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[MegaSovereign]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Headcanon at its finest. I especially like how you try to dismiss the idea of Shepard reinstating the cycle after the supervillain speech he gives in the epilogue.

And how is that idea that you're pushing not considered headcanon? It's not explicitly shown, stated, or even implied that the Reapers will "reinstate the cycle."

In fact, implying that it would is completely counter-productive to what the ending is presented to be.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 29 janvier 2013 - 10:55 .

[frostajulie]

mjh417 wrote...

Synthesis is anything but beautiful. I find it horrific and disturbing to the core, more disturbing than the Renegade Control ending even.

Synthesis has always made me uneasy there are too many siumilarities in synthesis to how reapers are created and all their abomination soldiers, fusing different species together.  It is horrific, grotesque and metaphorical rape on an unimaginable scale.  It is repulsive and creepy.

But I am happy that you liked an ending.  I myself liked refuse, but not enough to ever replay this ****ty game.

[Reorte]

MegaSovereign wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Headcanon at its finest. I especially like how you try to dismiss the idea of Shepard reinstating the cycle after the supervillain speech he gives in the epilogue.

And how is that idea that you're pushing not considered headcanon? It's not explicitly shown, stated, or even implied that the Reapers will "reinstate the cycle."

In fact, implying that it would is completely counter-productive to what the ending is presented to be.

And what is presented doesn't stack up. Logical consideration of what has been shown and what we know suggests a high probability of it. If what's shown doesn't match that then it's got a lot of explaining to do.

[Tinu]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

I don't see anything particularly beautiful about mass indoctrination or forcing trans-humanism on everyone.

Synthesis is not the same as mass indoctrination. I genuinely believe that this is the best ending as well.
In the end, destroy will bring back the rivalry between synthetics and living creatures. Having both combined is avoiding constant war between those two and helping in creating perfection of all alien races (humans included). 

EDI is the symbol of synthesis and she sets a great example of how an AI can evolve in something new, something alive. All alien races will have the finest form of technology within themselves, so the two groups can grow together as one. 

[Dr_Extrem]

TinuHawke wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

I don't see anything particularly beautiful about mass indoctrination or forcing trans-humanism on everyone.

Synthesis is not the same as mass indoctrination. I genuinely believe that this is the best ending as well.
In the end, destroy will bring back the rivalry between synthetics and living creatures. Having both combined is avoiding constant war between those two and helping in creating perfection of all alien races (humans included). 

EDI is the symbol of synthesis and she sets a great example of how an AI can evolve in something new, something alive. All alien races will have the finest form of technology within themselves, so the two groups can grow together as one. 

again - were edi ad the geth not alive before synthesis? why did the geth upgrade themselves with reaper code on rannoch to become alive, if it did not do it? why did edi ask shepard for input and altered her programming the way she wanted, if she was not alive as well?

living beings care - the geth and edi did care for other people - even before ssynthesis.


life has many forms. synthesis destroys the idea, that other forms of life, are life as wall.

[Valdimier]

Man I get the feeling that Bioware wanted exactly this kind of discussions, when the game was released.... Maybe a little nicer and friendlier That sure misfired big...

Anyway, I find it funny how everybody defends their decision to the death.... It´s just a game.

P.S.

There is only one choice... And that`s destroy

[domainfighter]

Valdimier wrote...

Man I get the feeling that Bioware wanted exactly this kind of discussions, when the game was released.... Maybe a little nicer and friendlier That sure misfired big...

Anyway, I find it funny how everybody defends their decision to the death.... It´s just a game.

P.S.

There is only one choice... And that`s destroy

its them or us! I will always choose destroy

[Ticonderoga117]

TinuHawke wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

I don't see anything particularly beautiful about mass indoctrination or forcing trans-humanism on everyone.

Synthesis is not the same as mass indoctrination. I genuinely believe that this is the best ending as well.
In the end, destroy will bring back the rivalry between synthetics and living creatures. Having both combined is avoiding constant war between those two and helping in creating perfection of all alien races (humans included). 

EDI is the symbol of synthesis and she sets a great example of how an AI can evolve in something new, something alive. All alien races will have the finest form of technology within themselves, so the two groups can grow together as one. 

So turning people into husks, pretty much, without consent is ok? Not too mention that the giant space squids that can hack anything and can indoctrinate organic minds are still around.

[Auintus]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

So turning people into husks, pretty much, without consent is ok? Not too mention that the giant space squids that can hack anything and can indoctrinate organic minds are still around.

It's transhumanism. Post-synthesis asari don't look like Banshees. Post-synthesis humans don't look like husks. Post-synthesis turians don't look like Marauders. It's not reaperization. And the reapers have no more reason to indoctrinate anyone and instead share the memories of the harvested races.
That's what I see in destroy: genoide against the geth, and then another genocide for every Reaper killed. So I choose synthesis.

[spirosz]

AresKeith wrote...

Did Seival hack this account?

[Wompoo]

Sorry OP, but honestly the Synthesis ending is the worst of the 3 craptastic endings imo. A totally amoral choice. It was also space magic taken to the most ridiculous level, a nauseating and pathetic level.

However, I'm glad some/one got something from it.

[themikefest]

when you look up the word stupid you see the synthesis ending

I always pick destroy

[Ticonderoga117]

Auintus wrote...
It's transhumanism. Post-synthesis asari don't look like Banshees. Post-synthesis humans don't look like husks. Post-synthesis turians don't look like Marauders. It's not reaperization. And the reapers have no more reason to indoctrinate anyone and instead share the memories of the harvested races.
That's what I see in destroy: genoide against the geth, and then another genocide for every Reaper killed. So I choose synthesis.

Forced transhumanism... for everyone... because apparently trying to talk and learn the old fashioned way just doesn't cut it for some reason. That is why it's abhorrent.

[Red Panda]

Synthesis was a gorgeous ending, worthy of being the end to this masterful game. It brought tears to my eyes, and reminded all of the struggles between synthetics and organics that dominated the series. But best of all, it told us of the power of forgiveness, and how more life may be saved in the long run through the sacrifice of the one, to unanimously improve the lives of everyone on a galactic scale. Together, an improved galaxy will acheive great things, and rise above the pettiness that had almost brought about their destruction. Through trust of catalyst and crucible, galaxy and Shepard, there is no limit to what the galaxy can accomplish. Through the Shepard's sacrifice, all life is free to develop in any direction they desire.

[Auintus]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Auintus wrote...
It's transhumanism. Post-synthesis asari don't look like Banshees. Post-synthesis humans don't look like husks. Post-synthesis turians don't look like Marauders. It's not reaperization. And the reapers have no more reason to indoctrinate anyone and instead share the memories of the harvested races.
That's what I see in destroy: genoide against the geth, and then another genocide for every Reaper killed. So I choose synthesis.

Forced transhumanism... for everyone... because apparently trying to talk and learn the old fashioned way just doesn't cut it for some reason. That is why it's abhorrent.

Well, if your descision was made purely on preserving free will, I assume you chose Control?
It's better. It's not that the baseline doesn't cut it, but why settle for less when you could have more?

I suppose it's a matter of priorities. I chose improvement and robbed the galaxy of one little choice. And now they have the ability to make many more choices.

Modifié par Auintus, 30 janvier 2013 - 12:32 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

The choice ain't little, it's not like you picked strawberry ice cream for all when some wanted chocolate. You've elected to permentally alter them physically. Them and the next generation.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 30 janvier 2013 - 12:38 .

[Red Panda]

Greylycantrope wrote...

The choice ain't little, it's not like you picked strawberry ice cream for all when some wanted chocolate. You've elected to alter them physically.

The galaxy placed its trust in Shepard. Therefore, their lives are in Shepard's hands.

[spirosz]

OperatingWookie wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

The choice ain't little, it's not like you picked strawberry ice cream for all when some wanted chocolate. You've elected to alter them physically.

The galaxy placed its trust in Shepard. Therefore, their lives are in Shepard's hands.

ROFL.  

[spirosz]

Please, everyone follow Shepard's lead, jump off the high rise building.

[Red Panda]

spirosz wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

The choice ain't little, it's not like you picked strawberry ice cream for all when some wanted chocolate. You've elected to alter them physically.

The galaxy placed its trust in Shepard. Therefore, their lives are in Shepard's hands.

ROFL.  

That is no laughing matter. Shepard, and Shepard alone makes the choice.

Therefore, it is logical that the galaxy and all who live in it at that moment is Shepard's.

[Eterna]

It's funny how worked up you guys get when someone doesn't agree with your doctrine.

[Red Panda]

Eterna5 wrote...

It's funny how worked up you guys get when someone doesn't agree with your doctrine.

Exactly, people don't get that Synthesis is a perfectly rational and acceptable choice that is also morally viable in every way.

Modifié par OperatingWookie, 30 janvier 2013 - 12:45 .

[spirosz]

It's logical to force this upon everyone? No, it's logical if the execution was, if willing, Shepard makes a movement towards the advancement of synthetic and organic becoming "one" in a sense, to those who would follow this chosen path -

"Were Synthesis about the proposed voluntary alteration of species (Shepard becoming an advocate for the evolutionary future that all could embrace rather than have her force it upon them), it could be a beautiful, potentially mournful vision of the need to adapt and change together, to become something greater. "

Modifié par spirosz, 30 janvier 2013 - 12:46 .

[themikefest]

OperatingWookie wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

The choice ain't little, it's not like you picked strawberry ice cream for all when some wanted chocolate. You've elected to alter them physically.

The galaxy placed its trust in Shepard. Therefore, their lives are in Shepard's hands.

Yes the galaxy put their trust in Shepard
they wanted Shepard to save them not change them

[Red Panda]

spirosz wrote...

It's logical to force this upon everyone?

Yes, because the galaxy is unable to save itself. It's utterly incapable, its leaders are morons and couldn't find their way out of a wet paper bag.

Synthesis makes them better than they were.