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[JWvonGoethe]

Talonfire wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

I would really prefer LESS energy spent on romance, rather than more.

I agree with this. More time and resources spent on improving romances is less spent on telling deeper and more creative stories that don't involve macking.The romances the company produces now are adequate if you like that sort of thing in your RPGs, I think.

(emphasis added.)

It's strange though that in almost any other narrative-based medium, romance would tend to be part of the story. If you are going to include them in a game, I'd rather have them treated as such, rather than having them as an optional side dish with no real impact anywhere else on the narrative.

[JWvonGoethe]

LPPrince wrote...

JWvonGoethe wrote...

I like that in Bioware games if you try to romance more than one person you usually end up being faced with an ultimatum to choose between the two. Sometimes it would be nice to have one of the LIs do the choosing on your behalf and effectively dump you because you were playing the field. That could be seen as removing player agency, then again, it could be construed as rewarding the player with meaningful consequences for their previous choices.

That happened in ME1 where Ashley/Kaiden would dump you for going after them and Liara. Liara was just like lolwhatever

So yeah, they could do that again.

That's a coincidence - I just finished Mass Effect 1 again last week and flirted with both Ashley and Liara. Sure enough it was Liara who slept with Shepard, but I never actually got formally dumped or confronted by Ashley (I think this might have been a bug though.)

[n2nw]

JWvonGoethe wrote...
'd
like to see a situation where you can start an affair with someone
already in an another relationship. And for celibate protagonists, a
nice compensation for not doing any romances could be getting to see
companions form relationships other people (and each other) so you can
still see them develop even if you don't engage them in a romantic
narrative.

That's interesting.  Though I like being in the romances, I really enjoyed the Jahiera/Khalid marriage.

But if they have a really hawt NPC, he's all mine.  Just sayin'.

JWvonGoethe wrote...

Talonfire wrote...

The romances the company produces now are adequate if you like that sort of thing in your RPGs, I think.

(emphasis added.)

That's a matter of opinion (as well as the whole "devs need to spend time and resources on other issues" topic).  Although I liked the DAO romances, I found the DA2 and all the ME romances lacking.  There just wasn't enough content, especially in the MEs.

You should be able to talk with all of your companions at several intervals during the game, especially someone that has peaked your interest (and especially at pivotal or highly emotional moments).  If it was RL, you'd certainly spend time with all of them.  In DA2 and the MEs, you only got to talk with them every so often and only in certain, set places.  (And in ME, your conversation choices didn't carry a whole lot of weight and weren't very broad.)

I, for one, would like to see more time spent on the relationships with your companions - all of them.  They are huge part of the game and you trust these people with your lives.  I want to get to know them intimately. 

Modifié par n2nw, 31 janvier 2013 - 12:34 .

[Yumichika]

Why polygamy can't exist in Video games that would be easier.
Is Bioware able to do better than Morrigan dumping u and disapearing? They should.

[n2nw]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Nothing you says disproves what I say. In fact, both rather prove that there should be less, as

A) an entire FORUM got locked ovwer romance content. That's just...wow.

If that's the case, then they need to leave out inventory, combat mechanics, and....well, just about everything else.  Although I've only seen threads (and not entire forums) shut down over just about everything in the games, it hardly proves that there should be less of anything.  All it proves is that people should lighten up a bit.

[Fast Jimmy]

It proves there should be less because people cannot not take them seriously.

I'd say its not an issue of fans not taking them seriously.

I'd say its a much bigger issue of people taking them entirely TOO seriously. Declaring war on not only the fans of another character's romance, but on fans of the same romanceable character but who liked the character for different reasons (certain "prominent" physical attributes vs. personality appeal) is the definition of rabid and crazy.

[LPPrince]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I'd say its not an issue of fans not taking them seriously.

I'd say its a much bigger issue of people taking them entirely TOO seriously. Declaring war on not only the fans of another character's romance, but on fans of the same romanceable character but who liked the character for different reasons (certain "prominent" physical attributes vs. personality appeal) is the definition of rabid and crazy.

Fair enough, and a good point. Let me modify my statement then to "fans cannot not take them too seriously."

How's that for confusing.

Basically, "fans cannot seem to lighten up regarding their stances on romances"

[n2nw]

EntropicAngel wrote...
Your argument is a silly slippery slope.

My arguments sometimes are.   I'll have to remember that you night people are really serious.

EntropicAngel wrote...
An entire forum, a forum with hundreds of threads and thousands upon thousands of posts, is hardly equivicable to a single thread, here and there. And, I haven't seen any threads locked here for talking about combat mechanics or inventory, myself. Any links?

Most of them were on the old forums..

EntropicAngel wrote...

It proves there should be less because people cannot not take them seriously.

You're making a generalization that isn't true.  I like the romances, but I'm hardly going to stalk you for not agreeing with me.  I've been on these forums (and the old ones) through a couple of these games and I've seen some heated arguments, but nothing horrible.  The shut-down forum was an unfortunate fluke, at best.

EntropicAngel wrote...


Bioware can't change that. AS long as they have romances like Miranda or Merril or Fenris or Garrus, they will have people gushing over them.

The only way to change that is to tamp down on the romance, and certainly not increase its stakes.

And my argument (though a little tongue-in-cheek) was simply that your solution is to punish everyone who likes romances because of those who can't control themselves.  And you can find those people everywhere and if you take away the romances, they will only find something else to fight over.

The fact that people view the romances so passionately is actually a good reason to market them (from a business point of view).  It's people who will buy the game.

The notion that romances shouldn't be in video games because they make people uncivil is about as good as saying we shouldn't make video games because they desensitize people to violence.  It's not only a bad generalization, it's just not true.

*denies ever being desensitized or uncivil

[LPPrince]

If people not being civil was precedent to remove things, we wouldn't have games or consoles to play them on what with console vs. console arguments and PC elitism.

I think its safe to say romances are gonna be a Bioware mainstay for a looong time.

[Doodleydowop]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I'd say its not an issue of fans not taking them seriously.

I'd say its a much bigger issue of people taking them entirely TOO seriously. Declaring war on not only the fans of another character's romance, but on fans of the same romanceable character but who liked the character for different reasons (certain "prominent" physical attributes vs. personality appeal) is the definition of rabid and crazy.

Fair enough, and a good point. Let me modify my statement then to "fans cannot not take them too seriously."

How's that for confusing.

So what some seem to be saying is devs shouldn't spend more time on romances because people take them waaay too seriously and argue crazily about them?

And they should instead spend that time working on the rest of the game's story. Because no crazy arguments have ever been spawned over those...

...MEREDITH WAS RIGHT!
/ducks for cover

[n2nw]

Doodleydowop wrote...
...MEREDITH WAS RIGHT!
/ducks for cover

I admit...I LOLed.

[lil yonce]

Doodleydowop wrote...

...MEREDITH WAS RIGHT!
/ducks for cover

Sure was. Check the sig. 

JK! And I agree with the rest of your on-topic post.

[Fast Jimmy]

Doodleydowop wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I'd say its not an issue of fans not taking them seriously.

I'd say its a much bigger issue of people taking them entirely TOO seriously. Declaring war on not only the fans of another character's romance, but on fans of the same romanceable character but who liked the character for different reasons (certain "prominent" physical attributes vs. personality appeal) is the definition of rabid and crazy.

Fair enough, and a good point. Let me modify my statement then to "fans cannot not take them too seriously."

How's that for confusing.

So what some seem to be saying is devs shouldn't spend more time on romances because people take them waaay too seriously and argue crazily about them?

And they should instead spend that time working on the rest of the game's story. Because no crazy arguments have ever been spawned over those...

...MEREDITH WAS RIGHT!
/ducks for cover

An argument about preserving the safety of the masses versus imprisoning a certain group of people becuase of the way they were born SHOULD inspire heated debate, and such debate sometimes results in people turning the discussion into a personal attack.

Arguing over whether Miranda's butt is her only redeeming factor or if you find her personality more attractive (and arguing that topic to such a level that it leads to levels of sociopathic rage and the meltdown of an entire subsection of the forums) is something rooted in a deeply disturbing attachment to virtual romance characters. 

Equating the two, and the reaction levels of the two, is an incredibly weak argument. One is a discussion about the human condition and the measures we should or should not take to create the best world for everyone. The other is a gross, disgusting debasement of pixel pr0n. You tell me which one is better to focus more time and resources on.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 31 janvier 2013 - 03:35 .

[LPPrince]

The romances, so people don't belittle them by calling them pixel pr0n?

[SilentK]

I see that discussion moved on a little from the other man/woman-topic. For me the romances are a very important part of the game. Had no idea that they would be before playing DA:O and ME2 which were my first BioWare games.But ever since I just find other games just lacking that little extra something. Does not mean that I don't occasionally play other games, because I do. But then it is more a matter of playing it through once and then I'm done. My BioWare games are the ones that I order in CE, get all the dlc for and so forth. Different people like different things, as always.

In SWTOR I truly enjoy the stories and I really like my guild, it is a nice group of people and I enjoy being an officer in it. In DA and ME my companions and LI:s are the equivalent of guildies to me. The people that somehow brings you back. When I have PT romancing a certain companion I enjoy exploring that relationship and getting to know that person better.

So yet again, different people like different things. To me the romances and companions are very important for replays and enjoyment. I do not replay the games tampering too much with different classes and builds, but I guess other people do. Super! Do that in the game which makes you happy. Don't see why I should not get optional content that I enjoy because someone else behaving badly on the forum. People argue about many different things. It is optional, they have a finite amount of time and energy spent on it and the result is something that I enjoy in the game.

edit: Not all players of BioWare games hang here on the forum. I am the only one of my RL-friends who go here, including my husband. But they have all played quite a few of their games. What would they say to those fans. "We removed this content because of bad people saying bad things on the forum". Let those rage who cannot let go of things. It is up to them what they spend their energy on. But I do not wish to lose out on things I enjoy because of that.

Modifié par SilentK, 31 janvier 2013 - 04:21 .

[Fast Jimmy]

LPPrince wrote...

The romances, so people don't belittle them by calling them pixel pr0n?

I'm not sure exactly what this response is to, but my reference to pixel pr0n was in reference to the Miranda groups, which were the tipping point of the entire forum getting shut down. If a majority of posts about a character's romance involves the "dat ****" meme, then I personally believe that is fitting to call pixel pr0n.

[Asch Lavigne]

I do not want a character I romanced to be interested in or available for any other character. That is just a big, huge, major NO.

However, any one not romanced should be available for the new MC. If someone else romanced say, Zevran and I didn't, I should have that option.

[Fortlowe]

Competition is what makes it fun! You know that thrill of excited fear you get when you talk to someone you're attracted to the first time? It only happens because they have options.

[nightscrawl]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

To further elaborate my hesitancy to enjoy clamoring about romance options (not just this one in particular, but a focus on romance options above everything else), I'd like to take a step back for a second.

<snip>

Great post.

LPPrince wrote...

... the PC being a chache...

I've seen you use this a few times in this thread. What is a "chache"? Yes I Googled it. Or rather, I understand how you mean it to be used. Is it a reference to something? Is it a foreign word without correct accent marks? What am I missing with this word?

[Daissran]

Being the other man/woman? No thanks. Even in terms of gameplay - I find that it's such a heartless thing to do, to cheat or destroy a relationship. I prefer being the first and only love, you know, valuing loyalty.

[LPPrince]

nightscrawl wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

... the PC being a chache...

I've seen you use this a few times in this thread. What is a "chache"? Yes I Googled it. Or rather, I understand how you mean it to be used. Is it a reference to something? Is it a foreign word without correct accent marks? What am I missing with this word?

Just one of my things. Its not even a word, well it is when I use it. 

Its equivalent to d-bag. Just nicer to say since no one knows what the bloody hell it means.

ANYWHO-

Would be nice to play the chache in a relationship for once.

[LPPrince]

Daissran wrote...

Being the other man/woman? No thanks. Even in terms of gameplay - I find that it's such a heartless thing to do, to cheat or destroy a relationship. I prefer being the first and only love, you know, valuing loyalty.

Are you open to it being an option in game, even though you wouldn't take part in it? You know, like its one romance option out of say the four/five that were there to choose from.