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[CoolioThane]

I agree. Banning IT seems to have only caused more people to want to talk about it however. How strange

[Wayning_Star]

[/quote]ok.  discuss it  in a reasonable manner then.  no problems that way.[/quote]

Sure, we're willing to discuss the IT in a reasonable manner... at the place where IT discussions belong, which is the IT group, not here.[/quote]

inviting disaster is a strange way to avoid disaster?

[Grubas]

IT should be a legitimate way to interpret the game, exactly because bioware never officially dismissed it (IT).

Makes no sense to say its a legitimate interpretation and then banning IT-believers from the boards.

[Wayning_Star]

CoolioThane wrote...

I agree. Banning IT seems to have only caused more people to want to talk about it however. How strange

it's quite normal really, that's why the IT is so popular, not on it's merits so much, but the fun of discussion and pee contestings..lol

[Wayning_Star]

Grubas wrote...

IT should be a legitimate way to interpret the game, exactly because bioware never officially dismissed it (IT).

Makes no sense to say its a legitimate interpretation and then banning IT-believers from the boards.

unless it's wasting server time and/or isn't a legit interpretation?

[CoolioThane]

Smeffects wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

The indoctrinated protheans DID want to use the Crucible to 'control' the Reapers...

And another indotrinated faction destroyed it. As i explained about synthesis idea, its not something they support directly. Sovereign use the idea of synthesis on saren in order to control him with less indoctrination, to not debilitate him. He is a tool, he is not a symbiote. TIM is the same, the let him run with his idea of victory, control. This is not what they wanted all along, but he is opposing you, divide and conquer. He is but a tool to weaken people. As javik explain the cerberus like faction of his cycle was.  Thats why other indoctrinated people destroyed the crucible. Because indoctrination doesent give 1 goal to everyone and there are many level of indoctrination. They dont want the curcible used, they just want to devide as much as they can to conquer easily.

The Crucible itself can be said to be a "tool". Think about it, the Reapers are getting all the races to put all their eggs in one basket. Easy to crush. Noone is saying indoctrination is a simple, one-goal process, though it kind of is - in that it furthers the Reapers' goals.

Again, it's guessing. We don't know whether the Crucible is a trap or not, as we don't know if the ending is true or if IT is. It all depends on the interpretation, and as this is the case, I don't think either of us are going to convince the other! 

[Wayning_Star]

I am Commander Shepard and I promote saving IT'er from idoctrination attempts..by IT'ers...

[Smeffects]

Grubas wrote...

IT should be a legitimate way to interpret the game, exactly because bioware never officially dismissed it (IT).

Makes no sense to say its a legitimate interpretation and then banning IT-believers from the boards.

They never said it was a legitimate interpretation of the ending, they simply also never said it was not. Both are simular, but not exactly the same.

Thats why they restrained IT to their group. They arent banning people, just closing threads. Again they did not ever legitimize IT has an interpretation of the game, they simply never stated otherwise directly. Can be removal of IT here be some kind of answer? Who knows? Unless they finally speak one way or another, only their actions matter.

[Wayning_Star]

[/quote]

The Crucible itself can be said to be a "tool". Think about it, the Reapers are getting all the races to put all their eggs in one basket. Easy to crush. Noone is saying indoctrination is a simple, one-goal process, though it kind of is - in that it furthers the Reapers' goals.

Again, it's guessing. We don't know whether the Crucible is a trap or not, as we don't know if the ending is true or if IT is. It all depends on the interpretation, and as this is the case, I don't think either of us are going to convince the other! 



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why does the crucible change the catalyst to four seperate choices if only one is necessary to upend the catalyst?

the arguements can go on forever, that's the basis for IT, there is NO answers there..we win..yay!

[CoolioThane]

Wayning_Star wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I agree. Banning IT seems to have only caused more people to want to talk about it however. How strange

it's quite normal really, that's why the IT is so popular, not on it's merits so much, but the fun of discussion and pee contestings..lol

One could say, if it is normal for this thing to happen...why would they risk more people talking about it if it wasn't true. 

Not saying IT is 100% true here, that'd be silly and rude. 

That's your opinion, that IT has no merit, but I think hundreds of other people would disagree with you mate  Just because we have fun discussing it doesn't mean it is not true. Continue to be rude about the IT, as valid an interpretation as literal :happy:

[CoolioThane]

Smeffects wrote...

Grubas wrote...

IT should be a legitimate way to interpret the game, exactly because bioware never officially dismissed it (IT).

Makes no sense to say its a legitimate interpretation and then banning IT-believers from the boards.

They never said it was a legitimate interpretation of the ending, they simply also never said it was not. Both are simular, but not exactly the same.

Thats why they restrained IT to their group. They arent banning people, just closing threads. Again they did not ever legitimize IT has an interpretation of the game, they simply never stated otherwise directly. Can be removal of IT here be some kind of answer? Who knows? Unless they finally speak one way or another, only their actions matter.

INCORRECT. It has been stated on  numerous occasions that the IT is a valid interpretation of the game. Don't spread lies.

[Grubas]

Smeffects wrote...

Grubas wrote...

IT should be a legitimate way to interpret the game, exactly because bioware never officially dismissed it (IT).

Makes no sense to say its a legitimate interpretation and then banning IT-believers from the boards.

They never said it was a legitimate interpretation of the ending, they simply also never said it was not. Both are simular, but not exactly the same.

Thats why they restrained IT to their group. They arent banning people, just closing threads. Again they did not ever legitimize IT has an interpretation of the game, they simply never stated otherwise directly. Can be removal of IT here be some kind of answer? Who knows? Unless they finally speak one way or another, only their actions matter.

They legitimized it the day they said its one way to see it. They never dissmised IT. So IT is on par with literal interpretation.

On top of that: There has never ever been an official interpretation of the endings. So IT is as good as any other. And there is no point in restraining only this one, while there are still new people coming willing to discuss it.

Modifié par Grubas, 29 janvier 2013 - 03:35 .

[Wayning_Star]

CoolioThane wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I agree. Banning IT seems to have only caused more people to want to talk about it however. How strange

it's quite normal really, that's why the IT is so popular, not on it's merits so much, but the fun of discussion and pee contestings..lol

One could say, if it is normal for this thing to happen...why would they risk more people talking about it if it wasn't true. 

Not saying IT is 100% true here, that'd be silly and rude. 

That's your opinion, that IT has no merit, but I think hundreds of other people would disagree with you mate  Just because we have fun discussing it doesn't mean it is not true. Continue to be rude about the IT, as valid an interpretation as literal :happy:

I'm saying that IT is 110% incorrect for obvious reasons, and its based on the concept of IT it's self. A mis communication between the user and the interface. There's NO mystery at all to it. It's plain incorrect.

Why should anyone commend a falsity is beyond me, other than the kicks'n giggles of controversy where there simply isn't any... unless contrived.

I don't mean this in a mean way, its just time to resolve the issue and not replay silly mistrepresentations as factuals.

[CoolioThane]

Don't forget if anyone is interested in talking Mass Effect with/without IT with no risk of IT-related threads being locked down, come on over to http://indoctrinatio...orumotion.co.uk

[Obitim]

Smeffects wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

The indoctrinated protheans DID want to use the Crucible to 'control' the Reapers...

And another indotrinated faction destroyed it. As i explained about synthesis idea, its not something they support directly. Sovereign use the idea of synthesis on saren in order to control him with less indoctrination, to not debilitate him. He is a tool, he is not a symbiote. TIM is the same, the let him run with his idea of victory, control. This is not what they wanted all along, but he is opposing you, divide and conquer. He is but a tool to weaken people. As javik explain the cerberus like faction of his cycle was.  Thats why other indoctrinated people destroyed the crucible. Because indoctrination doesent give 1 goal to everyone and there are many level of indoctrination. That doesent show they want the curcible used, just that they want to devide as much as they can to conquer easily.

But what evidence in game do you have of that?

[Wayning_Star]

I've been online for 20+ years and can tell when users are getting trolled en mass..and IT is exactly that.

the joke is on you...not really funny either or entertaining.

[simonphoenix]

at some point the last piece of DLC is going to be released, if it is not IT then some people will have to accept that it was never intended to be a part of the narrative.

[CoolioThane]

Wayning_Star wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I agree. Banning IT seems to have only caused more people to want to talk about it however. How strange

it's quite normal really, that's why the IT is so popular, not on it's merits so much, but the fun of discussion and pee contestings..lol

One could say, if it is normal for this thing to happen...why would they risk more people talking about it if it wasn't true. 

Not saying IT is 100% true here, that'd be silly and rude. 

That's your opinion, that IT has no merit, but I think hundreds of other people would disagree with you mate  Just because we have fun discussing it doesn't mean it is not true. Continue to be rude about the IT, as valid an interpretation as literal :happy:

Wayning_Star wrote...
I'm saying that IT is 110% incorrect for obvious reasons, and its based on the concept of IT it's self. A mis communication between the user and the interface. There's NO mystery at all to it. It's plain incorrect.

Why should anyone commend a falsity is beyond me, other than the kicks'n giggles of controversy where there simply isn't any... unless contrived.

I don't mean this in a mean way, its just time to resolve the issue and not replay silly mistrepresentations as factuals.

Lol, who's the one being prescriptive and talking in definites? You, my friend. There are non-literal bits in the game, and it's not incorrect as we've been told by Bioware hundreds of times it's as valid as literal.

Well, it's not a falsity, as again, it's as valid as literal. So hundreds follow the IT way of thinking. Don't know why some people don't get this.

Well, of course you don't mean it in a mean way, you are just ignoring the facts. 

[Davik Kang]

Fawx9 wrote...
Honsetly it would be more fun here if you were right. I refuse to use the stupid group setup(honestly BW get a new web layout) but miss reading all the fun stuff you guys picked up from the game. 

It's kinda like the valve did their thing and put the radio messages in Portal and let the fans go nuts trying to decypher them. While it may not prove anything here, it's still an interesting process.

Well there's loads of interesting stuff in the games and it certainly wasn't just IT thread regulars who found it.  I guess one thing that was nice about the IT thread is that it was a place where people would keep finding interesting stuff... a lot of other very interesting threads don't last very long because there aren't enough 'regulars' to keep them going.

E.g. MegaSovereign, CosmicGnosis, MyChemicalBromance, Gervaise and many many others posted loads of interesting topics, but they got very quickly buried without the 'identity' that IT had to keep them going.

It's a shame that kind of stuff gets lost amongst the "Never again, BiowarEA!!" and "WHY, BIOWARE, WHY???????" type threads.

Modifié par Davik Kang, 29 janvier 2013 - 03:43 .

[CoolioThane]

simonphoenix wrote...

at some point the last piece of DLC is going to be released, if it is not IT then some people will have to accept that it was never intended to be a part of the narrative.

Not necessarily. Until there is a canon end for ME3, we will never know. If there is never a canon ending, and we get no sequels, IT will be just as valid 

[Wayning_Star]

Davik Kang wrote...

Fawx9 wrote...
Honsetly it would be more fun here if you were right. I refuse to use the stupid group setup(honestly BW get a new web layout) but miss reading all the fun stuff you guys picked up from the game. 

It's kinda like the valve did their thing and put the radio messages in Portal and let the fans go nuts trying to decypher them. While it may not prove anything here, it's still an interesting process.

Well there's loads of interesting stuff in the games and it certainly wasn't just IT thread regulars who found it.  I guess one thing that was nice about the IT thread is that it was a place where people would keep finding interesting stuff... a lot of other very interesting threads don't last very long because there aren't enough 'regulars' to keep them going.

E.g. MegaSovereign, CosmicGnosis, MyChemicalBromance, Gervaise and many many others posted loads of interesting topics, but they got very quickly buried without the 'identity' that IT had to keep them going.

It's a shame that kind of stuff gets lost amongst the "Never again, BiowarEA!!" and "WHY, BIOWARE, WHY???????" type threads.

I bet no one here actually knows who started the IT...never will either.

[CoolioThane]

Wayning_Star wrote...

I've been online for 20+ years and can tell when users are getting trolled en mass..and IT is exactly that.

the joke is on you...not really funny either or entertaining.

That is your opinion. "Joke"...in that we think a game series ended in a different way to you...okay. I find IT very entertaining and think ME3 is a masterpiece 

[CoolioThane]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

Fawx9 wrote...
Honsetly it would be more fun here if you were right. I refuse to use the stupid group setup(honestly BW get a new web layout) but miss reading all the fun stuff you guys picked up from the game. 

It's kinda like the valve did their thing and put the radio messages in Portal and let the fans go nuts trying to decypher them. While it may not prove anything here, it's still an interesting process.

Well there's loads of interesting stuff in the games and it certainly wasn't just IT thread regulars who found it.  I guess one thing that was nice about the IT thread is that it was a place where people would keep finding interesting stuff... a lot of other very interesting threads don't last very long because there aren't enough 'regulars' to keep them going.

E.g. MegaSovereign, CosmicGnosis, MyChemicalBromance, Gervaise and many many others posted loads of interesting topics, but they got very quickly buried without the 'identity' that IT had to keep them going.

It's a shame that kind of stuff gets lost amongst the "Never again, BiowarEA!!" and "WHY, BIOWARE, WHY???????" type threads.

I bet no one here actually knows who started the IT...never will either.

Byne started the threads on BSN. That's pretty common knowledge mate.

ITers believe Bioware started the IT 

[mrcanada]

TurianRebel212 wrote...

Misconception: That Shepard is indoctrinated. Wrong. Shep's not indoctrinated. It's a battle of wills. The final choice is if he becomes indoctrinated or not.

I can't tell you how many times I've told people about IT and they say 'well he can't be indoctrinated, cause vendetta would have detected him on thessia. Wrong. The end game is Sheps test. Much like a 'crucible' is.

Also, and this is a major one: Shepard can't be indoctrinated. No where in the lore, narrative, codex anywhere does it state that Shep is immune to indoctrination. Shep is an organic. And all organics can succumb to indoctrination.

[Smeffects]

CoolioThane wrote...

The Crucible itself can be said to be a "tool". Think about it, the Reapers are getting all the races to put all their eggs in one basket. Easy to crush. Noone is saying indoctrination is a simple, one-goal process, though it kind of is - in that it furthers the Reapers' goals.

Again, it's guessing. We don't know whether the Crucible is a trap or not, as we don't know if the ending is true or if IT is. It all depends on the interpretation, and as this is the case, I don't think either of us are going to convince the other! 

Which i also explain in my first post. If their idea for the crucible is not a trap, but a way to waste ressources, they had a much better way to do so once the citadel is captured. Its closing the relays. Its not like they had any chance to lose to our cycle aside from the crucible. Theres thousands of  reapers according to the codex, the total galaxy fleet doesent even have 100 dreadnaught before they attacked, how many were lost before the sword fleet?