Wayning_Star wrote...
Here young skywalker, take the force, you may need it for the next DLC...
Greylycantrope wrote...
That's the point. "Does this unit have a soul?" The idea that we're more than the sum of our parts was displayed quite vividly and than we're given a "lol nope" option. And if we can't over come our nature than the Rachni and Krogan are going to screw over the galaxy regardless, synthesis or no.Wayning_Star wrote...
but, Nature doesn't care in the least about 'self determination'. Nature is actually calling the shots..thats the gripping truth of ME3 realization...it's what's the fighting is all about. Its the 'call' for evolution.
otherwise,evolution wouldn't even be needed,nor would technology, or then, any need to learn/grow/live long and prosper, to coin a phrase.
in it for the lolz wrote...
This is what everyone said after you picked synthesis:
Faust1979 wrote...
Wayning_Star wrote...
Here young skywalker, take the force, you may need it for the next DLC...
I don't buy much DLC I loved Leviathan but I only picked it up because someone bought me points as a gift, didn't buy and DLC for ME 2 and only bought a couple for Dragon Age Origins
Since when did everyone in the galaxy asked to have their DNA raped?Faust1979 wrote...
in it for the lolz wrote...
This is what everyone said after you picked synthesis:
The Catalyst explains what will happen when choosing options so technically you did ask for it if you choose Synthesis
Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 29 janvier 2013 - 07:16 .
Greylycantrope wrote...
Considering EDI and how she is portrayed post synthesis brings me to see her characterization as completely undermined given what she said earlier.
My distaste for synthesis stems from the fact the we were doing just fine resolving most of these conflicts and uniting a diverse galaxy before synthesis, which not only violates everyones right to self determinate but also basically acknowledges that even our best effort to bring about peace were futile without the help of the green wave of forced friendship, frankly I find it insulting on several levels.
Modifié par Enhanced, 29 janvier 2013 - 07:15 .
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Enhanced wrote...
Greylycantrope wrote...
Considering EDI and how she is portrayed post synthesis brings me to see her characterization as completely undermined given what she said earlier.
My distaste for synthesis stems from the fact the we were doing just fine resolving most of these conflicts and uniting a diverse galaxy before synthesis, which not only violates everyones right to self determinate but also basically acknowledges that even our best effort to bring about peace were futile without the help of the green wave of forced friendship, frankly I find it insulting on several levels.
I'm not sure how that undermines her. In that clip she says she just feels alive. In the synthesis ending epilogue she says that all synthetics are alive.
The peace in synthesis is between Synthetics and Organics. The galaxy was not doing just fine resolving those conflicts. In Priority: Rannoch, the Geth or Quarians can go extinct.
Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 29 janvier 2013 - 07:27 .
No she saya "I am alive" twice in fact, only other qualitative statement she says is and I'm not alone(which doesn't necissarily refer to other synthetics at all, it could just be her feeling kinship to her organics friends, which strikes me as redundant given her character arc.) followed by her hugging your LI. So all the time we spent trying to get her to understand the organic perspective and her own emtions was just us wasting our time because without synthesis it would have been apparently futile.Enhanced wrote...
I'm not sure how that undermines her. In that clip she says she just feels alive. In the synthesis ending epilogue she says that all synthetics are alive.
You act like that's the only possible outcome I got them to agree to peace, I'd say that's doing just fine, maybe if you didn't you'd feel you need help from the Reaper overlord but I certainly didn't.The peace in synthesis is between Synthetics and Organics. The galaxy was not doing just fine resolving those conflicts. In Priority: Rannoch, the Geth or Quarians can go extinct.
Modifié par Greylycantrope, 29 janvier 2013 - 07:27 .
3DandBeyond wrote...
Synthesis, a thing which cannot be forced until The Shepard is forced to decide the fate of the galaxy all by him/herself. Only then can it be forced. Don't want tech implanted in your DNA? Too bad. Want to know where that tech came from? Too bad. Want to know where that understanding given to synthetics comes from? Too bad.
Ever hear of Mordin? Well, he had some great things to say about attempts at synthesis. No soul, replaced by tech.
EDI in London at the FOB, to Shepard: I'm alive. Thanks for helping me become alive. (paraphrased).
EDI in Synthesis cutscene: I am alive.
Synthetics prior to the ending: said to be immortal.
EDI in Synthesis cutscene: We may transcend mortality.
Krogan and Rachni prior to ending: We want moar babeez.
Krogan and Rachni after Synthesis: We will re-populate the galaxy. Get used to it. Remember that transcend mortality thingy. We won't die and we will have moar babeez.
Ask people here how many would like to be synthesized. A poll shows most people would not like it. It stands to reason in the ME galaxy, some people wouldn't want it done to them-so Shepard does it anyway?
And tech fails-the kid proves it can be fatally flawed. Do you want that within you, OP? What about if it starts breaking down or it starts taking over as it did in the story of the Zha'til?
That being said, OP, you have a right to like it and opinions aren't wrong. Just understand when you post your feelings, especially since this has been discussed often, others will feel free to opine as well.
Enhanced wrote...
Greylycantrope wrote...
Considering EDI and how she is portrayed post synthesis brings me to see her characterization as completely undermined given what she said earlier.
My distaste for synthesis stems from the fact the we were doing just fine resolving most of these conflicts and uniting a diverse galaxy before synthesis, which not only violates everyones right to self determinate but also basically acknowledges that even our best effort to bring about peace were futile without the help of the green wave of forced friendship, frankly I find it insulting on several levels.
I'm not sure how that undermines her. In that clip she says she just feels alive. In the synthesis ending epilogue she says that all synthetics are alive.
The peace in synthesis is between Synthetics and Organics. The galaxy was not doing just fine resolving those conflicts. In Priority: Rannoch, the Geth or Quarians can go extinct.
Greylycantrope wrote...
No she saya "I am alive" twice in fact, only other qualitative statement she says is and I'm not alone(which doesn't necissarily refer to other synthetics at all, it could just be her feeling kinship to her organics friends, which strikes me as redundant given her character arc.) followed by her hugging your LI. So all the time we spent trying to get her to understand the organic perspective and her own emtions was just us wasting our time because without synthesis it would have been apparently futile.Enhanced wrote...
I'm not sure how that undermines her. In that clip she says she just feels alive. In the synthesis ending epilogue she says that all synthetics are alive.You act like that's the only possible outcome I got them to agree to peace, I'd say that's doing just fine, maybe if you didn't you'd feel you need help from the Reaper overlord but I certainly didn't.The peace in synthesis is between Synthetics and Organics. The galaxy was not doing just fine resolving those conflicts. In Priority: Rannoch, the Geth or Quarians can go extinct.
We'll if we're implementing genetic improvements in a board sense as is implied, a system of intuition might conencide with a system of deception and we've succefully started a genetic arms race.Wayning_Star wrote...
I know it's a long shot for everyone to 'just get along'..but still, it'd be hard to lie or conspire if you had a really good system of intution. What gene the transformation alters isn't disclosed, so it could just be a matter of thinking ahead a little bit more. Not a soul blinder, by any means. The synthesis engineers would've thought it out before turning a bunch of competing organics loose with synthesis. Certainly the Levi and even the controlling reaperships wouldn't like being 'changed out' and remove their free will to harvest, as the catalyst is set down and de breifed.
Be it the most extreme choice, its the most potent equalizer. Even effects fauna at the plant level, altering nature it's self, something Mankind has been attempting to do since their invokation..
And for folks to say this is too easy a choice, as in space magic, but why then does the entire MEU poulation capable of it go through with the crucible contruction?
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Faust1979 wrote...
3DandBeyond wrote...
Synthesis, a thing which cannot be forced until The Shepard is forced to decide the fate of the galaxy all by him/herself. Only then can it be forced. Don't want tech implanted in your DNA? Too bad. Want to know where that tech came from? Too bad. Want to know where that understanding given to synthetics comes from? Too bad.
Ever hear of Mordin? Well, he had some great things to say about attempts at synthesis. No soul, replaced by tech.
EDI in London at the FOB, to Shepard: I'm alive. Thanks for helping me become alive. (paraphrased).
EDI in Synthesis cutscene: I am alive.
Synthetics prior to the ending: said to be immortal.
EDI in Synthesis cutscene: We may transcend mortality.
Krogan and Rachni prior to ending: We want moar babeez.
Krogan and Rachni after Synthesis: We will re-populate the galaxy. Get used to it. Remember that transcend mortality thingy. We won't die and we will have moar babeez.
Ask people here how many would like to be synthesized. A poll shows most people would not like it. It stands to reason in the ME galaxy, some people wouldn't want it done to them-so Shepard does it anyway?
And tech fails-the kid proves it can be fatally flawed. Do you want that within you, OP? What about if it starts breaking down or it starts taking over as it did in the story of the Zha'til?
That being said, OP, you have a right to like it and opinions aren't wrong. Just understand when you post your feelings, especially since this has been discussed often, others will feel free to opine as well.
Shep started out to stop a war and makes the decision he thinks is right to stop it. I was playing from the perspective that Shep started to believe that Saren may have been right in the first place so he chose synthesis. Maybe a lot of races wouldn't like it but when faced with moral dilemma's you do what is best at the time, it ends the war and stops the cycle from happening. As far as I can tell all the endings have their downsides and upsides, just have to play through to see the control ending now
3DandBeyond wrote...
Enhanced wrote...
Greylycantrope wrote...
Considering EDI and how she is portrayed post synthesis brings me to see her characterization as completely undermined given what she said earlier.
My distaste for synthesis stems from the fact the we were doing just fine resolving most of these conflicts and uniting a diverse galaxy before synthesis, which not only violates everyones right to self determinate but also basically acknowledges that even our best effort to bring about peace were futile without the help of the green wave of forced friendship, frankly I find it insulting on several levels.
I'm not sure how that undermines her. In that clip she says she just feels alive. In the synthesis ending epilogue she says that all synthetics are alive.
The peace in synthesis is between Synthetics and Organics. The galaxy was not doing just fine resolving those conflicts. In Priority: Rannoch, the Geth or Quarians can go extinct.
You are missing the nuance of the point when EDI says Shepard helped her feel alive-all of that was done through her force of will and through the knowledge Shepard gave her. In my game, Shepard gave her her opinions on things and let her see how important free will and self-determination are. In Synthesis, none of that matters since the beam forces Shepard's will upon everyone, including EDI.
EDI desired to understand organics (Joker, for one) and learned to understand them. It's about those two paths Legion described and about the things Mordin says. Part of what shapes us and our personalities is what we achieve for ourselves. If we are just given stuff easily, it's often true we have no appreciation for earning it. Mordin talks about the advancement and uplifting of races like the Krogan, how it leads to stagnation.
In the FOB statement, EDI indicates she evolved through determination. She created change. In Synthesis, she was changed through no effort of her own. It happened to her.
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