mavqt wrote...
Catch something unsavory, GT?
In my defence, everything looks more attractive when you've been drinking. Watching the synthesis ending while you're drunk is like watching the most beautiful thing ever..MegaSovereign wrote...
Dem glow in the dark green eyes looked so attractive right?
Personally? Maybe. It's the fact that no-one can volunteer is one of the main reason that it's so abhorrent.themikefest wrote...
I know all to well about casualties in war and suicidesOperatingWookie wrote...
There are casualties in war. Suicides are no exception. It's sad, but the majority of the galaxy would deal with it and adapt.
If you feel so strongly about it would you volunteer to have synthesis done to you if the opportunity is there?
Could you deal with it and adapt?
And a visit to the quacks (aka Doctors.)GT Zazzerka wrote...
mavqt wrote...
Catch something unsavory, GT?In my defence, everything looks more attractive when you've been drinking. Watching the synthesis ending while you're drunk is like watching the most beautiful thing ever..MegaSovereign wrote...
Dem glow in the dark green eyes looked so attractive right?
Snip
..but then you wake up and feel like you need a shower.
Auintus wrote...
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
So turning people into husks, pretty much, without consent is ok? Not too mention that the giant space squids that can hack anything and can indoctrinate organic minds are still around.
It's transhumanism. Post-synthesis asari don't look like Banshees. Post-synthesis humans don't look like husks. Post-synthesis turians don't look like Marauders. It's not reaperization. And the reapers have no more reason to indoctrinate anyone and instead share the memories of the harvested races.
That's what I see in destroy: genoide against the geth, and then another genocide for every Reaper killed. So I choose synthesis.
Modifié par V-rcingetorix, 30 janvier 2013 - 01:54 .
yes people do adapt to unpleasant things in life(not everyone does)Reorte wrote...
Personally? Maybe. It's the fact that no-one can volunteer is one of the main reason that it's so abhorrent.themikefest wrote...
I know all to well about casualties in war and suicidesOperatingWookie wrote...
There are casualties in war. Suicides are no exception. It's sad, but the majority of the galaxy would deal with it and adapt.
If you feel so strongly about it would you volunteer to have synthesis done to you if the opportunity is there?
Could you deal with it and adapt?
As for adapt and deal with, yes, people would. As many people adapt and deal with all sorts of unpleasant things that happen to them against their will. That's no defence of it whatsoever.
V-rcingetorix wrote...
If it comes down to it, can you fix "people problems" with tech?
Make it big. Make it mysterious. Fine. Just make it plausible.
themikefest wrote...
yes people do adapt to unpleasant things in life(not everyone does)Reorte wrote...
Personally? Maybe. It's the fact that no-one can volunteer is one of the main reason that it's so abhorrent.themikefest wrote...
I know all to well about casualties in war and suicidesOperatingWookie wrote...
There are casualties in war. Suicides are no exception. It's sad, but the majority of the galaxy would deal with it and adapt.
If you feel so strongly about it would you volunteer to have synthesis done to you if the opportunity is there?
Could you deal with it and adapt?
As for adapt and deal with, yes, people would. As many people adapt and deal with all sorts of unpleasant things that happen to them against their will. That's no defence of it whatsoever.
something like synthesis forced on you would be very hard to accept and adapt(if they are able to) since everyone is looking around seeing Mr and Mrs Cannibal across the street having a cook-out with the husks and banshees
Auintus wrote...
So the Geth have no say in their sacrifice, but we should consider that some may not want to improve? I don't follow.
I said it was an improvement. The Catalyst said it was an improvement. EDI also seemed to imply as much. Change has to happen sometime. Since everyone's going up at once, the system remains balanced.
Nope. Talked to a psychologist and everything.
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
Auintus wrote...
So the Geth have no say in their sacrifice, but we should consider that some may not want to improve? I don't follow.
I said it was an improvement. The Catalyst said it was an improvement. EDI also seemed to imply as much. Change has to happen sometime. Since everyone's going up at once, the system remains balanced.
Nope. Talked to a psychologist and everything.
They refuse the Old Machines. EDI would rather die than let the Reapers continue. Also, who the hell said we were ready for Synthesis? Who the hell said the Catalyst's best intentions were good for us?
Sorry, but the Reapers need to go. Synthesis is what they want. Control doesn't get rid of them either. Destroy it is.
OperatingWookie wrote...
V-rcingetorix wrote...
If it comes down to it, can you fix "people problems" with tech?
Make it big. Make it mysterious. Fine. Just make it plausible.
Yes, we've been doing it for thousands of years. And it is plausible, it only seems so ridiculous to you because of how advanced it is. I guarantee you, a person from the middle ages would be utterly confused and disgusted by today's society.
Modifié par PainCakesx, 30 janvier 2013 - 02:17 .
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
OperatingWookie wrote...
V-rcingetorix wrote...
If it comes down to it, can you fix "people problems" with tech?
Make it big. Make it mysterious. Fine. Just make it plausible.
Yes, we've been doing it for thousands of years. And it is plausible, it only seems so ridiculous to you because of how advanced it is. I guarantee you, a person from the middle ages would be utterly confused and disgusted by today's society.
We still hate each other even though it's completely possible to understand the other side. Synthesis isn't going to fix that either, unless it completely removes free will.
PainCakesx wrote...
Racial and religious differences have been one of the largest causes of mass murders / genocides. Many millions of people have been killed because of racial and ethnic intolerence.
Your argument is akin to saying that merging all races and religions together into one gray blob would be a solution to global violence.
That is all kinds of wrong, and quite honestly a disturbing point of view to hold. After a game built on bringing different factions together, united, the synthesis ending is a big kick in the 'nads. Morally repugnant on may levels.
Why embrace diversity and tolerance when we can just genetically rewrite everyone to make them the same!?
OperatingWookie wrote...
PainCakesx wrote...
Racial and religious differences have been one of the largest causes of mass murders / genocides. Many millions of people have been killed because of racial and ethnic intolerence.
Your argument is akin to saying that merging all races and religions together into one gray blob would be a solution to global violence.
That is all kinds of wrong, and quite honestly a disturbing point of view to hold. After a game built on bringing different factions together, united, the synthesis ending is a big kick in the 'nads. Morally repugnant on may levels.
Why embrace diversity and tolerance when we can just genetically rewrite everyone to make them the same!?
Krogan is still krogan and Asari is still Asari.
It's just an upgrade to facilitate easier peaceful overtures post-war.
Why stay weak? Evolve today!
OperatingWookie wrote...
V-rcingetorix wrote...
If it comes down to it, can you fix "people problems" with tech?
Make it big. Make it mysterious. Fine. Just make it plausible.
Yes, we've been doing it for thousands of years. And it is plausible, it only seems so ridiculous to you because of how advanced it is. I guarantee you, a person from the middle ages would be utterly confused and disgusted by today's society.
themikefest wrote...
@OperatingWookie
What about Gerberus? And why would you be surprised I didn't mention them?
PainCakesx wrote...
OperatingWookie wrote...
PainCakesx wrote...
Racial and religious differences have been one of the largest causes of mass murders / genocides. Many millions of people have been killed because of racial and ethnic intolerence.
Your argument is akin to saying that merging all races and religions together into one gray blob would be a solution to global violence.
That is all kinds of wrong, and quite honestly a disturbing point of view to hold. After a game built on bringing different factions together, united, the synthesis ending is a big kick in the 'nads. Morally repugnant on may levels.
Why embrace diversity and tolerance when we can just genetically rewrite everyone to make them the same!?
Krogan is still krogan and Asari is still Asari.
It's just an upgrade to facilitate easier peaceful overtures post-war.
Why stay weak? Evolve today!
Assuming you're not trolling, that is a very naive point of view.
Your view is that by implanting some cybernetic parts into everyone, that there will be world peace? What kind of argument is that?
ME3 if anything showed that synthetic and organic life COULD coexist peacefully - synthesis literally dismantles a main overarching theme of not only the game, but the entire trilogy. Tolerance.
OperatingWookie wrote...
PainCakesx wrote...
OperatingWookie wrote...
PainCakesx wrote...
Racial and religious differences have been one of the largest causes of mass murders / genocides. Many millions of people have been killed because of racial and ethnic intolerence.
Your argument is akin to saying that merging all races and religions together into one gray blob would be a solution to global violence.
That is all kinds of wrong, and quite honestly a disturbing point of view to hold. After a game built on bringing different factions together, united, the synthesis ending is a big kick in the 'nads. Morally repugnant on may levels.
Why embrace diversity and tolerance when we can just genetically rewrite everyone to make them the same!?
Krogan is still krogan and Asari is still Asari.
It's just an upgrade to facilitate easier peaceful overtures post-war.
Why stay weak? Evolve today!
Assuming you're not trolling, that is a very naive point of view.
Your view is that by implanting some cybernetic parts into everyone, that there will be world peace? What kind of argument is that?
ME3 if anything showed that synthetic and organic life COULD coexist peacefully - synthesis literally dismantles a main overarching theme of not only the game, but the entire trilogy. Tolerance.
And you're wrong. THat's only one example where it worked when there has been millions of examples that show that organics and synthetics cannot coexist. An anomaly doesn't prove the entire idea wrong. Therefore, synthesis is valid.
TinuHawke wrote...
The Night Mammoth wrote...
I don't see anything particularly beautiful about mass indoctrination or forcing trans-humanism on everyone.
Synthesis is not the same as mass indoctrination. I genuinely believe that this is the best ending as well.
In the end, destroy will bring back the rivalry between synthetics and living creatures. Having both combined is avoiding constant war between those two and helping in creating perfection of all alien races (humans included).
EDI is the symbol of synthesis and she sets a great example of how an AI can evolve in something new, something alive. All alien races will have the finest form of technology within themselves, so the two groups can grow together as one.
Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 30 janvier 2013 - 04:02 .
OperatingWookie wrote...
The idea is to instill tolerance, not love. Yes, there may still be war and conflict, but not on the scale of the cycles.
PainCakesx wrote...
OperatingWookie wrote...
PainCakesx wrote...
OperatingWookie wrote...
PainCakesx wrote...
Racial and religious differences have been one of the largest causes of mass murders / genocides. Many millions of people have been killed because of racial and ethnic intolerence.
Your argument is akin to saying that merging all races and religions together into one gray blob would be a solution to global violence.
That is all kinds of wrong, and quite honestly a disturbing point of view to hold. After a game built on bringing different factions together, united, the synthesis ending is a big kick in the 'nads. Morally repugnant on may levels.
Why embrace diversity and tolerance when we can just genetically rewrite everyone to make them the same!?
Krogan is still krogan and Asari is still Asari.
It's just an upgrade to facilitate easier peaceful overtures post-war.
Why stay weak? Evolve today!
Assuming you're not trolling, that is a very naive point of view.
Your view is that by implanting some cybernetic parts into everyone, that there will be world peace? What kind of argument is that?
ME3 if anything showed that synthetic and organic life COULD coexist peacefully - synthesis literally dismantles a main overarching theme of not only the game, but the entire trilogy. Tolerance.
And you're wrong. THat's only one example where it worked when there has been millions of examples that show that organics and synthetics cannot coexist. An anomaly doesn't prove the entire idea wrong. Therefore, synthesis is valid.
So do you disagree with diversity? Do you think that homogenity is the answer to all our problems?
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
OperatingWookie wrote...
The idea is to instill tolerance, not love. Yes, there may still be war and conflict, but not on the scale of the cycles.
Considering that the Reapers are the most murderous beings out there, I don't see the fix. Everything is fine and dandy until the Reapers show up.
OperatingWookie wrote...
PainCakesx wrote...
OperatingWookie wrote...
PainCakesx wrote...
OperatingWookie wrote...
PainCakesx wrote...
Racial and religious differences have been one of the largest causes of mass murders / genocides. Many millions of people have been killed because of racial and ethnic intolerence.
Your argument is akin to saying that merging all races and religions together into one gray blob would be a solution to global violence.
That is all kinds of wrong, and quite honestly a disturbing point of view to hold. After a game built on bringing different factions together, united, the synthesis ending is a big kick in the 'nads. Morally repugnant on may levels.
Why embrace diversity and tolerance when we can just genetically rewrite everyone to make them the same!?
Krogan is still krogan and Asari is still Asari.
It's just an upgrade to facilitate easier peaceful overtures post-war.
Why stay weak? Evolve today!
Assuming you're not trolling, that is a very naive point of view.
Your view is that by implanting some cybernetic parts into everyone, that there will be world peace? What kind of argument is that?
ME3 if anything showed that synthetic and organic life COULD coexist peacefully - synthesis literally dismantles a main overarching theme of not only the game, but the entire trilogy. Tolerance.
And you're wrong. THat's only one example where it worked when there has been millions of examples that show that organics and synthetics cannot coexist. An anomaly doesn't prove the entire idea wrong. Therefore, synthesis is valid.
So do you disagree with diversity? Do you think that homogenity is the answer to all our problems?
Synthesis doesn't make everything the same.
Krogan are still Krogan, Asari are still Asari. Consider the Shepard, the template for which all upgrades are based on, the Shepard is still a flesh and blood human, just with a few bits and pieces attached that improve them.
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