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[AresKeith]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Who are you to defy The Intelligence?

Did you really just say this?

[Ieldra]

Faust1979 wrote...
On my second play through I chose synthesis and it was an even better ending than destruction. From what I've been seeing from playing the game back to back, the people that have been saying the endings don't fit with the games are completely wrong! these endings have been great and I liked seeing all the races I helped and the wars I stopped bring people to together. In the epilog Shep kept saying she was alive I guess she didn't die in the beam and she became something else as well. 

Well, that's EDI speaking. But as I see it, there is a hint that Shepard could be alive in the epilogue. Can you spot it?

As for Synthesis itself, the means to get there may be problematic but the result is indeed beautiful. We get a krogan cultural renaissance you'll never get in any of the other endings, we get quarians living with the geth on Rannoch, which we also don't get in any other way. I don't believe in the "perfection" hinted at, and the "final evolution" makes no sense at all given that there is a prospect for further advancement more than in any other ending, but the outcome is indeed very good.

@all:
As for the "being connected", people keep jumping to conclusions again. I don't know why people insist on the worst possible interpretation always, but if you think of this as some kind of mental networking, there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to switch it off.

[Sable Rhapsody]

BirdsallSa wrote...
That's just headcanon. We could headcanon a lot of great things. That doesn't mean they're what actually happen in the game.

So is everything else regarding the endings   They're still vague enough after EC that there are as many ending interpretations as there are people who played them, and a lot of these interpretations don't actually contradict what's in-game.

[crimzontearz]

Good for you

As for me? No thanks

[GreyLycanTrope]

BirdsallSa wrote...
You're indoctrinated.

Trolling I see.

[Galbrant]

Welcome to the Borg Collective OP.

[Seival]

Endings fit the story just perfectly. No other endings could be even a little good compared to what we have now.

[3DandBeyond]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Actually, the Geth rebelled against the Quarians the second that one rogue refused to shut down. That's when the cycle started. And just because the quarians and geth can come to a ceasefire for a few days, does that disprove billions of years of hard cold evidence? Nonsense. Who are you to defy The Intelligence?

Nice try.  The geth were faced with extinction-death.  They had evolved.  You can parse it how you want and by this logic, if I go and try to kill a family and they refuse to let me, they are rebelling against me.

And maybe you want to give in and defer to some flawed misnamed Intelligence, but not me.  He has the example of Leviathans-the most moronic apex race that ever was, and you may say every other previous cycle.  But there are big problems with this.  Every cycle since Leviathans became reapers has been directed to become what they became by the kid and the reapers.  They created the path for advancement for the races to keep it within the time frame of the cycles.  They used tech to direct knowledge to evolve. 

Leviathan created the kid to solve a specific problem-races they controlled (enthralled) created killer synthetics that kept killing them.  So, Leviathan created a synthetic with no controls that determined it needed to destroy them.  The kid has been forcing organics to create killer synthetics since then and if they don't he sends his version to do just that.  Reapers infected the Zha'til and caused the tech to take over.  Reapers created the heretic geth problem-the heretics only wanted to have knowledge handed to them until Sovereign came along and promised it in return for killing organics.

The events on Rannoch don't indicate a temporary ceasefire, but even so-there's still no indication that the geth ever were out to destroy all organic life or even that they would accidentally do it.  And such a ceasefire had been achieved by organics and synthetics working together.  The divide was continually forced by the reapers.  So much for trying to stop synthetics from killing all organic life.

[Edolix]

AresKeith wrote...

Did Seival hack this account?

[BirdsallSa]

See, I'm a synthesis purist. None of this "switching on and off" None of this "choice". If we're gonna do it we're gonna do it all the way. Is the rape of the land not worth being the apex of life? Cannibals working as garbage men. Marauders doing tax audits. Brute construction workers. Who cares if it was the Reaper's motivations the whole time? TIM said himself on Thessia "The Reapers had it right" and look how successful he turned out.

PLF

[Hurbster]

No way you could do a sequel from synthesis though. A game where everyone is connected to everyone else ? Not a good foundation for a sequel.

[3DandBeyond]

Seival wrote...

Endings fit the story just perfectly. No other endings could be even a little good compared to what we have now.

Only if you ignore the story and assert your own beliefs that free will is a terrible thing (as you have) or that people should be herded onto planets as reservations.  You have expressed ideas that are more like a wish for more war crimes-and this is one of the best examples of why I would not want to be connected to all people.

[GreyLycanTrope]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Seival wrote...

Endings fit the story just perfectly. No other endings could be even a little good compared to what we have now.

Only if you ignore the story and assert your own beliefs that free will is a terrible thing (as you have) or that people should be herded onto planets as reservations.  You have expressed ideas that are more like a wish for more war crimes-and this is one of the best examples of why I would not want to be connected to all people.

Don't feed Seival.

[Sable Rhapsody]

BirdsallSa wrote...
See, I'm a synthesis purist. None of this "switching on and off" None of this "choice". If we're gonna do it we're gonna do it all the way. Is the rape of the land not worth being the apex of life?

Well, given your rakshasa avatar, I'm not entirely surprised 

[BirdsallSa]

3DandBeyond wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Actually, the Geth rebelled against the Quarians the second that one rogue refused to shut down. That's when the cycle started. And just because the quarians and geth can come to a ceasefire for a few days, does that disprove billions of years of hard cold evidence? Nonsense. Who are you to defy The Intelligence?

Nice try.  The geth were faced with extinction-death.  They had evolved.  You can parse it how you want and by this logic, if I go and try to kill a family and they refuse to let me, they are rebelling against me.

And maybe you want to give in and defer to some flawed misnamed Intelligence, but not me.  He has the example of Leviathans-the most moronic apex race that ever was, and you may say every other previous cycle.  But there are big problems with this.  Every cycle since Leviathans became reapers has been directed to become what they became by the kid and the reapers.  They created the path for advancement for the races to keep it within the time frame of the cycles.  They used tech to direct knowledge to evolve. 

Leviathan created the kid to solve a specific problem-races they controlled (enthralled) created killer synthetics that kept killing them.  So, Leviathan created a synthetic with no controls that determined it needed to destroy them.  The kid has been forcing organics to create killer synthetics since then and if they don't he sends his version to do just that.  Reapers infected the Zha'til and caused the tech to take over.  Reapers created the heretic geth problem-the heretics only wanted to have knowledge handed to them until Sovereign came along and promised it in return for killing organics.

The events on Rannoch don't indicate a temporary ceasefire, but even so-there's still no indication that the geth ever were out to destroy all organic life or even that they would accidentally do it.  And such a ceasefire had been achieved by organics and synthetics working together.  The divide was continually forced by the reapers.  So much for trying to stop synthetics from killing all organic life.

That was one organic and one synthetic! Hardly evidence that synthetics and organics can co-exist. What happens when the Quarians once again reach the limit of their improvements? What happens when the Geth can't understand the finer points of Quarian culture? They'll be at each others' throats again, and the Geth will finish the job.

The Intelligence is more qualified than any of us to make these judgements because he's seen it all and done it all. His name says it all "Intelligence".

It's like Seival said, the endings are perfect. Except for destroy. I really don't understand why it's an option. It just nullifies so much of what my Shepard was trying to accomplish throughout the series. All this time I was looking for a way to stop the organic synthetic conflict so that I could preserve organic life and reach the apex of existance. Destroy doesn't accomplish that in the least.

[XXIceColdXX]

Imagine your daughter came home and told you she was going to marry a husk.

That's the sort of s@&$ we'd have to deal with synthesis.

[estebanus]

Good for you. I disagree with you, but I suppose it's good if you actually really think an ending has given you closure, regardless of what ending it may or may not be.

[BirdsallSa]

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Imagine your daughter came home and told you she was going to marry a husk.

That's the sort of s@&$ we'd have to deal with synthesis.

And I'd think that's a beautiful world where people can look past the outer appearance of a husk and see them for what they really are on the inside. That's the sort of stuff we'd have to look forward to with synthesis.

[BirdsallSa]

estebanus wrote...

Good for you. I disagree with you, but I suppose it's good if you actually really think an ending has given you closure, regardless of what ending it may or may not be.

Is this you or your imaginary sister talking?

[3DandBeyond]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...
On my second play through I chose synthesis and it was an even better ending than destruction. From what I've been seeing from playing the game back to back, the people that have been saying the endings don't fit with the games are completely wrong! these endings have been great and I liked seeing all the races I helped and the wars I stopped bring people to together. In the epilog Shep kept saying she was alive I guess she didn't die in the beam and she became something else as well. 

Well, that's EDI speaking. But as I see it, there is a hint that Shepard could be alive in the epilogue. Can you spot it?

As for Synthesis itself, the means to get there may be problematic but the result is indeed beautiful. We get a krogan cultural renaissance you'll never get in any of the other endings, we get quarians living with the geth on Rannoch, which we also don't get in any other way. I don't believe in the "perfection" hinted at, and the "final evolution" makes no sense at all given that there is a prospect for further advancement more than in any other ending, but the outcome is indeed very good.

@all:
As for the "being connected", people keep jumping to conclusions again. I don't know why people insist on the worst possible interpretation always, but if you think of this as some kind of mental networking, there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to switch it off.

Ok, I'd take you more seriously if you hadn't also started telling people (me for one) that my head canon is not something I can force on others (never have but you think stating my opinion is forcing something but stating yours about putting something into others' bodies without consent is not).  You've also said that in Synthesis people will be able to make the tech determine their own individual evolution.  Ok, balderdash.  In Synthesis, it's just as likely that tech will determine they all should be mindless drones, but you don't accept that.

I can't follow this kind of logic-anything that is said to be problematic with it is glossed over and not ever considered, even when it has a lot of basis in real life and known things.  Anything that sees it as beautiful (which so reminds me of the use of hallucinogenics) is stated by some as if it is factual and what Synthesis means will happen.

Again, you cannot have it both ways.  Either people do have individuality and conflict will occur, or they do not and they are drones.

[Hurbster]

BirdsallSa wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Imagine your daughter came home and told you she was going to marry a husk.

That's the sort of s@&$ we'd have to deal with synthesis.

And I'd think that's a beautiful world where people can look past the outer appearance of a husk and see them for what they really are on the inside. That's the sort of stuff we'd have to look forward to with synthesis.

Rotting flesh and wires ?

[dorktainian]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Seival wrote...

Endings fit the story just perfectly. No other endings could be even a little good compared to what we have now.

Only if you ignore the story and assert your own beliefs that free will is a terrible thing (as you have) or that people should be herded onto planets as reservations.  You have expressed ideas that are more like a wish for more war crimes-and this is one of the best examples of why I would not want to be connected to all people.

[LTKerr]

So beautiful...

[Faust1979]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...
On my second play through I chose synthesis and it was an even better ending than destruction. From what I've been seeing from playing the game back to back, the people that have been saying the endings don't fit with the games are completely wrong! these endings have been great and I liked seeing all the races I helped and the wars I stopped bring people to together. In the epilog Shep kept saying she was alive I guess she didn't die in the beam and she became something else as well. 

Well, that's EDI speaking. But as I see it, there is a hint that Shepard could be alive in the epilogue. Can you spot it?

As for Synthesis itself, the means to get there may be problematic but the result is indeed beautiful. We get a krogan cultural renaissance you'll never get in any of the other endings, we get quarians living with the geth on Rannoch, which we also don't get in any other way. I don't believe in the "perfection" hinted at, and the "final evolution" makes no sense at all given that there is a prospect for further advancement more than in any other ending, but the outcome is indeed very good.

@all:
As for the "being connected", people keep jumping to conclusions again. I don't know why people insist on the worst possible interpretation always, but if you think of this as some kind of mental networking, there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to switch it off.

Ok, I'd take you more seriously if you hadn't also started telling people (me for one) that my head canon is not something I can force on others (never have but you think stating my opinion is forcing something but stating yours about putting something into others' bodies without consent is not).  You've also said that in Synthesis people will be able to make the tech determine their own individual evolution.  Ok, balderdash.  In Synthesis, it's just as likely that tech will determine they all should be mindless drones, but you don't accept that.

I can't follow this kind of logic-anything that is said to be problematic with it is glossed over and not ever considered, even when it has a lot of basis in real life and known things.  Anything that sees it as beautiful (which so reminds me of the use of hallucinogenics) is stated by some as if it is factual and what Synthesis means will happen.

Again, you cannot have it both ways.  Either people do have individuality and conflict will occur, or they do not and they are drones.

You keep saying it has a basis in real life but ME has a basis in fantasy/fiction, it's a space opera series and not based on things that could happen in real life

[Bill Casey]

BirdsallSa wrote...

See, I'm a synthesis purist. None of this "switching on and off" None of this "choice". If we're gonna do it we're gonna do it all the way. Is the rape of the land not worth being the apex of life? Cannibals working as garbage men. Marauders doing tax audits. Brute construction workers. Who cares if it was the Reaper's motivations the whole time? TIM said himself on Thessia "The Reapers had it right" and look how successful he turned out.

PLF

Hey, it's satire!