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Geomon19 wrote...

I don't see how anyone can watch the newly awakened Husk look around himself with new awareness and think, "Man, that's just beautiful."


Yeah, that's a really creepy part of Synthesis.  And what of the combined Husks, like the Brutes or Cannibals?  Does the human head attached to the Cannibal gain awareness along with its new Batarian conjoined twin?

I'm curious, though, would the Collectors be able to gain awareness?  They never really had it to begin with, but maybe the power of synthesis washing over them can give Javik some Prothean friends.  Hmm...

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Well, the green light show when the derpcible activates is beautiful at least. The Auroras have nothing on that.

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RiptideX1090 wrote...

@Auintus.

If my view is inaccurate (it's not), yours is unsubstantiated. You trust the Catalyst, but why? It's an AI designed by a race that understands no other way to interact with other sentient beings than through domination and manipulation. It takes these qualities to new, genocidal levels with the Reapers. And you believe trusting what it says, when it gives no validated examples for it's argument other than what it extrapolates is going to happen, and it's own favored solution, Synthesis, doesn't even receive an actual explanation for how it solves it's own posited problem? Why? Why take the word of a machine that has never made any attempt at compromise in its entire existence, instead preferring manipulation and domination and slaughter? Furthermore, you claim that the Reapers will be benevolent enough to just give out all the memories of their races, and while that appears true, you're also forgetting that as the most powerful force in the entire galaxy, their will is law. They warp free will just by being around sentient beings, and we want them walking around our cities? Why? Why is this a good thing? Because it saves EDI and the Geth? Keeping them alive is worth potentially sacrificing all free will in the galaxy because some insane AI says it's the best thing to do after giving no examples or explanations? That's not logical.


It doesn't even have the time to tell you about who designed the Crucible. I think it's fair to say that it wouldn't have time to run you through every single synthetic rebellion over the course of half of eternity.
Indoctrination served a purpose. It was used against us when we were fighting the Reapers. Now that the fight is over, there is no reason for it. That is the logical conclusion, and thus the one the Reapers would reach.

And you've proved nothing. You have no verifiable facts to indicate how long my cooperation could or would have lasted, only a theory stated by an AI, which has been proven wrong. The geth were aiding the quarians, making them stronger, and EDI was ready to die for Jeff and the Normandy's crew. And yes, I'd happily give my own life if it meant stopping a menace like the Reapers, or to take a bullet for a friend or loved one, and that you can't seem to comprehend that is rather disturbing.


A statement made by an AI hundreds of thousands of years older than myself, who has seen it happen potentially hundreds of times. Call it respect for my elders.
I did give my own life. Well, my Shepard did, anyway, and I would have done the same. Except instead of destroying things, I managed to broker peace. I stopped the Reapers without killing them and destroying eons of memories.

That's the thing, you've no evidence they're dead. The Catalyst in the EC never says the geth will be destroyed, only that all synthetics will be Targeted. EDI is dead, there's no doubt about that, her core was made from Sovereign, but the geth could be rebuilt. Furthermore, I'd argue you killed EDI with Synthesis. EDI as I knew her valued her own life and the lives of the people she cared about, and she valued the fact that unlike the Reapers who only care about self-preservation, she cares and values the part of her humanity that allows her to be able to give her life for another person, going so far as to modify her own code to reflect this. The EDI in Synthesis completely disregards this in favor of blathering on about Immortality. As Legion and many of your crew mates argue during A House Divided, if you rewrite or destroy the Heretics, they're dead either way. Who they are is gone forever, whether they're shut down or made to think another way, their perspective, their way of thinking is dead, and by doing Synthesis, EDI has clearly 180'ed from the EDI that served on your team to one who thinks like a Reaper. No more war, maybe, but only because you took away free will.


The geth aren't dead? Side with the geth on Rannoch, choose Destroy, then tell me that again. Rannoch is barren. Don't try to tell me they survive.
EDI in synthesis doesn't have to worry about protecting others because most great threats are eliminated. Why remain fixated on external threats when there are better things to do?
Yet I don't see Synthesis as brainwashing. Look at the slides, your squadmates are doing what they would be doing, in accordance to their own personality. No one is acting out of character.

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GlassElephant wrote...

Geomon19 wrote...

I don't see how anyone can watch the newly awakened Husk look around himself with new awareness and think, "Man, that's just beautiful."


Yeah, that's a really creepy part of Synthesis.  And what of the combined Husks, like the Brutes or Cannibals?  Does the human head attached to the Cannibal gain awareness along with its new Batarian conjoined twin?

This is an interesting issue, but I think there is nothing to suggest that Synthesis gives sentience to anything that was non-sentient, like tree leaves or huskified spieces. Thus, the "Man, that's just beautiful" is more of a reflection of what the controlling reaper experiences than actual husk "feelings". Or just a result of a shock of being moleculary restructured all of sudden.

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Agreed that Synthesis does not grant sentience to anyone, I think it probably just gives hardware, and even more probably, mental overhauls.

The point has been raised that Synthesis is a "better" option because of the memories of all the cycles prior to this one. My question to that is: so what? Are memories of an extinct race more valuable than the technology of a murderous tech-based society? Why accept one from the other?

TO my point of view, the Reapers are holding the data of the other cycles hostage. They certainly have shown no moral rectitude before, so they probably won't just deposit a few external hard drives containing the data of a thousand civilizations on an abandoned asteroid or something.

Also, to state that there "is no time" for the Catalyst to explain....WHAT???

The Catalyst is wholly capable of stopping the Reapers. He directs them. They are "his solution." All he has to do is say: "hold it boys, the grownups are talking." and the Reapers stop...unless it is being implied that the renegade AI made renegade AI's?

People can gain hardware. Fine. Hardware can change lives, eg glasses; more people wear glasses/contacts these days than ever before, and can operate more efficiently because of it. However, this hardware doesn't change their minds or opinions.

My point is (for the last paragraph anyway) that hardware doesn't do anything but make it easier to kill. Therefore, if the entire galaxy suddenly goes "pyro vision" (for you tf2 fans), there is obviously something other than just hardware being inserted, even if the hardware is being manipulated into DNA molecules.

That implicates a galaxy-wide effect on mental states. In the old days, this was used on a lot smaller scale, and was called "brainwashing." People could fight brainwashing, but it was brutal, and cost a lot even if you were successful in resisting. A process that is irresistible, unstoppable...mind altering is either a significant EVENT (to which different people react differently) or some kind of deliberate hostile takeover. Synthesis is no event, but an action. Is it an acceptable action?