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[Sutekh]

Note to self: Next time there's a thread related to something I don't like or don't care about, make sure to post there and let the world know, even if it's off topic. Actually, especially if it's off topic.

On topic:

Not sure I like the idea. It sure can make for good drama but the writing needs to be quite solid lest it turn into a soap. Also, I don't deal well with betrayal.

Unless we can do something about it. Like having the unfaithful one accidentally run into the murder knife. Possibly several times.

[LPPrince]

Navasha wrote...

Nope. Terrible idea for me at least. I would never engage in a relationship with someone who is otherwise already "spoken" for. I also would not tolerate a partner who suddenly seeks anothers affections. Those kinds of people are just "damaged" goods and not worth the time even talking to anymore.

Hence, if they do ever decide to include that in the game, they better have a way of disposing of that character quickly and permanently from the game. Either my darker characters off them, or the good characters can banish them from the game in some other permanent way so as they are never seen again.

See? Roleplay.

Thats the kind of emotion they want out of gamers.

[H. Birdman]

Jesus, some folks are just obsessed with awkward cartoon sex I guess.

I mean, it's one thing to have a possible romance that fits seamlessly into a strong plot. But you guys want to turn it into a dating sim where everything that moves is a bisexual target for your lust. ("I can't have a threesome with any two party members I choose??? The game was shipped UNFINISHED and BROKEN!!!")

Let me elaborate. I can't stab dragons in real life. You can, however, get a real date. And as a bonus, unlike DA romances, there is at least a chance a real date won't be a forced, weirdly voyeuristic experience that makes you feel dirty afterward. Another bonus: You getting a date doesn't require BioWare to assign literally every person in the world a personality trait (bisexuality) that only about 1% of the population typically has.

So, dating. Try it some time. And let Bioware focus more on the dragon stabbing, high-adventure stuff, okay?

[Ferretinabun]

I think it's an interesting romance option.

Repeat: option. Don't approve? Don't have you PC follow up on it.

[themikefest]

I like the idea
will it happen? probably not

[ReallyRue]

H. Birdman wrote...

Jesus, some folks are just obsessed with awkward cartoon sex I guess.

I mean, it's one thing to have a possible romance that fits seamlessly into a strong plot. But you guys want to turn it into a dating sim where everything that moves is a bisexual target for your lust. ("I can't have a threesome with any two party members I choose??? The game was shipped UNFINISHED and BROKEN!!!")

Let me elaborate. I can't stab dragons in real life. You can, however, get a real date. And as a bonus, unlike DA romances, there is at least a chance a real date won't be a forced, weirdly voyeuristic experience that makes you feel dirty afterward. Another bonus: You getting a date doesn't require BioWare to assign literally every person in the world a personality trait (bisexuality) that only about 1% of the population typically has.

So, dating. Try it some time. And let Bioware focus more on the dragon stabbing, high-adventure stuff, okay?

Feeling superior?

For the record, bisexuality doesn't equal sleeping with everything that moves. It's actually rather irrelevant to the topic at hand, which is cheating/adultery. Nice to see you made a charming connection between the two, though.

[Battlebloodmage]

H. Birdman wrote...

Jesus, some folks are just obsessed with awkward cartoon sex I guess.

I mean, it's one thing to have a possible romance that fits seamlessly into a strong plot. But you guys want to turn it into a dating sim where everything that moves is a bisexual target for your lust. ("I can't have a threesome with any two party members I choose??? The game was shipped UNFINISHED and BROKEN!!!")

Let me elaborate. I can't stab dragons in real life. You can, however, get a real date. And as a bonus, unlike DA romances, there is at least a chance a real date won't be a forced, weirdly voyeuristic experience that makes you feel dirty afterward. Another bonus: You getting a date doesn't require BioWare to assign literally every person in the world a personality trait (bisexuality) that only about 1% of the population typically has.

So, dating. Try it some time. And let Bioware focus more on the dragon stabbing, high-adventure stuff, okay?

Somehow, it all comes back to the bisexual thing.

[Battlebloodmage]

I would like that. Every romance in DA has been pretty standard and within the box. Becoming a homewrecker does sound fun.

[Sutekh]

H. Birdman wrote...

Jesus, some folks are just obsessed with awkward cartoon sex I guess.

And funnily enough, you're the only one mentioning sex in this thread.

Some people like romance for the roleplaying aspect, but roleplaying? In an RPG? Boggles the mind, I know.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

LPPrince wrote...

Navasha wrote...

Nope. Terrible idea for me at least. I would never engage in a relationship with someone who is otherwise already "spoken" for. I also would not tolerate a partner who suddenly seeks anothers affections. Those kinds of people are just "damaged" goods and not worth the time even talking to anymore.

Hence, if they do ever decide to include that in the game, they better have a way of disposing of that character quickly and permanently from the game. Either my darker characters off them, or the good characters can banish them from the game in some other permanent way so as they are never seen again.

See? Roleplay.

Thats the kind of emotion they want out of gamers.

Then maybe DA2 was a good game afterall because just about everything everyone did made me want to cast them out of my game.

I see what you're trying to get at but having a character that makes you angry might not be the best thing. What if you were enjoying the game and all of a sudden that happens and it ruins the game for you? Adding something that is more likely to anger fans rather then cause enjoyment is never a good buisness strategy.

[LPPrince]

Thats why the way I thought it would happen would be a player initiated romance, meaning the PC is coming on to the taken character, and it just so happens to be reciprocated. Enter all the hidden intrigue, secrecy, the inevitable reveal, etc etc.

That way, if it all fails, the player walked into it themselves. Those are the risks for pursuing a dangerous and shady romance path.

I'd actually LIKE to play a character that goes for someone who's taken but no matter what happens can't end up happily ever after with them because well, cheating is bad. I'd never do that sort of thing in reality, but the ability to explore it in game would be pretty ace.

Written correctly, it'd be amazing.

[Fast Jimmy]

LPPrince wrote...

Thats why the way I thought it would happen would be a player initiated romance, meaning the PC is coming on to the taken character, and it just so happens to be reciprocated. Enter all the hidden intrigue, secrecy, the inevitable reveal, etc etc.

That way, if it all fails, the player walked into it themselves. Those are the risks for pursuing a dangerous and shady romance path.

I'd actually LIKE to play a character that goes for someone who's taken but no matter what happens can't end up happily ever after with them because well, cheating is bad. I'd never do that sort of thing in reality, but the ability to explore it in game would be pretty ace.

Written correctly, it'd be amazing.

To play the Devil's advocate, content that is part of the main game that everyone would see, regardless of who they were trying to romance, could ALSO be written amazingly by a talented writing team.

Zots, and all that.

[LPPrince]

Then lets ask the developers to remove all optional content and make nothing but main quest critical paths that we're railroaded on. *shrugs*

We're not asking for more optional content- we're asking for the optional content we already have/are getting to be a little more interesting.

[lil yonce]

LPPrince wrote...

We're not asking for more optional content- we're asking for the optional content we already have/are getting to be a little more interesting.

This.

[Sarquindi]

I like this idea a lot more than the usual "Marriage and kids, please!" request. It would be pretty exciting if it was nobility. Becoming the Lancelot of an Arthur and Gwen type romance. Drama I like. Stories where everything magically turns out just too perfect, not so much.

And it was only implied with Alistar's king romance, should he marry Anora. It would be cool to see it develop throughout the whole story, only to explode in the final chapters.

[SilentK]

 Hmmm... the romance-arcs are very important to me so I would be unhappy if they got less time. The same as it is now works very well for me. Wouldn't say no to more if it was possible. As always, different people like different things. This could be interesting to see in the game but would have to be well executed to work, otherwise it will sink like a rock. 

Two romance-arcs I have seen in-game that where different from the usual courting->love-path was Jacob and Fenris.

Fenris- I really thought that he had dumped my FemHawke for all time. It was my first PT of DAII and I spent the rest of it trying to irritate him best I could. Later found out here on the forum that he would have returned to her if she had waited for him. That was a great PT, didn't see it coming.

Jacob- Half the mission you are angry with him and half of it you are hero-FemShep. It just doesn't flow at all. And when did my FemShep get so meek? She does not call him out on saying that the Normandy is shepard's true love. Why he couldn't wait. She has screamed vengeance at the reapers, told the Council to go somewhere very warm and here she is with Jacob. At the end of a very painful string of convos she has two options. It is either "I understand" or "Kiss me". That took me out of my FemShep more than anything else in the game. I wanted to tell him off, really really badly. Say something to show what a jerk I thought he was. He talks to her in such a bad way, and she is there to save the life of all of them. This could perhaps have worked well had this conversation taken room outside a mission. So you would not get the weird hero-dumped-hero-combos since you had to save him and the group afterwards.



It can work, but it needs attention to details. I would recommend them to isolate really really difficult convos so that the conversation flows. Fenris did and it worked well. Unfortunately Jacobs did not. The (I'm dumping you)/(I'm saving you)/(I'm dumping you) back and forth just felt wrong.

Modifié par SilentK, 30 janvier 2013 - 01:28 .

[Fast Jimmy]

LPPrince wrote...

Then lets ask the developers to remove all optional content and make nothing but main quest critical paths that we're railroaded on. *shrugs*

I would hope you'd know that's not what I'm saying.

We're not asking for more optional content- we're asking for the optional content we already have/are getting to be a little more interesting.

To me, it just seems like a bit of a gimmick, or schtick. 

For instance, if this was an option, would you definitely do it, just because it was a cheating opportunity? What if the romanceable character grated on your nerves? Or represented something you find morally reprehensible? What if the NPC who you were stealing them from was a close friend, or someone you really respected?

Just like people who request Qunari LI's are inherently tied to some preconceived notions of a race-specifc romance, completely outside the restrictions or concepts of the story-telling of the character, a request to to steal someone else away from a romance, with no context of who the persons involved are or what their relationship is to the character, seems to fall into some type of idealized (or possibly demonized, in this example?) form of situation. 

Asking for specific paths for a romance is a little like asking for specific plot points to happen, like a villain killing someone important to the PC. Requesting it, and even Bioware implementing it, does not always provide the experience one envisions it might be, nor does it neccessarily strengthen or improve the experience or story. It just... is.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 30 janvier 2013 - 12:47 .

[nightscrawl]

Unless the person you're interested in is in a bad relationship I'd rather not have that as an element of the romances. I don't really like the idea of helping someone to cheat on someone that loves them.

I don't know... maybe I'm just a sap =/.

Fast Jimmy wrote...

What if the NPC who you were stealing them from was a close friend, or someone you really respected?

You could argue that in that case, it certainly says a lot about who are you as a person, and is therefore a good RP tool. On the opposite side, there is also the "I'm going to steal my enemy's boy/girlfriend," option, which also says a lot about your character.

That said, this is Dragon Age, not Romance Age. Adding this level of drama seems a bit sordid and puts more emphasis on the romances.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 30 janvier 2013 - 12:53 .

[RedArmyShogun]

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[Fast Jimmy]

nightscrawl wrote...

Unless the person you're interested in is in a bad relationship I'd rather not have that as an element of the romances. I don't really like the idea of helping someone to cheat on someone that loves them.

I don't know... maybe I'm just a sap =/.

Fast Jimmy wrote...

What if the NPC who you were stealing them from was a close friend, or someone you really respected?

You could argue that in that case, it certainly says a lot about who are you as a person, and is therefore a good RP tool. On the opposite side, there is also the "I'm going to steal my enemy's boy/girlfriend," option, which also says a lot about your character.

That said, this is Dragon Age, not Romance Age. Adding this level of drama seems a bit sordid and puts more emphasis on the romances.

True, it does offer a chance to play a scumbag character, or one who defies their morals for love. But if that's something Bioware wants to write into a character, then let them write that into the character. Asking for it specifically, with a pre-conceived notion of how the romance partner will act, feel or respond, along with your own character's responses, ahead of time is just a wish. A wish for how some content will turn out and materialize.

And, as Upsetting Shorts said earlier, wish fulfillment isn't the best design policy for video games.

[DragonMage95]

Emzamination wrote...

"romances where the character is already involved in another relationship" 

So as I was reading one of gaiders blogs, I came across this Idea gaider had, that looks simply too delicious to not implement immediately in Da3.

I speak of course of the protagonist no longer being the object of affection and instead playing the third wheel, lover in the dark, forbidden passion, tryst, fling, menage a trois or in lamen terms: simply the other man/woman in a romance love triangle. 

Oh, can you imagine the drama, the heart ache, the spice, the intrigue, the emotional exhilaration and the prize, that would go into such a delectable dalliance?

Anyone else interested in seeing such a romance in Da3?

I think that type of romance would be more interesting than the normal "Hi im a hero and you dont believe in love, but then you met me so now you love me" type romances that typically happen in games. I know people will say romance shouldn't be a focus of games, but I think they should put a little time into them to try out different romances  like Gaider said in the blog. Romance isn't a major party of RPGS but I think if they were explored more they could be more interesting. The romances in Bioware games is one of the things I really enjoy about their games because it adds more depth to my character. So yes I would be interested in seeing that type of romance.(That doesn't mean I think romance should be the complete focus of games  or that I think they should be implemented more.)

[Isolaede]

I think this is a great idea and would appeal to most women, so I wouldn't mind seeing it in game. I personally wouldn't pursue this type of relationship though. I'm not a fan of love triangles - they annoy the crap out of me in literature. There's this idea of acting honorably and respectfully in a relationship that just doesn't jive with love triangles. Inevitably someone ends up "breaking the rules" and kissing someone they shouldn't, or lying about things. Hearts get broken, and sadness ensues. Ultimately love triangles encourage disrespectful and dishonorable behavior on the part of the people involved, and I like play highly honorable and heroic characters, so I’d avoid them if they were added to game. : )

As for the amount of “energy” put into romances – I think they are here to stay. Bioware is really the first company I’ve seen that had romances available in game, but I think they are becoming a bit of an industry standard. I’m now seeing it showing up in more game from other companies.

The romances really appeal to most female gamers. I know I adore them. But beyond that, I think they add a level of emotional depth and suspense to the story. I learn to love all of my companions, but none have the power to break my heart quite so much as my “romanced” companion. My first DA:O character was a City Elf, and Alister dumping me broke my heart. Same for Anders actions in DA2 – that was even worse. Talk about the worst sort of betrayal. If Isabel had betrayed me like that I’d have shrugged and proceeded to murder knife her, but it was Ander’s who I’d cared about since DA:A, so it made the hurt so much more visceral. I loved it!

Modifié par Isolaede, 30 janvier 2013 - 01:25 .

[hexaligned]

Emzamination wrote...

Anyone else interested in seeing such a romance in Da3?

No.

[XX-Pyro]

This isn't at all adding on to optional content, it's new/more content unless they cut an LI out. If an LI gets cut out because they are with someone else that's one less LI for the majority of characters. I'd rather they put more effort making sure their writing is up to their regular standards

[BouncyFrag]

No.