mage allowed in the Gray Wardens at a time (if you use blood magic in the tower she brings this up when she decides to discuss this with you in front of the templars -- even in the vanilla game, she attempts to have the person who just saved the tower killed for using dark magic), and she's clearly wrong about that. Not only can a warden recruit two mages in Awakening, but in the Warden's Keep DLC, there are several warden mages there. But Wynne does speak with such authority when she says that.
I think wardens are supposed to be 20 years old (though the dwarf noble would have to be older than that), but they have a hell of a weight on them as it is. I guess for a mage it may not be inappropriate, taking on a mentor role (though if it's a blood mage she attempted to have charged with that, it's also inappropriate). But, for instance, a dwarf noble would have so much more information on how to rule than Wynne would that her lecture just comes off as silly and condescending. A human noble would probably have more training in that as well, just from sitting at her father's dinner table.
And when Wynne first confronts the warden about their love interest, the relationship IS serious. The LIs demand monogamy, for instance. Zevran actually opens up about something that he will only talk to a friend warden with after Taliesen. Yes, she does apologize after the approval hits "love," but it seems her concern at "adore" is the distraction, not the heart ache. And the warden can say something to her like, "Better to have pain now than later?"
I'm not saying that Wynne has ill intentions. She doesn't. But she is naggy.
I think wardens are supposed to be 20 years old (though the dwarf noble would have to be older than that), but they have a hell of a weight on them as it is. I guess for a mage it may not be inappropriate, taking on a mentor role (though if it's a blood mage she attempted to have charged with that, it's also inappropriate). But, for instance, a dwarf noble would have so much more information on how to rule than Wynne would that her lecture just comes off as silly and condescending. A human noble would probably have more training in that as well, just from sitting at her father's dinner table.
And when Wynne first confronts the warden about their love interest, the relationship IS serious. The LIs demand monogamy, for instance. Zevran actually opens up about something that he will only talk to a friend warden with after Taliesen. Yes, she does apologize after the approval hits "love," but it seems her concern at "adore" is the distraction, not the heart ache. And the warden can say something to her like, "Better to have pain now than later?"
I'm not saying that Wynne has ill intentions. She doesn't. But she is naggy.
