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[eroeru]

Blackrising wrote...

So...you mean something like for example Merrill being in a relationship with Hawke and then realizing 'Hey, Carver is actually pretty darn sexay'?

Ouch. No. Please no.
I can't deal.
Can't deal at all.

If it's the other way round and the protagonist steals someone from their girlfriend/boyfriend/husband/wife/whatever...then sure. (Yes, this is a double standard and a pretty selfish and unfair one at that. Sue me.)

Actually, could easily enjoy the first option more. The outcome of a romance should depend on the choices you make!

As for my opinion on the overall idea - the more diversity in a game the better!

Modifié par eroeru, 31 janvier 2013 - 11:01 .

[Blue Gloves]

Huh- well. It's not an option that I would probably go for, even my video game characters would feel WAY to guilty about stealing another person's honey. It's not like I'd be upset or offended that such a romance existed for other people though. Hell, if it was an Atlas Shrugged style of thing, the barest possibility exists that I might even do a playthrough of it.

[H. Birdman]

Xilizhra wrote...

H. Birdman wrote...

You know what I want?

I want a really smart, super-attractive female character (because a majority of players are male) who has absolutely no romantic interest in any PC under any circumstances.

I want her to be in a relationship with some amazing person who is not in the party. Or maybe committed to a life of chastity for religious reasons. I want it to be possible to develop a very close friendship with her -- comrades in arms and all. But if you try take things farther, I want her to shoot you down hard and even mock you for being so stupid.

That would be roleplaying. As opposed to wish fulfillment.

(And no, Aveline doesn't count, as she's designed to be the least attractive female party member in the game.)

Samara. Already done.

Also, for most, any interest would be shut off rather fast and be replaced with "wow, what a ****; I dodged a bullet there" if she outright mocked you for trying to say you liked her. So I'm reasonably sure that your plan is dead in the water.

One other thing: your own wish fulfillment seems to revolve around attacking what you refer to as wish fulfillment for other people, as what you seem to want for your own game could easily be achieved if you just don't romance anyone. I wonder why this is.

I appreciate the suggestion, but that's not what I was thinking of.  Samara is a 1000 year old borderline demigod.  She's intentionally aloof and the closest you typically get to her is arms-length mutual admiration.  I'm thinking more "same age, same species, outgoing, friendly and beautiful" ... in other words, no artificial barriers to override player-sexual impulses.  Just "she's not into you."  Just a plain, blunt reminder that the world doesn't revolve around you. 

Not sure what got your panties in a wad about my comment.  I just don't like the idea of Bioware devoting resources to half a dozen mostly gratuitous romance options when so many other aspects of the world and the player's life go wholly unexplored.  If resources were infinite, I'd say knock yourself out.

Well, let me amend that.  You're right that I can just choose not to play the romances.  But it's still a little off-putting to know that everyone on my team would fall madly in love with me if only I'd make a few obvious dialogue choices.  It just gives off a sort of adolescent fan-service-y vibe that makes it hard to take any of the rest of the game seriously.  

That said, I wouldn't let the latter preference stand in the way of you getting your romances if resources were not a limitation.

[n2nw]

(edited for total quote fail)

EntropicAngel wrote...
What are "night people?"

Those of you here at night (at least, my time).

EntropicAngel wrote...
Convenient. I'd love some proof of this.

You ask for me to give proof, yet the only proof you have that romances are bad on a large scale is one forum.  Exactly how many people were on that forum and how many of those were actually responsible for the shutdown?  What sort of studies, market research and analogies have you done (other than the one said forum) to prove your point? 

And what percentage of actual purchasers of the game was the total members of the non-defunct forum (and what percentage of that forum were actually trouble makers)?  And what percentage of the total purchasers of the game were not on that forum that love the romances?

My not taking the time to find the old posts isn't any more convenient than your using one forum to prove your point against an entire group of people who enjoy romances.

At this point, we're just two people dithering about our differences of opinion on the subject.

EntropicAngel wrote...
The word "People" does not assume everyone.

Sorry, I missed your point here.  Did you edit something out by accident or did I just miss it?

EntropicAngel wrote...

That's actually a horrible reason, because it makes your entire customer base look unstable. Should weapons manufacturers advertise themselves to terrorists or radicals, market their killing power? Should [insert company here] advertise themselves to [insert passionate portion of fanbase here]? If they can survive with only that fanbase, sure--be it J. Crew with slightly upscale prep, Apple with form over function, or Subaru with "offroaders." But if they can't, then they should not focus on something that...causes large number of undesirables.

Whether or not you like or agree with it, it's stil a plus in the eyes of the marketing world.  Why on earth do you think there are so many bad reality tv shows (cops, jersey shore, real housewives of every major city in the blasted US...)?  It might not be pretty, but business is business.

Modifié par n2nw, 01 février 2013 - 02:01 .

[addiction21]

Successfully supported. What a freaking joke shutting down the poll after getting 1 more vote for your side. Don't even bother wasting any ones time by proving why internet polls are worthless.

[n2nw]

LPPrince wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Whelp after a 24 hour vote the results are in and it looks like the majority, if only by a hair, would indeed enjoy this type of romance. This thread is a success

Emzey. You know that's too close to call. Come on.

I like the enthusiasm, though. LOL

LPPrince wrote...

In such a case, I'm not for that. I'd
like my squadmates to be more independent and feel like real people than
just characters waiting for the PC to sweep them off their
feet.

This.  As a matter of fact, I don't mind working a little bit for their attention.  Someone who fawns over you the whole time is just boring.  I want someone who is their own person and can function without me.  I really liked Valen in NWN.  He didn't trust (or much like) the PC at first, but when he got to know you, he warmed up to you.

That said, I don't want to have to kiss their butt to make them like me.  I should be allowed to have my own opinions, too.  And if we agree on the major things, I'd like to be able to have a disagreement here or there and not have to always be a "yes" woman to keep them happy.

[Blackrising]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

H. Birdman wrote...

You know what I want?

I want a really smart, super-attractive female character (because a majority of players are male) who has absolutely no romantic interest in any PC under any circumstances.

I want her to be in a relationship with some amazing person who is not in the party. Or maybe committed to a life of chastity for religious reasons. I want it to be possible to develop a very close friendship with her -- comrades in arms and all. But if you try take things farther, I want her to shoot you down hard and even mock you for being so stupid.

That would be roleplaying. As opposed to wish fulfillment.

(And no, Aveline doesn't count, as she's designed to be the least attractive female party member in the game.)

For it. 

But let's not be politically incorrect about this. There should be a stunningly good looking male version as well that laughs in the female PC's face when you try and pursue a relationship - and no, I'm not talking about Sebastian, who wants to be in a chaste marriage of just holding hands, but someone who flat out says "Date you? Maker, no!"

That would be great. 

As egocentric as I tend to be about my RPGs, I admit I'd actually have to laugh at this sort of situation.
/insert 'get rejected like a BOSS'

[n2nw]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

[Varric doesn't count?

I'd have gone for Varric.  Varric is awesome.

Modifié par n2nw, 01 février 2013 - 04:01 .

[Xilizhra]

I appreciate the suggestion, but that's not what I was thinking of. Samara is a 1000 year old borderline demigod. She's intentionally aloof and the closest you typically get to her is arms-length mutual admiration. I'm thinking more "same age, same species, outgoing, friendly and beautiful" ... in other words, no artificial barriers to override player-sexual impulses. Just "she's not into you." Just a plain, blunt reminder that the world doesn't revolve around you.

Given the vast array of possible PC permutations, achieving this realistically without her having a preexisting romantic interest, like Aveline does with Donnic, may be tricky. Unless you're intentionally limited in player concepts, the only real barriers are going to be artificial, such as duty, race or other such things.

Not sure what got your panties in a wad about my comment. I just don't like the idea of Bioware devoting resources to half a dozen mostly gratuitous romance options when so many other aspects of the world and the player's life go wholly unexplored. If resources were infinite, I'd say knock yourself out.

Well, to be frank, I enjoy romances and will continue to fight for their conclusion, because I enjoy playing them. I don't believe I truly need more reason than that.

[LPPrince]

Just saying- that thread title is ridiculous.

[henkez3]

I'd rather have less focus on romance and more on gameplay please.

[LPPrince]

addiction21 wrote...

Successfully supported. What a freaking joke shutting down the poll after getting 1 more vote for your side. Don't even bother wasting any ones time by proving why internet polls are worthless.

Everyone knows it was a split anyway. It'd probably still be split.

[Milan92]

H. Birdman wrote...

You know what I want?

I want a really smart, super-attractive female character (because a majority of players are male) who has absolutely no romantic interest in any PC under any circumstances.

I want her to be in a relationship with some amazing person who is not in the party. Or maybe committed to a life of chastity for religious reasons. I want it to be possible to develop a very close friendship with her -- comrades in arms and all. But if you try take things farther, I want her to shoot you down hard and even mock you for being so stupid.

That would be roleplaying. As opposed to wish fulfillment.

(And no, Aveline doesn't count, as she's designed to be the least attractive female party member in the game.)

Lol that has absolutly nothing to do with roleplaying, You simply just want to troll the male fanbase.

[wafwexe]

I hope not, but probably this will happen if Cassandra is a LI.

[Ninja Stan]

Asked and answered.

End of line.