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[Maria Caliban]

And then, of course, there's Morrigan. In my fortyplus hours with the game, I was never quite sure how to feel about her -- and I mean that in the best way possible. She's extremely useful in combat, but she's also the most unrepentantly amoral character in the entire game. Her sarcasm and occasional (and very, very brief) moments of goodness makes her strangely likable, yet I never, for a second, trusted her.

Then the ending came around, and I felt conflicted enough about the final choice regarding Morrigan to write an editorial about her.

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[Xandurpein]

A very nicely written story. Captures the dilemma in dealing with Morrigan very well.

[Herr Uhl]

Read wall of text.

She does say that she loves you *shakes fist at writer* (well, maybe not in exactly those words, but still). And I do not think that they are going for a similar direction as Mass Effect either.

Otherwise, good read.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 09 janvier 2010 - 10:21 .

[InvaderErl]

Only problem I had with the article is you can have sex with Morrigan more than once. Other than that it was interesting.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 09 janvier 2010 - 10:43 .

[jsachun]

She knows Flemeth's ritual. She's going to possess a Demi-GOD or she wants to anyway.

[InvaderErl]

Pure speculation. There's more to it than that, the writers aren't going to just go for the obvious and to be honest boring and lazy route.

She said the child represents Freedom, she has some kind of agenda and I don't think for a minute it has to do with just possessing the kid.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 09 janvier 2010 - 10:45 .

[jsachun]

But she prefers solitude. Can't see her starting a cult or being a devious mage advisor as the end story suggests.

Modifié par jsachun, 09 janvier 2010 - 10:47 .

[InvaderErl]

She's totally about being an apostate and clearly despises the Circle and Chantry. At one point Morrigan equates being an apostate with, and here's that word again, freedom. Whatever her goals are I imagine they involve blowing apart the Chantry/Templars and their sway over magic folk.

Now whether that's a good thing is up to the player's own views I suspect.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 09 janvier 2010 - 10:49 .

[jsachun]

And besides how does she know the ritual works? Has it been done before? All we know is that the father is alive and that she might be pregnant.

[Ubasti]

And still, I would say Morrigan comes out as a different kind of person when the main character is a female, and also I guess, if the player is a female and sees Morrigan as another example of her own gender. Interesting article nonetheless.

[InvaderErl]

She say's she learnt it from Flemeth and that she trusts in her magical knowledge.

That you're alive suggests the ritual did whatever it was supposed to do, otherwise you'd be dead.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 09 janvier 2010 - 10:52 .

[asaiasai]

Nice read and kind of on point, Morrigan leaves in the end if you do not give her what she wants, so after the first play through a smart player never lets themselves rely on the unreliable Morrigan. I thought Morrigan was well written, well acted so much so that i can not stand the tart, in my subsequent plays i never, NEVER used Morrigan again. I did not equip her, i never assigned her accumulated talent points, Morrigan became the useless annoyance that i had to talk to only one more time once past Lotharin, when i sent the tart packing the night before the final battle.

Allister also joins the category of usless for nothing more than forcing me to choose (Loghain dies or becomes a Grey Warden) so i pack him off the marry Anora which considering i like Anora is unfair to her. But, Eamon needs to get his vig, i need to remove the incessant whiner from my presence and Anora wants to be Queen. Sorry sweetheart but you wanna be queen the whiner comes with the throne, so everybody is happy, for the most part.

For me it is a matter of who can i rely on when the going gets tough, those characters are the ones i groom, equip, spend considerable time on speccing, cultivate a relationship with, the rest are just flotsam and treated as such. If the developers base any sequal or exapnsion on anything to do with Morrigan other than i get to run her through at first opportunity i will pass on it. There is no way to make Allister or Morrigan redeemable in my opinion for thier actions.

Asai

Modifié par asaiasai, 09 janvier 2010 - 10:56 .

[InvaderErl]

I primarily pick up Bioware games for stories and I love stories ripe with conflict, so if I can make the story more difficult and dynamic for myself I do that. I guess in that respect I've always had a thing for the shadier characters.

[jsachun]

InvaderErl wrote...

She's totally about being an apostate and clearly despises the Circle and Chantry. At one point Morrigan equates being an apostate with, and here's that word again, freedom. Whatever her goals are I imagine they involve blowing apart the Chantry/Templars and their sway over magic folk.

Now whether that's a good thing is up to the player's own views I suspect.

Ah, but you forget quote "they allow themselve to be ........." And the faith of all those mages should be the invokement of annulment during the circle of mages.

And she does not believe Witches of the Wild belong to the group of Apostates.

'Maker gave us magic to serve mankind and not to rule over him" and therefore the cause of failure to Magister's Tevinter Empire. 

[InvaderErl]

jsachun wrote...

"Ah, but you forget quote "they allow themselve to be ........." And the faith of all those mages should be the invokement of annulment during the circle of mages".


Yes, because they allow themselves to be run by the Chantry/Templars. She holds the Circle in contempt because it in her view willfully engages in a submissive role.

jsachun wrote...
"And she does not believe Witches of the Wild belong to the group of Apostates."


I believe in that quote I used she's using apostate in the context of mages outside the circle, rather than how the Chantry uses it.

jsachun wrote...
"'Maker gave us magic to serve mankind and not to rule over him" and therefore the cause of failure to Magister's Tevinter Empire. "


I'm not really taking up the position that mages should be allowed to run free, just moreso that would likely be Morrigan's position and I'm not even arguing the merits of the opinion.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 09 janvier 2010 - 11:09 .

[jsachun]

Perhap she'll bear an abomination and run to the warden for help????

[jsachun]

Perhaps she'll bear an abomination & run to the warden for help???
"& the corruption of mankind blackened the holy city transforming all those entered in to darkspawns".

Modifié par jsachun, 09 janvier 2010 - 11:13 .

[InvaderErl]

Well, I dunno if the Old God soul can even be possessed by an abomination.

[jsachun]

But thats what(old god corrupted by the tevinter mages) the archdemon is. Collective spirit of the Blight.

[Herr Uhl]

InvaderErl wrote...

Well, I dunno if the Old God soul can even be possessed by an abomination.

Considering that they can chill in the fade and aren't native to it, yes. Are there any demons strong enough though?

[InvaderErl]

I guess if the soul is weak after transferring that's a possibility.



I don't think they'll go that route (of course I could prove to be totally incorrect).



The Flemeth Abomination I suppose could do it when its regained its strength (or when it pops back up if she wasn't killed), though at that point perhaps Morrigan will have taken preventative measures.



But now I'm just totally making wild guesses.

[jsachun]

Yeah, we don't even know if Flemeth is truly dead. And Morrigan does act like Flemeth sometimes. Perhaps it's flemeth we're talking to & not Morrigan at the end of the game.

[Maria Caliban]

Ubasti wrote...

And still, I would say Morrigan comes out as a different kind of person when the main character is a female, and also I guess, if the player is a female and sees Morrigan as another example of her own gender.

What do you mean?

[jsachun]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Ubasti wrote...

And still, I would say Morrigan comes out as a different kind of person when the main character is a female, and also I guess, if the player is a female and sees Morrigan as another example of her own gender.

What do you mean?

She flirts with Sten.

[Elanareon]

She will use the child to bring down the chantry... Hehe see Maker casts down old gods, old gods destroy maker religion. Its fitting!