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[Vargeisa]

Synthesis turns all organic life into a new dna.
Bananas and tomatoes are also organic life. Everyone would turn into cannibals

[spirosz]

OperatingWookie wrote...

spirosz wrote...

It's logical to force this upon everyone?

Yes, because the galaxy is unable to save itself. It's utterly incapable, its leaders are morons and couldn't find their way out of a wet paper bag.

Synthesis makes them better than they were.

Each their own... if you truly believe that, kudos.  I don't and never will.  Synthesis will change that?  Doubtful.

Modifié par spirosz, 30 janvier 2013 - 12:51 .

[Red Panda]

themikefest wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

The choice ain't little, it's not like you picked strawberry ice cream for all when some wanted chocolate. You've elected to alter them physically.

The galaxy placed its trust in Shepard. Therefore, their lives are in Shepard's hands.

Yes the galaxy put their trust in Shepard
they wanted Shepard to save them not change them

But in the end what difference does it make? Their lives will never be the same regardless. Why not make the most out of that? Why not upgrade them to deal with the future, make them better, improve them?

[Red Panda]

TimtheEnchanter wrote...

Synthesis turns all organic life into a new dna.
Bananas and tomatoes are also organic life. Everyone would turn into cannibals

You're wrong. Diversity still exists. Krogan are Krogan. Asari are Asari. They're all just better.

[spirosz]

And will this improvement last? All I see is just more efficient ways of creating chaos in the galxy.

Modifié par spirosz, 30 janvier 2013 - 12:52 .

[Red Panda]

spirosz wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

spirosz wrote...

It's logical to force this upon everyone?

Yes, because the galaxy is unable to save itself. It's utterly incapable, its leaders are morons and couldn't find their way out of a wet paper bag.

Synthesis makes them better than they were.

Each their own... if you truly believe that, kudos.  I don't and never will.  Synthesis will change that?  Doubtful.

Then, we are at an impasse. Neither side will give. I respect that, and I respect you and your opinion.

[MegaSovereign]

What if...Shepard doesn't care?

Synthesis being there as a choice isn't a big deal. A pragmatic Shepard who doesn't care about what others think about the way he does his bizness could go for this choice.

Granted, there are some conceptual problems with Synthesis especially when it comes to logistics. However the choice simply being there doesn't get me worked up. In retrospect. I like the fact that Shepard can reaffirm his position on life and self-determination if he chooses the appropriate dialogue with the Catalyst while it is explaining Synthesis.

[Steelcan]

OperatingWookie wrote...

spirosz wrote...

It's logical to force this upon everyone?

Yes, because the galaxy is unable to save itself. It's utterly incapable, its leaders are morons and couldn't find their way out of a wet paper bag.

Synthesis makes them better than they were.

. No.

[Fuzzfro]

I remember I got torn apart when I made a thread like this at around the extended cuts release date.

Glad to see you like it

[spirosz]

OperatingWookie wrote...

spirosz wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

spirosz wrote...

It's logical to force this upon everyone?

Yes, because the galaxy is unable to save itself. It's utterly incapable, its leaders are morons and couldn't find their way out of a wet paper bag.

Synthesis makes them better than they were.

Each their own... if you truly believe that, kudos.  I don't and never will.  Synthesis will change that?  Doubtful.

Then, we are at an impasse. Neither side will give. I respect that, and I respect you and your opinion.

That's cool, but the thing is, if the leaders and people who represent each race are considered morons, in your opinion, wouldn't they still be morons in a Synthesized world, if it doesn't change a person, per-say.

[Red Panda]

spirosz wrote...

And will this improvement last? All I see is just more efficient ways of creating chaos in the galxy.

And that is true, but it is also a choice of mercy, instead of repeating the genocides of all past cycles by destroying the reapers.

Think of the knowledge the reapers could provide the galaxy, of the secrets they contain! Together, united, the galaxy will stand stronger than ever.

[spirosz]

MegaSovereign wrote...

What if...Shepard doesn't care?

Synthesis being there as a choice isn't a big deal. A pragmatic Shepard who doesn't care about what others think about the way he does his bizness could go for this choice.

Granted, there are some conceptual problems with Synthesis especially when it comes to logistics. However the choice simply being there doesn't get me worked up. In retrospect. I like the fact that Shepard can reaffirm his position on life and self-determination if he chooses the appropriate dialogue with the Catalyst while it is explaining Synthesis.

That's a good point actually, but something affecting so much, I don't know how you couldn't care.  

[themikefest]

OperatingWookie wrote...

themikefest wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

The choice ain't little, it's not like you picked strawberry ice cream for all when some wanted chocolate. You've elected to alter them physically.

The galaxy placed its trust in Shepard. Therefore, their lives are in Shepard's hands.

Yes the galaxy put their trust in Shepard
they wanted Shepard to save them not change them

But in the end what difference does it make? Their lives will never be the same regardless. Why not make the most out of that? Why not upgrade them to deal with the future, make them better, improve them?

it makes alot of difference
Why would I want to walk around looking like a 'glow in the dark stick'?
I never asked to have that crap and fortunately Shepard is dead otherwise I'd kill him/her myself.
If  that were to happen,I'd shoot myself

[Red Panda]

spirosz wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

spirosz wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

spirosz wrote...

It's logical to force this upon everyone?

Yes, because the galaxy is unable to save itself. It's utterly incapable, its leaders are morons and couldn't find their way out of a wet paper bag.

Synthesis makes them better than they were.

Each their own... if you truly believe that, kudos.  I don't and never will.  Synthesis will change that?  Doubtful.

Then, we are at an impasse. Neither side will give. I respect that, and I respect you and your opinion.

That's cool, but the thing is, if the leaders and people who represent each race are considered morons, in your opinion, wouldn't they still be morons in a Synthesized world, if it doesn't change a person, per-say.

They may reconsider their idiocy with upgrades to their intelligence. It's worth a shot.

[Red Panda]

themikefest wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

themikefest wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

The choice ain't little, it's not like you picked strawberry ice cream for all when some wanted chocolate. You've elected to alter them physically.

The galaxy placed its trust in Shepard. Therefore, their lives are in Shepard's hands.

Yes the galaxy put their trust in Shepard
they wanted Shepard to save them not change them

But in the end what difference does it make? Their lives will never be the same regardless. Why not make the most out of that? Why not upgrade them to deal with the future, make them better, improve them?

it makes alot of difference
Why would I want to walk around looking like a 'glow in the dark stick'?
I never asked to have that crap and fortunately Shepard is dead otherwise I'd kill him/her myself.
If  that were to happen,I'd shoot myself

There are casualties in war. Suicides are no exception. It's sad, but the majority of the galaxy would deal with it and adapt.

[MegaSovereign]

spirosz wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

What if...Shepard doesn't care?

Synthesis being there as a choice isn't a big deal. A pragmatic Shepard who doesn't care about what others think about the way he does his bizness could go for this choice.

Granted, there are some conceptual problems with Synthesis especially when it comes to logistics. However the choice simply being there doesn't get me worked up. In retrospect. I like the fact that Shepard can reaffirm his position on life and self-determination if he chooses the appropriate dialogue with the Catalyst while it is explaining Synthesis.

That's a good point actually, but something affecting so much, I don't know how you couldn't care.  

For a failShep playthrough, Synthesis could be chosen as a way of redemption. For example, my FemShep feels sorry for sabotaging the cure, betraying Wrex, and killing the Geth. So she misguidedly sacrifices herself with the intent of giving the galaxy, that she felt she wronged, tools they need to rebuild.

However, this is probably not what the developers initially intended out of the Synthesis ending considering what the leaked script portrayed it as.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 30 janvier 2013 - 01:06 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Auintus wrote...
Well, if your descision was made purely on preserving free will, I assume you chose Control?
It's better. It's not that the baseline doesn't cut it, but why settle for less when you could have more?

I suppose it's a matter of priorities. I chose improvement and robbed the galaxy of one little choice. And now they have the ability to make many more choices.

I'd rather destroy the Geth to Destroy the Reapers, than force the entire galaxy to "improve". Who said it is an improvement or that we, as an entire galaxy, is ready for this kind of change over 5 seconds? Are you crazy?

[WhiteKnyght]

Faust1979 wrote...

On my second play through I chose synthesis and it was an even better ending than destruction. From what I've been seeing from playing the game back to back, the people that have been saying the endings don't fit with the games are completely wrong! these endings have been great and I liked seeing all the races I helped and the wars I stopped bring people to together. In the epilog Shep kept saying she was alive I guess she didn't die in the beam and she became something else as well. 

I like this human! He understands!

[themikefest]

OperatingWookie wrote...

themikefest wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

themikefest wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

The choice ain't little, it's not like you picked strawberry ice cream for all when some wanted chocolate. You've elected to alter them physically.

The galaxy placed its trust in Shepard. Therefore, their lives are in Shepard's hands.

Yes the galaxy put their trust in Shepard
they wanted Shepard to save them not change them

But in the end what difference does it make? Their lives will never be the same regardless. Why not make the most out of that? Why not upgrade them to deal with the future, make them better, improve them?

it makes alot of difference
Why would I want to walk around looking like a 'glow in the dark stick'?
I never asked to have that crap and fortunately Shepard is dead otherwise I'd kill him/her myself.
If  that were to happen,I'd shoot myself

There are casualties in war. Suicides are no exception. It's sad, but the majority of the galaxy would deal with it and adapt.

I know all to well about casualties in war and suicides

If you feel so strongly about it would you volunteer to have synthesis done to you if the opportunity is there?
Could you deal with it and adapt?

[TheRealJayDee]

frostajulie wrote...

mjh417 wrote...

Synthesis is anything but beautiful. I find it horrific and disturbing to the core, more disturbing than the Renegade Control ending even.

Synthesis has always made me uneasy there are too many siumilarities in synthesis to how reapers are created and all their abomination soldiers, fusing different species together.  It is horrific, grotesque and metaphorical rape on an unimaginable scale.  It is repulsive and creepy.

But I am happy that you liked an ending.  I myself liked refuse, but not enough to ever replay this ****ty game.

When it comes to endings that disturbed me personally and I should rate Synthesis on a scale of 1-10, 1 being ME1 ending (not disturbing at all) and 10 being End of Evangelion (literally scarred me for life), it would score at least a solid 7,5. 

Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 30 janvier 2013 - 01:31 .

[Zazzerka]

I had a one-night stand with the synthesis ending. Never again.

[Mavqt]

GT Zazzerka wrote...

I had a one-night stand with the synthesis ending. Never again.

Catch something unsavory, GT?

[MegaSovereign]

GT Zazzerka wrote...

I had a one-night stand with the synthesis ending. Never again.

Dem glow in the dark green eyes looked so attractive right?

[Auintus]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

I'd rather destroy the Geth to Destroy the Reapers, than force the entire galaxy to "improve". Who said it is an improvement or that we, as an entire galaxy, is ready for this kind of change over 5 seconds? Are you crazy?

So the Geth have no say in their sacrifice, but we should consider that some may not want to improve? I don't follow.
I said it was an improvement. The Catalyst said it was an improvement. EDI also seemed to imply as much. Change has to happen sometime. Since everyone's going up at once, the system remains balanced.
Nope. Talked to a psychologist and everything.