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[Murchada]

I tried a search but the function didn't work.

How do I change a face?  I played for a couple hours and decided I didn't like my character's face.  Can I change it without restarting?

I don't want to go through the rest of the game looking at that face!!!

Thanks!

[Gvaz]

You'd have to restart.

[Murchada]

Thanks!

Ah, that's SO retarded. I hate how arbitrary that is. Oh well, glad I didn't get too far.

Modifié par Murchada, 04 novembre 2009 - 01:04 .

[nordrian]

Retarded? How could you explain a face changing in a med fan game????
This is not arbitrary, choose your face design better next time, you can only blame yourself.

EDIT: And I doubt you will find many medieval-fantastic RPGs that allows you to redesign your face. (maybe try getting hit with a warhammer).

Modifié par nordrian, 04 novembre 2009 - 01:09 .

[Warlokki]

It's pretty rare to allow changing the character's appereance after you star without mods or console commands. Depending on genre of course... pretty standard for MMOs but can't remember SP RPGs that allow this other than FO3.

[zzenn]

Divinity 2 allows this, though I never saw much reason to use the feature. Seems a bit odd to do.

[NVranya]

Let me also warn you that you cannot reset skills/talents either....

[Bane]

Seems perfectly reasonable to me considering this is just a game. Do you think any npc gives a **** that your character has a different face all of a sudden? Nope, they don't.

I also decided I don't like my character and now I have to start over to change it. That's being not user friendly for no reason whatsoever.

Modifié par Bane_v2, 04 novembre 2009 - 02:30 .

[Orogun01]

Agreed, sometimes what you think looks good ends up becoming boring or morphed during animations. I see no reason why it should be forced upon the gamer to stay with the same face if they don't like it.

[Orogun01]

Agreed, sometimes what you think looks good ends up becoming boring or morphed during animations. I see no reason why it should be forced upon the gamer to stay with the same face if they don't like it.

[Wardka]

You can use the "user friendly" argument for any situation, though. Is it user friendly that you have to beat the game to watch the final cutscene? Is it user friendly that you have to earn a large sum of gold to buy the weapon you really want to use?



User friendliness isn't everything in game design. Immersion and consistency of story play large parts too, especially in roleplaying games, and both would suffer if you could arbitrarily redefine your main character at any point. Changing hairstyles or acquiring new tattoos I could see, but new face? No, definitely not.

[Beerfish]

Once the toolset becomes available there is a way to edit a saved game and change the head morph of the player character. If you look at the project called 'Beerfish spreadsheet utilites' you will find an msword document that tells you how to do it.

[Bane]

Suffer for you maybe. Those things would not suffer in the slightest for me.

I'll never understand that train of thought, it screams selfish to me. If you don't like the option, don't use it. Those of us that like the idea would like the ability to do so. Options are good.

Edit: good info Beerfish, thanks.

I see the two excel files, but not the word doc you mentioned.

Modifié par Bane_v2, 04 novembre 2009 - 03:06 .

[lionsfan208]

To the people that think it is retarded or not user friendly: REALY? I mean come on there has to be some limitation. So then is it not user friendly that you can't be superman and win the game in 10 min?



One thing I would give you is there should be a way of changing hair or facial hair options. That would be something any person could do in this setting.

[Wardka]

Options are good and choices are good, but the very foundation of game design is that choices have to have consequences for them to be meaningful, and if a choice is not meaningful it is not satisfying. A choice that is not satisfying is not a proper choice at all - it is an illusion of choice.



So, on one hand there are people like you who get frustrated by the inability to change, and on the other hand there are people like me who get unsatisfied by choices that don't have meaning. They can only cater to one group.

[Gidzen]

The pre game character generator was a little silly if you can't re-adjust your attributes without losing everything. Blindly building a face without playing the game and seeing how the skills interact seems foolish to me. Am I doing this wrong? A tireless loop of experimenting restarting the game!! I guess just take the preset faces for a while THEN build the character you really want to play the game as...



Speaking of toolset any clue to when its coming out..it was hyped to be at the time of launch?

[FlintlockJazz]

Bane_v2 wrote...

Suffer for you maybe. Those things would not suffer in the slightest for me.

I'll never understand that train of thought, it screams selfish to me. If you don't like the option, don't use it. Those of us that like the idea would like the ability to do so. Options are good.

Edit: good info Beerfish, thanks.

Perhaps you're being selfish by insisting that the developers pull resources from developing other aspects of the game in order to add something that would not benefit all the target audience?  Perhaps because you don't understand a particular train of thought does not make it any less valid?  As has been mentioned the toolkit will no doubt give players the ability to add in the option later by themselves if they so must have it, so no point in developing something for a small segment of the audience when they can spend the time doing something else, like having lunch.

[Opcode]

Some of you haven't played many hardcore RPGs have you?



You are going to have character builds that you aren't happy with. You are going to have to get used to that. Your choices have consequences.



As to the face change option, this is just an extra bit of coding that is of far less priority in a games schedule than say extra tweaks for spell casting and combat, or fixing a glitch with item duping, etc. Its an extra thing that requires extra time to do that was liekly not deemed worth the effort if it was ever considered at all.

[Bane]

If your face played any meaningful part in the game, such as party members using it as a factor in deciding how much they like you, then absolutely you shouldn't be able to change your face because there is a real, in-game consequence for your choices.



That's not the case however. There aren't any in-game consequences for your facial choices aside from having to start the game over if you decide you don't like them down the road. It's a totally arbitrary limitation and poor game design. In my opinion.

[LegendaryIII]

What??? The Grey Wardens have a cosmetic surgeon amongst them??



Actually, I have a question, no I didn't hit search yet...shame on me...



I designed a couple of faces on the creator creator. I have the Playstation version, how do I use my pre-made characters? Just a nudge in the right direction should suffice. Thanks.

[Aisling the Drow]

People forget the at the RP in RPG stands for Role Playing... its not Rocket Propelled Grenade. lol My point is, that when a person plays an RPg they are acting, as if this was a movie set. That was the intension with immersion. Now while I dont think changing your face is that great of an idea, a hair-dresser would be nice... some people do like to change their looks after a time.

[SamoanX]

Bane_v2 wrote...

If your face played any meaningful part in the game, such as party members using it as a factor in deciding how much they like you, then absolutely you shouldn't be able to change your face because there is a real, in-game consequence for your choices.

That's not the case however. There aren't any in-game consequences for your facial choices aside from having to start the game over if you decide you don't like them down the road. It's a totally arbitrary limitation and poor game design. In my opinion.

Sorry to have to tell you this... but your opinion is wrong and your logic is flawed ^^

[Eidolonn]

This is nitpicking at best.

[Rittmeester]

I surely took 20 minutes to create my face but in game cutscenes showed me that it looks a bit stupid. so i wanna change it. I'll look into Beerfishs spreadsheet, as he said he's got a tutorial on changing face in a savegame. http://social.biowar...56/#bw_projects



I dont think its bad gamedesign but it would hurt nobody to be able to. After all it's only yourself who sees the face in a single player game anyway, and it doesnt make the game easier or anything.

[B33ker]

I think people are too spoiled by how WoW handles characters, where if you're willing to pay, you can change pretty much everything including the sex of your character.