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[chidingewe8036]

Anyone who picked Control or Synthesis........you are indoctrinated. Deny it all you want, try to justify it all you want, try to spit logic at me all you want, your indoctrinated but if that is how you role.............like your new master says "SO BE IT"

You can quote me, you can bash me, you can respond or don't respond I will not see it anyways because I hate hate HATE Control Synthesis love threads and I am not coming back in here after this I just wanted to pop in on the conversation and troll a little.

Indoctrination Theory is true and Bioware are Trolls for not denying or confirming it but it does not matter it just sums up the entire ME3 experience..........just a big arse TROLLING of the fans.

[fiendishchicken]

Troll thread or Seival/Ieldra.

That's the only excuse for making a pro synthesis thread.

Seriously, some of the arguments from people who choose synthesis are even worse than some of our destroy/refuse ending arguments.

BW themselves is terrible.

"No more organic or synthetic. Just life" - Michael Gamble.

[thebigbad1013]

iakus wrote...

Haargel wrote...

Sorry, imo, NO.

If you think it is the best, I respect that, I'm not here to force an ending to anyone.

Synthesis for me looked like: rape the whole galaxy, I chose destroy everytime, and still got heartbroken by the fact that the Geth and EDI died.

I keep thinking of Mal Reynolds:

Sure as I know anything, I know this - they will try again. Maybe on another world, maybe on this very ground swept clean. A year from now, ten? They'll swing back to the belief that they can make people... better. And I do not hold to that.

So much this. (and kudos to you for the Firefly/Serenity reference)

There is absolutely nothing beautiful to me about synthesis, quite the opposite, in fact,  I view it as something truly horrific.

[BirdsallSa]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Troll thread or Seival/Ieldra.

That's the only excuse for making a pro synthesis thread.

Seriously, some of the arguments from people who choose synthesis are even worse than some of our destroy/refuse ending arguments.

BW themselves is terrible.

"No more organic or synthetic. Just life" - Michael Gamble.

I wish you could see synthesis like we do.... It's so... perfect.

[3DandBeyond]

BirdsallSa wrote...

That was one organic and one synthetic! Hardly evidence that synthetics and organics can co-exist. What happens when the Quarians once again reach the limit of their improvements? What happens when the Geth can't understand the finer points of Quarian culture? They'll be at each others' throats again, and the Geth will finish the job.

The Intelligence is more qualified than any of us to make these judgements because he's seen it all and done it all. His name says it all "Intelligence".

It's like Seival said, the endings are perfect. Except for destroy. I really don't understand why it's an option. It just nullifies so much of what my Shepard was trying to accomplish throughout the series. All this time I was looking for a way to stop the organic synthetic conflict so that I could preserve organic life and reach the apex of existance. Destroy doesn't accomplish that in the least.

Actually, that was billions of synthetics and millions of organics that decided to work together and it is what Shepard would know, not what some flawed self-important AI programmed by the idiot Leviathans would think.  Is the kid God?  Are the Leviathans?  If not, then why treat them as such.  The Leviathans are flawed organics that created a flawed AI.  Even the smartest people in the galaxy cannot create a perfect AI.  No such thing exists.  And even if the kid saw a lot of things, he'd still view it with imperfection-not the least of which is a lack of understanding.  He can't get the nuance of the capabilities of real life circumstances to avoid an inevitability.  And he sees something that has never happened as inevitable.  That's pretty stupid.  If he was a person and said to you today that synthetics will always kill organics, would you instantly believe him?  I doubt it-you'd question why he thinks that and what proves that is so.  And yet, organics created the kid-they gave him the knowledge and the framework in which to work. 

The kid is no smarter than the smartest person, unless you view number crunching as the only sign of intelligence.  That kid could not predict with any certainty nor any accuracy what lottery number will be chosen tomorrow because he cannot predict chaos.  That's why he struggles for order because then he will be right.  Synthetics are order, organics are chaos.  He seeks the removal of chaos because it's randomness.  But the thing is it's that chaos or randomness that is the real strength that people have-they can adapt to changing tides.  The kidi cannot.  He sees one possible outcome. 

The endings don't fit what was in the game.  If you think the kid is some know all/be all authority and can then say the geth have no relevance and rebelled, I just don't think you understood the story.  The kid is the best example of his own flawed logic, a wannabe god.

This logic device says his solution (the reapers) no longer works.  At the moment he knows that, as a logic device, he would stop using them, but he doesn't.  His knowledge is non-existent.

[Uncle Jo]

BirdsallSa wrote...


However, Synthesis is inevitable. And saying that one person has control is a pre synthesis mentality. It makes us all connected. The Catalyst explains this. Synthesis puts an end, once and for all, to the organic-synthetic conflict. That's what makes it so beautiful.

Prove it.

[Mathias]

3DandBeyond wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

However, Synthesis is inevitable. And saying that one person has control is a pre synthesis mentality. It makes us all connected. The Catalyst explains this. Synthesis puts an end, once and for all, to the organic-synthetic conflict. That's what makes it so beautiful.

Yeah, the Catalyst is actually not proof of anything.  He thinks a lot of things are inevitable.  So what?  He's about as flawed in his logic as anything can get and has the audacity to be called an AI-well, artificially (as in false) intelligence may be about right.  His logic is not logic.  His model for everything is based upon a certain point in time and not current events.  Synthesis does no such thing-it isn't logical to conclude it stops such a conflict.  Because it doesn't require people have the desire to change, unless it forces them to do so.  So you think that's beautiful?  Forcing people to become controlled internally by tech?  Remember, if free will exists conflict will occur.  People have individual thought and will disagree.  Synthesis merely removes organic life from the equation, but it could be created again.  And there's nothing stopping Synthetics from accidentally killing or deciding to kill.  And how about that tech inside people-you ignore that still.  What about the body's natural defenses?  What about someone not liking this connection and wanting to do what EDI wanted?

What is a post-synthesis mentality?  No one has control or everyone does over everyone else?  I'm sorry but I don't want to be connected to you.  And EDI didn't want to be part of a hive mind.  Legion wanted to be an individual.  Some synthetics might want to be "connected" but most organics don't want to be, not in that way.


Synthesis is not inevitable not as shown.  That isn't something that will just happen, people will grow tech in their DNA. 

What do you mean you don't believe his logic?

I mean sure, he is the biggest and most successful mass murderer in galactic history. But so what? 

[estebanus]

BirdsallSa wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Good for you. I disagree with you, but I suppose it's good if you actually really think an ending has given you closure, regardless of what ending it may or may not be.

Is this you or your imaginary sister talking?

Do I know you...?

[BirdsallSa]

3DandBeyond wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

That was one organic and one synthetic! Hardly evidence that synthetics and organics can co-exist. What happens when the Quarians once again reach the limit of their improvements? What happens when the Geth can't understand the finer points of Quarian culture? They'll be at each others' throats again, and the Geth will finish the job.

The Intelligence is more qualified than any of us to make these judgements because he's seen it all and done it all. His name says it all "Intelligence".

It's like Seival said, the endings are perfect. Except for destroy. I really don't understand why it's an option. It just nullifies so much of what my Shepard was trying to accomplish throughout the series. All this time I was looking for a way to stop the organic synthetic conflict so that I could preserve organic life and reach the apex of existance. Destroy doesn't accomplish that in the least.

Actually, that was billions of synthetics and millions of organics that decided to work together and it is what Shepard would know, not what some flawed self-important AI programmed by the idiot Leviathans would think.  Is the kid God?  Are the Leviathans?  If not, then why treat them as such.  The Leviathans are flawed organics that created a flawed AI.  Even the smartest people in the galaxy cannot create a perfect AI.  No such thing exists.  And even if the kid saw a lot of things, he'd still view it with imperfection-not the least of which is a lack of understanding.  He can't get the nuance of the capabilities of real life circumstances to avoid an inevitability.  And he sees something that has never happened as inevitable.  That's pretty stupid.  If he was a person and said to you today that synthetics will always kill organics, would you instantly believe him?  I doubt it-you'd question why he thinks that and what proves that is so.  And yet, organics created the kid-they gave him the knowledge and the framework in which to work. 

The kid is no smarter than the smartest person, unless you view number crunching as the only sign of intelligence.  That kid could not predict with any certainty nor any accuracy what lottery number will be chosen tomorrow because he cannot predict chaos.  That's why he struggles for order because then he will be right.  Synthetics are order, organics are chaos.  He seeks the removal of chaos because it's randomness.  But the thing is it's that chaos or randomness that is the real strength that people have-they can adapt to changing tides.  The kidi cannot.  He sees one possible outcome. 

The endings don't fit what was in the game.  If you think the kid is some know all/be all authority and can then say the geth have no relevance and rebelled, I just don't think you understood the story.  The kid is the best example of his own flawed logic, a wannabe god.

This logic device says his solution (the reapers) no longer works.  At the moment he knows that, as a logic device, he would stop using them, but he doesn't.  His knowledge is non-existent.

First of all, the Leviathans were geniuses. They created an AI that has functioned for eons. The prodigy Leviathan says so himself, "There was no mistake. The Intelligence still serves its purpose." It appears all of you missed the point of the story. It was about finding a way to stop the organic synthetic conflict. That's not an opinion, that's not headcanon, that is a fact. Synthesis is the only ending that achieves this. Not an opinion, not headcanon, but a fact. There's only one outcome with the other choices, chaos, which will lead to the extinction of all organic life.

The Intelligence isn't a wannabe God, and only a pre synthesis mentality would think of such nonsense. He is the fearless leader that gave Shepard the honor of choosing Synthesis. You should be in awe. Everyone who doesn't agree is just entitled and wants to be spoonfed the answers.

[Mathias]

BirdsallSa wrote...

First of all, the Leviathans were geniuses. They created an AI that has functioned for eons. The prodigy Leviathan says so himself, "There was no mistake. The Intelligence still serves its purpose." It appears all of you missed the point of the story. It was about finding a way to stop the organic synthetic conflict. That's not an opinion, that's not headcanon, that is a fact. Synthesis is the only ending that achieves this. Not an opinion, not headcanon, but a fact. There's only one outcome with the other choices, chaos, which will lead to the extinction of all organic life.

The Intelligence isn't a wannabe God, and only a pre synthesis mentality would think of such nonsense. He is the fearless leader that gave Shepard the honor of choosing Synthesis. You should be in awe. Everyone who doesn't agree is just entitled and wants to be spoonfed the answers.

Dude you lost all credibility and the ability to be taken seriously, when you talked about someone marrying a Husk, to be a beautiful thing. You're either a troll or a creep.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 29 janvier 2013 - 09:21 .

[Cyberfrog81]

Obviously the Intelligence is not to be trusted when it says it is trying to help us organics against those oh so dangerous synthetics.

Why is it obvious? The quarians, foolish as they were, would have wiped out the geth. But then the Reapers intervene, upgrade the synthetics, take control of them, and.... bye-bye quarians.

Except Shepard stands in the way, and is able to save at least one of the two. Then the ending happens, and forces you to work together with the entity responsible for it all (or you can choose to resist, and be told it was pointless; everybody dies). You need the Catalyst in order to use the Crucible.

BioWare promised bittersweet. We got horrifying. Disturbingly enough, it isn't just trolls that call succumbing to the supposedly superior Reaper Intelligence "beautiful".

[BirdsallSa]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

First of all, the Leviathans were geniuses. They created an AI that has functioned for eons. The prodigy Leviathan says so himself, "There was no mistake. The Intelligence still serves its purpose." It appears all of you missed the point of the story. It was about finding a way to stop the organic synthetic conflict. That's not an opinion, that's not headcanon, that is a fact. Synthesis is the only ending that achieves this. Not an opinion, not headcanon, but a fact. There's only one outcome with the other choices, chaos, which will lead to the extinction of all organic life.

The Intelligence isn't a wannabe God, and only a pre synthesis mentality would think of such nonsense. He is the fearless leader that gave Shepard the honor of choosing Synthesis. You should be in awe. Everyone who doesn't agree is just entitled and wants to be spoonfed the answers.

Dude you lost all credibility and the ability to be taken seriously, when you talked about someone marrying a Husk, to be a beautiful thing. You're either a troll or a creep.

The concept of marriage may not even exist in a post synthesis world. The point is, they aren't "husks" anymore. They're a living creature with the same basic needs as anyone else.

[Dr_Extrem]

Uncle Jo wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...


However, Synthesis is inevitable. And saying that one person has control is a pre synthesis mentality. It makes us all connected. The Catalyst explains this. Synthesis puts an end, once and for all, to the organic-synthetic conflict. That's what makes it so beautiful.

Prove it.

even if synthesis is really inevitable. if it appens "naturally", it happens on our terms. the individual would have the choice. the way the catalyst and shepard force it on the galaxy, is the problem.

its not the idea, it its execution.


btw. this board starts to scare the crap out of me.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 29 janvier 2013 - 09:23 .

[BirdsallSa]

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

Obviously the Intelligence is not to be trusted when it says it is trying to help us organics against those oh so dangerous synthetics.

Why is it obvious? The quarians, foolish as they were, would have wiped out the geth. But then the Reapers intervene, upgrade the synthetics, take control of them, and.... bye-bye quarians.

Except Shepard stands in the way, and is able to save at least one of the two. Then the ending happens, and forces you to work together with the entity responsible for it all (or you can choose to resist, and be told it was pointless; everybody dies). You need the Catalyst in order to use the Crucible.

BioWare promised bittersweet. We got horrifying. Disturbingly enough, it isn't just trolls that call succumbing to the supposedly superior Reaper Intelligence "beautiful".

This is a perfect example of a pre-synthesis mindset. So focused on who did what however many thousands of years ago. All that's important is that we have a chance to do something great and with the Intelligence leading the charge we can go get it!

[ruggly]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

First of all, the Leviathans were geniuses. They created an AI that has functioned for eons. The prodigy Leviathan says so himself, "There was no mistake. The Intelligence still serves its purpose." It appears all of you missed the point of the story. It was about finding a way to stop the organic synthetic conflict. That's not an opinion, that's not headcanon, that is a fact. Synthesis is the only ending that achieves this. Not an opinion, not headcanon, but a fact. There's only one outcome with the other choices, chaos, which will lead to the extinction of all organic life.

The Intelligence isn't a wannabe God, and only a pre synthesis mentality would think of such nonsense. He is the fearless leader that gave Shepard the honor of choosing Synthesis. You should be in awe. Everyone who doesn't agree is just entitled and wants to be spoonfed the answers.

Dude you lost all credibility and the ability to be taken seriously, when you talked about someone marrying a Husk, to be a beautiful thing. You're either a troll or a creep.

The concept of marriage may not even exist in a post synthesis world. The point is, they aren't "husks" anymore. They're a living creature with the same basic needs as anyone else.

so then, does love exist anymore?

[AresKeith]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

First of all, the Leviathans were geniuses. They created an AI that has functioned for eons. The prodigy Leviathan says so himself, "There was no mistake. The Intelligence still serves its purpose." It appears all of you missed the point of the story. It was about finding a way to stop the organic synthetic conflict. That's not an opinion, that's not headcanon, that is a fact. Synthesis is the only ending that achieves this. Not an opinion, not headcanon, but a fact. There's only one outcome with the other choices, chaos, which will lead to the extinction of all organic life.

The Intelligence isn't a wannabe God, and only a pre synthesis mentality would think of such nonsense. He is the fearless leader that gave Shepard the honor of choosing Synthesis. You should be in awe. Everyone who doesn't agree is just entitled and wants to be spoonfed the answers.

Dude you lost all credibility and the ability to be taken seriously, when you talked about someone marrying a Husk, to be a beautiful thing. You're either a troll or a creep.

I knew he was trolling when he said this:

BirdsallSa wrote...

Who are you to defy The Intelligence?

[BirdsallSa]

@Ruggly
Define love

[Ticonderoga117]

BirdsallSa wrote...
This is a perfect example of a pre-synthesis mindset. So focused on who did what however many thousands of years ago. All that's important is that we have a chance to do something great and with the Intelligence leading the charge we can go get it!

"See Andromeda over there? They haven't been synthesised yet. Let them feel the glory and enlightenment of synthesis so we may bring them into the fold!"

Yes, because having that insane AI lead the charge is such a great idea.

[Dr_Extrem]

BirdsallSa wrote...

@Ruggly
Define love

a neurobiological reaction, that involves phenyl-ethylamine and other neurereceptors.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 29 janvier 2013 - 09:29 .

[BirdsallSa]

I am not a troll. I just see things... differently.
I'm here to bring legitimacy back to Synthesis.

[lex0r11]

[Dr_Extrem]

BirdsallSa wrote...

I am not a troll. I just see things... differently.
I'm here to bring legitimacy back to Synthesis.

did it ever had that? .. its an asspull, with no story-background in the meu. the only piece of lore involving synthesis, was a codex entry in mass effect 2 - and it was stripped.

edi and the geth are alive before synthesis - it is just a different form of life. synthesis pisses on edis achievement to become alive, by adapting herself. synthesis just says: "you were not really alive before - take this and you will feel better." 

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 29 janvier 2013 - 09:33 .

[V-rcingetorix]

My mindset is about the same, pre and post EC. All the EC changed was the panicked look on Jokers' face, and some backstory imagery. The Refusal option...technically a change to the ending, was more of an insult than an option. At least, in my humble opinion.

The only change I would have made to the ending would be the hint that Geth would be destroyed. Sacrifice EDI? Well, I had to sacrifice Kaiden/Ashley back on VIrmire, and I feel for Joker but let's be honest: Reapers lie. They lie by indoctrinating Saren (remember his "appreciation that justice had been served"), by inducing politicians to "enter their superstructure to negotiate peace" and who knows what else.

Synthesis feels like a twisted control freak, Control was espoused by TIM (whom I disliked even in ME2, as a former Alliance soldier), and Destroy just blows everything up.

I'm sorry, but my opinion has not changed. For a fantastic game, it had a horrible ending. You can quote me on that.

[BirdsallSa]

The beauty of Synthesis, is that it shows the final progression of EDI and the Geth. Edi FELT alive before. She IS alive in synthesis... and she is not alone.

[ruggly]

BirdsallSa wrote...

I am not a troll. I just see things... differently.
I'm here to bring legitimacy back to Synthesis.

there was none to begin with to me