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[The Heretic of Time]

Sorry kids, but those are the rules. IT discussions are only allowed in the IT group. Those are the rules, as stated by Chris Priestly.There is no reason for you kids to throw a temper tantrum at me. I didn't make up these rules.

Play by the rules kids.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 29 janvier 2013 - 02:41 .

[Sebby]

masster blaster wrote...

Oh shut up HH. If these people wanted to report this thread they would have already done it.

What makes you think it hasn't happened?

[The Heretic of Time]

masster blaster wrote...

Oh shut up HH. If these people wanted to report this thread they would have already done it.

Which is exactly what happened. I expect Chris or Stan to take action soon.

[TurianRebel212]

I do not get why we can't discuss IT or any other theory or anything we want to ME3 related. It's strange. It encourages debate and new points of view. Whats so bad. There is no spam on this thread. It's about IT and that's what we've been discussing.

[Wayning_Star]

TurianRebel212 wrote...

I do not get why we can't discuss IT or any other theory or anything we want to ME3 related. It's strange. It encourages debate and new points of view. Whats so bad. There is no spam on this thread. It's about IT and that's what we've been discussing.

It's fan fiction.. end of line...as it were, or will be.

[Fawx9]

This is getting stupid.

IT, as an ending interpretation should be open for debate here.

I can understand them wanting to close stuff down that's simply theory speculation, as in what happens next. But shutting topics like this down is a disservice to everyone.

Debate can't happen in a closed room with no new opinions. At least this topic has a back and forth and more interesting than the 100th "This is why the endings suck" threads.

It also happens to be one of the most active threads, so I don't see the problem. People obviously want to talk about it.


As for the OP:

I think it's taken some heat because of the militant stance taken near the beginning of this mess. People who were upset basically split into literal and IT like groups. You also had the fewer, but still there, pro enders. Those who saw the ending as a mess but literal were being told on all sides that they just didn't get it, and that BioWare were genuis writers. As you can imagine this didn't really go over well. With the EC and Leviathan you've also had the literalists come back and say "Ha I told you so, you're crazy".

Both sides need to get over themselves. There's no reason to shut someone down just because they have a different opinion. Posts like, "You just don't see it" or "You're crazy, and in denial" don't help anything.

Modifié par Fawx9, 29 janvier 2013 - 03:00 .

[Obitim]

Hey there OP...

Looks like your attempt to show that either side is moderate has been overtaken by the zealots. It's a real shame as the discussion was fun but when people start throwing round phrases like 'It must be', 'There is no other way to look at it', 'There can be no dispute'.

I think it was nailed on the head by someone else:
MASS SPECULATION FROM EVERYBODY

[dorktainian]

Seboist wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Oh shut up HH. If these people wanted to report this thread they would have already done it.

What makes you think it hasn't happened?

nice here init?

Modifié par dorktainian, 29 janvier 2013 - 02:55 .

[dorktainian]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Oh shut up HH. If these people wanted to report this thread they would have already done it.

Which is exactly what happened. I expect Chris or Stan to take action soon.

and to think i used to like it on here....

[Enhanced]

Wayning_Star wrote...

TurianRebel212 wrote...

I do not get why we can't discuss IT or any other theory or anything we want to ME3 related. It's strange. It encourages debate and new points of view. Whats so bad. There is no spam on this thread. It's about IT and that's what we've been discussing.

It's fan fiction.. end of line...as it were, or will be.

This. The fact that they don't want I.T. threads in this forum is proof.

Modifié par Enhanced, 29 janvier 2013 - 03:00 .

[XxBrokenBonezxX]

Thanks for this. I've seen a lot of hate for IT since its inception, and it seems to picking up steam because of the last DLC(s) coming up. I'm a huge fan and supporter of the IT and dearly wish it were true, but I just can bring myself to believe in it completely. But you can tell by a lot of the posts on here are nothing more than blind, unfounded hatred for the IT.

[Obitim]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Sorry kids, but those are the rules. IT discussions are only allowed in the IT group. Those are the rules, as stated by Chris Priestly.There is no reason for you kids to throw a temper tantrum at me. I didn't make up these rules.

Play by the rules kids.

I'm not fussed if this is locked, however, your tone is pretty condescending...are you the milk monitor?

[Davik Kang]

Fawx9 wrote...
...As for the OP:

I think it's taken some heat because of the militant stance taken near the beginning of this mess. People who were upset basically split into literal and IT like groups. You also had the fewer, but still there, pro enders. Those who saw the ending as a mess but literal were being told on all sides that they just didn't get it, and that BioWare were genuis writers. As you can imagine this didn't really go over well. With the EC and Leviathan you've also had the literalists come back and say "Ha I told you so, you're crazy". 

Both sides need to get over themselves. There's no reason to shut someone down just because they have a different opinion. Posts like, "You just don't see it" or "You're crazy, and in denial" don't help anything. 

Yeah I agree, I think the initial fallout still hasn't been forgotten, and the emotional reaction to the ending still dictates how people react to this stuff.  It was pretty foolish and maybe arrogant of me to think I could change the status quo by removing the 'groups' and have each individual speaking for themselves again...

I think Bioware might like that too, which is one reason why I thought they might have killed the IT thread.  Maybe they want the fans to be one unit again with individual disagreements, rather than pro-enders, anti-enders, and ITers...

But it only takes one statement to be worded even slightly aggressively for a new impromptu Western-style bar brawl to begin

Obitim wrote...
Looks like your attempt to show that either side is moderate has been overtaken by the zealots.

Lol it's almost like the truth has spoken for itself really.  Ah well...

[Sebby]

XxBrokenBonezxX wrote...

Thanks for this. I've seen a lot of hate for IT since its inception, and it seems to picking up steam because of the last DLC(s) coming up. I'm a huge fan and supporter of the IT and dearly wish it were true, but I just can bring myself to believe in it completely. But you can tell by a lot of the posts on here are nothing more than blind, unfounded hatred for the IT.

On the contrary, a lot of the hatred for IT was generated by it's proponents with their pompous attitude of declaring their "interpretation" as the ONE TWUUF and childishly labeling others as "literalists" or "indoctrinated" and mocking other ending choices in their sigs.

I can assure you there wouldn't be even half as much hate if IT was really just A interepretation and not spread around as the gospel.

[dorktainian]

There are massive misconceptions about IT.

[dorktainian]

Seboist wrote...

XxBrokenBonezxX wrote...

Thanks for this. I've seen a lot of hate for IT since its inception, and it seems to picking up steam because of the last DLC(s) coming up. I'm a huge fan and supporter of the IT and dearly wish it were true, but I just can bring myself to believe in it completely. But you can tell by a lot of the posts on here are nothing more than blind, unfounded hatred for the IT.

On the contrary, a lot of the hatred for IT was generated by it's proponents with their pompous attitude of declaring their "interpretation" as the ONE TWUUF and childishly labeling others as "literalists" or "indoctrinated" and mocking other ending choices in their sigs.

I can assure you there wouldn't be even half as much hate if IT was really just A interepretation and not spread around as the gospel.

Then why are you here? If you dont like the question, then dont come here and troll.  simples.

[The Heretic of Time]

dorktainian wrote...

Seboist wrote...

XxBrokenBonezxX wrote...

Thanks for this. I've seen a lot of hate for IT since its inception, and it seems to picking up steam because of the last DLC(s) coming up. I'm a huge fan and supporter of the IT and dearly wish it were true, but I just can bring myself to believe in it completely. But you can tell by a lot of the posts on here are nothing more than blind, unfounded hatred for the IT.

On the contrary, a lot of the hatred for IT was generated by it's proponents with their pompous attitude of declaring their "interpretation" as the ONE TWUUF and childishly labeling others as "literalists" or "indoctrinated" and mocking other ending choices in their sigs.

I can assure you there wouldn't be even half as much hate if IT was really just A interepretation and not spread around as the gospel.

Then why are you here? If you dont like the question, then dont come here and troll.  simples.

He's not trolling however.

[CoolioThane]

Smeffects wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Some people think the Crucible is a trap placed by the Reapers. Y'know...making its existence make sense and why the Reapers let us position it...

Oh then how you counter my point about the fact that we learn during the game that even the prothean curcible project was destroyed... BY THE REAPERS? They sure worked hard to stop the trap from making them beat the prothean sooner?

Who do we learn that from?

Also, it was never implemented because there was infighting between groups who wanted to :

i) Destroy
ii) Control - these seperatists were indoctrinated

To me that's a pretty big POSITIVE for it being a trap/Control being an indoctrinated choice but meh, just me

brb off for a run

If its a trap, the indoctrinated wouldnt have destroy the prothean crucible... they would try to do exactly what the illusive man did. Tried to get it to dock as well and use it for himself. Thats exactly the problem of this part of the crucible is a trap or something the reaper wants. This cycle is the total opposite of the previous one?

Literal story solve this problem, both cycle the reapers dont want the crucible. But instead in literal, its really just reaper being pretty damn stupid evil guys. I mean i guess its forgivable, most story resolves in such a way.

The indoctrinated protheans DID want to use the Crucible to 'control' the Reapers...

[CoolioThane]

Wayning_Star wrote...

TurianRebel212 wrote...

I do not get why we can't discuss IT or any other theory or anything we want to ME3 related. It's strange. It encourages debate and new points of view. Whats so bad. There is no spam on this thread. It's about IT and that's what we've been discussing.

It's fan fiction.. end of line...as it were, or will be.

It's not Fan Fiction. It's a valid interpretation of the ending of the game, just like literal 

[Obitim]

Seboist wrote...

XxBrokenBonezxX wrote...

Thanks for this. I've seen a lot of hate for IT since its inception, and it seems to picking up steam because of the last DLC(s) coming up. I'm a huge fan and supporter of the IT and dearly wish it were true, but I just can bring myself to believe in it completely. But you can tell by a lot of the posts on here are nothing more than blind, unfounded hatred for the IT.

On the contrary, a lot of the hatred for IT was generated by it's proponents with their pompous attitude of declaring their "interpretation" as the ONE TWUUF and childishly labeling others as "literalists" or "indoctrinated" and mocking other ending choices in their sigs.

I can assure you there wouldn't be even half as much hate if IT was really just A interepretation and not spread around as the gospel.

Any chance you could also point out that not everyone who subscribes to IT does that?

Also to balance, the literalists do the same, he without sin and all that

[Fawx9]

Davik Kang wrote...

Fawx9 wrote...
...As for the OP:

I think it's taken some heat because of the militant stance taken near the beginning of this mess. People who were upset basically split into literal and IT like groups. You also had the fewer, but still there, pro enders. Those who saw the ending as a mess but literal were being told on all sides that they just didn't get it, and that BioWare were genuis writers. As you can imagine this didn't really go over well. With the EC and Leviathan you've also had the literalists come back and say "Ha I told you so, you're crazy". 

Both sides need to get over themselves. There's no reason to shut someone down just because they have a different opinion. Posts like, "You just don't see it" or "You're crazy, and in denial" don't help anything. 

Yeah I agree, I think the initial fallout still hasn't been forgotten, and the emotional reaction to the ending still dictates how people react to this stuff.  It was pretty foolish and maybe arrogant of me to think I could change the status quo by removing the 'groups' and have each individual speaking for themselves again...

I think Bioware might like that too, which is one reason why I thought they might have killed the IT thread.  Maybe they want the fans to be one unit again with individual disagreements, rather than pro-enders, anti-enders, and ITers...

But it only takes one statement to be worded even slightly aggressively for a new impromptu Western-style bar brawl to begin

Obitim wrote...
Looks like your attempt to show that either side is moderate has been overtaken by the zealots.

Lol it's almost like the truth has spoken for itself really.  Ah well...

Honsetly it would be more fun here if you were right. I refuse to use the stupid group setup(honestly BW get a new web layout) but miss reading all the fun stuff you guys picked up from the game.

It's kinda like the valve did their thing and put the radio messages in Portal and let the fans go nuts trying to decypher them. While it may not prove anything here, it's still an interesting process.

[dorktainian]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Seboist wrote...

XxBrokenBonezxX wrote...

Thanks for this. I've seen a lot of hate for IT since its inception, and it seems to picking up steam because of the last DLC(s) coming up. I'm a huge fan and supporter of the IT and dearly wish it were true, but I just can bring myself to believe in it completely. But you can tell by a lot of the posts on here are nothing more than blind, unfounded hatred for the IT.

On the contrary, a lot of the hatred for IT was generated by it's proponents with their pompous attitude of declaring their "interpretation" as the ONE TWUUF and childishly labeling others as "literalists" or "indoctrinated" and mocking other ending choices in their sigs.

I can assure you there wouldn't be even half as much hate if IT was really just A interepretation and not spread around as the gospel.

Then why are you here? If you dont like the question, then dont come here and troll.  simples.

He's not trolling however.

ok.  discuss it  in a reasonable manner then.  no problems that way.

[The Heretic of Time]

dorktainian wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Seboist wrote...

XxBrokenBonezxX wrote...

Thanks for this. I've seen a lot of hate for IT since its inception, and it seems to picking up steam because of the last DLC(s) coming up. I'm a huge fan and supporter of the IT and dearly wish it were true, but I just can bring myself to believe in it completely. But you can tell by a lot of the posts on here are nothing more than blind, unfounded hatred for the IT.

On the contrary, a lot of the hatred for IT was generated by it's proponents with their pompous attitude of declaring their "interpretation" as the ONE TWUUF and childishly labeling others as "literalists" or "indoctrinated" and mocking other ending choices in their sigs.

I can assure you there wouldn't be even half as much hate if IT was really just A interepretation and not spread around as the gospel.

Then why are you here? If you dont like the question, then dont come here and troll.  simples.

He's not trolling however.

ok.  discuss it  in a reasonable manner then.  no problems that way.

Sure, we're willing to discuss the IT in a reasonable manner... at the place where IT discussions belong, which is the IT group, not here.

[CosmicGnosis]

I'm not an IT supporter, but I think the complete ban of the interpretation in the main story forum is rather stupid. I have a visceral hatred of banning debate and discussion about anything.

[Smeffects]

CoolioThane wrote...

The indoctrinated protheans DID want to use the Crucible to 'control' the Reapers...

And another indotrinated faction destroyed it. As i explained about synthesis idea, its not something they support directly. Sovereign use the idea of synthesis on saren in order to control him with less indoctrination, to not debilitate him. He is a tool, he is not a symbiote. TIM is the same, the let him run with his idea of victory, control. This is not what they wanted all along, but he is opposing you, divide and conquer. He is but a tool to weaken people. As javik explain the cerberus like faction of his cycle was.  Thats why other indoctrinated people destroyed the crucible. Because indoctrination doesent give 1 goal to everyone and there are many level of indoctrination. That doesent show they want the curcible used, just that they want to devide as much as they can to conquer easily.

Modifié par Smeffects, 29 janvier 2013 - 03:27 .