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[Herr Uhl]

 Some questions:

1. Are they mammals?

2. Have they invaded and converted any lands before going to Thedas, barring their homeland?

3. What do their females look like?

4. Do they have a similar life-cycle as humans?

[Inzhuna]

Hmm, interesting questions. I think
1. Not sure.. Just yesterday Sten said 'that's the difference between you and me. qunari are men not animals'
2. Seems so
3. edit: They have strong teeth
4. Probably longer. Sten did mention he could endure long periods without food or water.

Modifié par Inzhuna, 09 janvier 2010 - 09:22 .

[Kavva]

If you have Sten and Morrigan in party - they have an interesting conversation regarding Qunari females

[TSamee]

Qunari-

1. Let's hope, or all the women screaming for a Sten romance are going to feel a mite weird when he pulls out his Diminutive Tool of Egg Fertilisation...

2. I'm sure they've invaded and converted smaller countries. There's a codex on one of them, I think you find it on the counter in the Pearl. The place has been converted so strongly to the Qun, and is so far removed from the modern world, that they blatantly reject all "modern" and progressive ideas. So yes, they have, at least once. The Qunari nation might be made up of smaller, conquered countries, not sure. It's not tough to believe, as they're all so utterly badass.

3. No idea. But let's look at this... Definitely have white hair, as it's racial pigmentation. The Qun has some rather strong ideals on female independence (rather close to the modern-day interpretations of Islam, might I add. I know this, I'm a Muslim. It's only an interpretation, mind you, and I don't like it at all...), so I doubt that their females would be muscled-up tanks. So, all we've got so far is white hair, not-muscly, possibly slim profile, again due to the Qun's ideals. Sounds pretty hot so far XD

Problem is, most of em would be broken and submissive. Sucks

4. Let's hope it's earlier. I couldn't live with Sten becoming a wise old man with a beard
while the taint comes along and consumes my ass. To be honest, I'm hoping his resting heart rate will shoot up when I train him as a berserker, and thus, his heart eventually unable to take the strain, he will die young.

[ReubenLiew]

I wouldn't be so sure that the females aren't strong.

If they weren't at least stupidly tough, they wouldn't survive the mating, and the female is required to survive the process since she's the one having the baby. The male is expendable.

[Inzhuna]

Also, I don;t think they're submissive and broken. I just can't imagine a Qunari, even female, being broken and submissive. Also, women can be priests and priests are highly respected. The priests determine a child's course of life, they mark the births and passings of all Qunari,

[ReubenLiew]

Actually I'm beginning to think Qunari are actually Yautja from the Predator series O_o.

[TSamee]

Sten straight-up tell female PCs that it's rare to see a woman in a strong positions like hers in his home country. Think of it like this (the Islam comparison makes it easier for me to explain):

In Islam, women are respected hugely as mothers, mothers are sacred ground, and must (usually) be obeyed. However, the status quo at the time was the women stayed at home looking after children, and the men went out to earn money/get food, provide for the family, etc. Thus, the provider is looked upon as superior, as (just my opinion here) the people who were interpreting religious texts, etc. were male, and at the time males generally didn't understand the importance of motherhood. Thus, females were viewed by those preaching as inferior, and thus others viewed them as such too.

I'm assuming that, in the Qunari nation, they've got similar problems. I'm sure their women are damn tough stuff, but culture forbids them from truly being something a male can be, and their personalities have been moulded accordingly.

Modifié par TSamee, 09 janvier 2010 - 09:45 .

[Herr Uhl]

I thought that he said that they are not warriors, probably due to being less apt at being that. And they have no families, they are known by what they are, which is chosen at a young age.

So there is no Qunari housewives. Well, their raisers could be female.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 09 janvier 2010 - 09:47 .

[TSamee]

w00t! I haven't really got to know Sten, so thanks for that. I understand that they're probably less apt at fighting, but if the occasional badass woman comes along, I get the feeling that she won't be accepted by the male warrior community, as there're cultural restraints against it that have developed over time.

The "no families" thing, I understand, but their matron-type things could still be female, as females can be more compassionate than males, particularly at a young age, and their occupation for life is chosen at that point.

Still, white hair, shapes can vary... sounds good to me.

Modifié par TSamee, 09 janvier 2010 - 09:58 .

[Basil Hallward]

1. Well, they do flip out and kill people, much like ninjas, so probably yes.



2. A more interesting question is, who or what drove them out of their homeland?



3. One of the (in-game) books state that qunari females look obviously different from the males. I would assume, then, that they look like human females, only bigger and with the qunari hair and skin coloration.



4. I don't even know what you mean by that question. Do they reproduce sexually? Do the women give live birth? Are their lifespans the same length as humans'? I would assume so, until given some reason to think otherwise.

[Inzhuna]

Children are raised by priests, 'tamrassen'. there are NO families. Females can be priests, quoting directly from Sten. So they can be in position of power, just not warriors. He wasn't saying the female was a lesser being or she wasn't able to do something. He thinks women are not supposed to be warriors, it's not their role to fulfil. That does not mean qunari don't respect their women,

[Herr Uhl]

Basil Hallward wrote...
2. A more interesting question is, who or what drove them out of their homeland?

That I know, they weren't driven out, they spread. Why? To spread the light of the Qun.

Is Par Vollen connected to their place of originating though?

[Stuffy38]

Herr Uhl wrote...

 Some questions:

1. Are they mammals?

2. Have they invaded and converted any lands before going to Thedas, barring their homeland?

3. What do their females look like?

4. Do they have a similar life-cycle as humans?

1. I'd strongly suspect they were mammals.  Look up what determines whether an organism is a mammal - it's hair and sweat glands present and differentiated cortex in the brain IIRC.  Sten's got hair, and there is a conversation where Shale comments on the sweat glistening on Sten's muscles.

2. Yep, there's codex entries about that sort of thing, and also Leliana mentions that they were as far south as Tevinter, Rivain and Antiva.  Par Vollen, the island where Sten comes from, is not supposed to be the Qunari homeland.

3. NFI.  White haired I would guess.  I dunno why TSamee is trotting out all the islamic rubbish about women but that's for gullible people I guess.

4. You mean Birth - Childhood - Adult - death with some half steps inbetween?  Or if you mean life span then I'd say longer, but not by much, maybe a decade.

[Herr Uhl]

Stuffy38 wrote...
2. Yep, there's codex entries about that sort of thing, and also Leliana mentions that they were as far south as Tevinter, Rivain and Antiva.  Par Vollen, the island where Sten comes from, is not supposed to be the Qunari homeland.

All those, except Par Vollen is a part of Thedas. They have not been in Par Vollen for a long time though (about 300 years), so unless they spontaneously spawned from a swamp there, I'd guess that they are from somewhere else.

Stuffy38 wrote...
4. You mean Birth - Childhood - Adult - death with some half steps inbetween?  Or if you mean life span then I'd say longer, but not by much, maybe a decade.

Well, I meant the way they age in general. Do they grow old in a similar way as humans, and do they live for a similar span of time.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 09 janvier 2010 - 10:18 .

[TSamee]

Inzhuna wrote...

Children are raised by priests, 'tamrassen'. there are NO families. Females can be priests, quoting directly from Sten. So they can be in position of power, just not warriors. He wasn't saying the female was a lesser being or she wasn't able to do something. He thinks women are not supposed to be warriors, it's not their role to fulfil. That does not mean qunari don't respect their women,

I'm not so sure, though your views make a damn sight more sense than mine. I get the feeling that Sten is a staunch follower of the Qun, and believes that women are to be respected. However, there may be Qunari who use the religion as an excuse to achieve their own ends, and thus twist the meaning of the Qun to achieve power over others. Because religion is such a prevalent force in the Qunari nation, it's an obvious method for people to control others, as they will likely accept it. I'm probably wrong in doing this, but think modern-day Islamic extemism (or Christian extremism, that works too).

So, in theory, all women are to be respected and considered equal to men, but in practice, to achieve other ends, or purely because of a high-ranking religious official's personal beliefs, etc, there are sects who regard women as inferior, because of what they believe to be the Qun.

Because religion binds it together so strongly, and there are so many ways of enterpreting religion, I get the feeling that the Qunari homeland isn't as united as we think it is. With religion comes interpretation, with interpretation comes divisions of opinion. With divisions comes conflict. Unless the orthodox followers of the Qun destroy other sects, with no exceptions, there are guaranteed to be serious conflicts of belief in the Qunari nation.

[TSamee]

Stuffy38 wrote...

3. NFI.  White haired I would guess.  I dunno why TSamee is trotting out all the islamic rubbish about women but that's for gullible people I guess.

Mate, I personally don't believe any of this, but this is, sadly, the current state of affairs in my religion. Religion (respect women, etc.) and culture (women have to stay home and cook and all that bull) have clashed, with disastrous results. I'm merely comparing the Qun to Islam here because I felt there was a striking resemblance between the two religions (at least, in theory). I feel that I'm mistaken now (seriously), and am sorry for spouting my "Islamic rubbish" in a thread that has been graced by your presence.
Thank you, and forgive me, for I am a mere, fallible mortal

[jon 45]

TSamee wrote...

So, in theory, all women are to be respected and considered equal to men, but in practice, to achieve other ends, or purely because of a high-ranking religious official's personal beliefs, etc, there are sects who regard women as inferior, because of what they believe to be the Qun.

The Qun is an atheistic ideology. It's simply a set of rules that says "this is how the world should work", but it's justification lies not in the believe of some supernatural entity. Qunari consider such believes foolish.

Sten's comment about women isn't specifically about women not being allowed to be warriors, it's about the fact that in the Qun everyone gets their role assigned to them (and nobody is ever allowed to change their role. Theoretically this should never even occur to them, as the role assigned them by the Qun is the only one that makes sense for them) and his confusion about the fact that in other parts of the world this isn't the case. The role of warrior is not available to women, presumably there are other roles that are exclusive to female Qunari. It is no about "worth" or regarding one sex as "superior" to the other. Unless you consider warriors superior to, say, teachers (just as an example), in which case you are projecting your value system on the Qunari.

Modifié par jon 45, 09 janvier 2010 - 10:31 .

[TSamee]

I, personally, don't, I'm just saying that human beings can use ideologies to manipulate others. Obviously, I know far too little about the Qunari as a race to participate effectively in this discussion, so I'll bugger off for a bit. Sorry for showing you all how inept I am.

[Herr Uhl]

TSamee wrote...

I, personally, don't, I'm just saying that human beings can use ideologies to manipulate others. Obviously, I know far too little about the Qunari as a race to participate effectively in this discussion, so I'll bugger off for a bit. Sorry for showing you all how inept I am.

This is a pretty interesting read if you have not read it yet: http://social.biowar...ndex.php/Qunari 

Though, bear in mind that it is written by brother Genitivi. Whom is anti-Qun.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 09 janvier 2010 - 11:02 .

[TSamee]

Ah... I see. I think I only found one part of that codex entry, and just assumed all of the unknowns. Stupid me, then. Thanks a lot, I finally sort-of get things now.

[Placate Decency]

Sten would be crap in a porno
So reproduction would seem like a task to them.
The way Sten talks about the Arishok  could make them the wise old leaders and Sten could possibly become one in his later years.
They seem hardier than your average species so they probably live longer.

Modifié par Placate Decency, 09 janvier 2010 - 01:49 .

[ejoslin]

I had to beat Sten up in haven

[jon 45]

ejoslin wrote...

I had to beat Sten up in haven

Don't worry about it. He kinda likes it.

[TSamee]

Though it's very likely to happen, I'm uncomfortable with the image of Sten in robes, fondly telling his grandchildren of how he killed an Archdemon, ending a Blight, while my PC is sitting in a cave somewhere, slowly being driven insane by the Taint. Oh well.