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[ArcaptSSX]

zorinho20 wrote...

AtR Sheepdog wrote...

I see a lot of people knocking the Paladin. After using a Javelin IX and hitting over 200k in 4 player gold lobbies (on Xbox) for a couple weeks, I played ONE game with a Paladin IX and got my highest score yet, 228k. I'm sorry, but if you knock the Paladin I simply must say you're not using it right.

Your score is more connected to skill (or lack of it) of your teammates,than weapon.
Edit.

I liked the Paladin before,but today I have better options.
If I wanna play Asari sniper,I´ll use Indra or Wraith.For a side weapon on my weapon classes,I like Scorpion or Talon.

My biggest problem with Paladin is too small clip.So I have to choose between extended clip or scope and heavy barrel.

Probably an issue of controller+auto-aim vs mouse. Being on PC myself, i can see only one "main" gun competing with the Paladin for casters in its weight category, that would be the Arc Pistol. The Arc Pistol packs more punch, basically ignores shieldgate, but is a less reactive weapon. The Paladin can't outdo a Talon in CQC, or a Arc Pistol at long range, but will still perform very well in both circumstances..
There's no way i could do what i do a Paladin in hand with an Indra. The Indra is an accurate gun, but in full auto even while handling the recoil you'll land quite a few bullets off your aim.
An Indra means you'll have to resort to something else in CQC, takes some time before it reaches the efficiency of even a single Paladin/ArcP shot, its headshots don't stagger mooks, plus the tunnel vision which is not optional.

I always play the Paladin with HVB+mag. when they correct the weight penalty, i'll go back to EB; ArcPistol either with HVB+Scope or EB+ULM (perfect low weight long range weapon for a CQC specialist). Indra with HVB+either ammo or AP mod (depends on whether i have a cryo debuff or warp ammo, drill ammo etc...).

[Sojiro888]

Yaevinn wrote...

Collectors' SMG.

Zjarcal: You do realize, it's on Turian Soldier? TSol makes every weapon shine.

Don't you see the Tech Armor? That's a Turian Sentinel, which isn't exactly the most amazing weapon platform ever (especially when he doesn't debuff with Warp).
Those vids are made with a Turian Sentinel in cover to get ton of stability and DR, so that you can have the pure sustained DPS of the weapons : no missed shots or necessity to stop firing to go back to cover.


So for example the shotguns tests have the Pirahna with the best dps by very far, but he had to stand right next to the Ravager to do it, otherwise most of the pellets would have missed. These tests do not take burst damage or accuracy into account.


One thing they do show is that the Saber has very nearly the same DPS as the Harrier on armor. And since it can headshot mooks to death just fine and can be very accurate used properly and has a large magasine (considering it uses single shots) and lots of spare ammo, it is a very good gun. So I laugh at those who say that the Saber is the worst UR. 95% of the dps of the best ARs without the drawbacks is just not possible to seriously classify as "bad".
Saber as the most disliked? Yeah, of course. The recoil means you either have to get some stability or learn to match your rythme to the distance of the target to keep your accuracy up. That's something that can be very offputting, and despite looking a lot like a Mattock you can't really use it the same way if you want to use it as its best. So I can totally understand how some players hate it.

Similarly, depsite the Javlin being absolutely amazing and possibly the best weapon in the game, it has various quirks (notably the firing delay) which could make it nigh-unusable for some players. So I can see how some players would hate it more than any other.

[Kalas Magnus]

RB26D3TT wrote...

Definitely Saber.
P.S. Valkyrie/Eagle/Hurricane/Crusader/Valiant ARE NOT ultra rare weapons. They are promotional. Don't get the fact that they are black confuse you.

they are on the wii=]

[Sojiro888]

As for me, I'll have to go with Paladin.

I don't have any experience with the Indra, and the rest are all significantly more powerful (Wraith, harrier, PPR ...) or have a gimmick that give them a niche meaning there's a reason to use them even if their stats are worse (Scorpion's AoE stun, CSMG's infinite ammo, etc ...). The Paladin has about the same DPS as the arc pistol but more weight and less ammo as well as being rarer (and thus normally lower level), and if you are not milking the most out of its accuracy the Talon is just flat out better. And even if you want the accuracy, it has to contend with things like the Saber and Valiant. And then if your Carnifex is higher level due to only being rare, it can be clearly better too.
So while the Paladin is not a bad gun (I love its stopping power) there is rarely a reason to take it over the other awesome choices available.


PS: I don't get those who nominated the Black Widow. For the good snipers its pinpoint accuracy let them land headshots all day, and for the rest its magazine size makes it very forgiving without completely sarcificing the burst damage. And then it has the best dps of all sniper rifle by a fairly wide margin : http://www.youtube.c...?v=0GOpdkHha_E.

Modifié par Sojiro888, 31 janvier 2013 - 11:53 .

[Tinned Bread]

Harrier.

[dysomnium]

zorinho20 wrote...

AtR Sheepdog wrote...

I see a lot of people knocking the Paladin. After using a Javelin IX and hitting over 200k in 4 player gold lobbies (on Xbox) for a couple weeks, I played ONE game with a Paladin IX and got my highest score yet, 228k. I'm sorry, but if you knock the Paladin I simply must say you're not using it right.

Your score is more connected to skill (or lack of it) of your teammates,than weapon.
Edit.

On the contrary - it was with the same teammates. I tend to not play with randoms very often. This particular game only had one random teammate, and the other two teammates are well established. I was just set up perfectly for the game. Geth on Reactor, and I was using a Salarian Infiltrator with Energy Drain and Tactical Cloak. I didn't necessarily use the Paladin as my killing tool - it packed quite a punch, regardless, but I was actually focusing on setting off Fire Explosions by combining Indendiary Rounds IV and Energy Drain. Also, Targeting VI V helped tremendously, especially since the only Geth that doesn't take excessive headshot damage is the Geth Bomber.

I would like to preemptively defend the quality of the weapon concerning my aforementioned statement that I was set up perfectly for that game. Very few weapons are genuinely universal. Each shines best under certain circumstances, with certain characters and with certain powers or vs. certain enemies. The Paladin is, for the most part, a universally effective weapon, but as is the case with most weapons, particularly UR weapons, with the proper equipment and character, it's devastating.

Edit: I would like to state the Weapon Mods I was using, and perhaps with a recommendation for anyone who finds the Paladin to be lacking: Armor Piercing Mod and High Velocity Barrel. Honestly, the reserve ammo for the Paladin is too finite, and if you think about it, Pistol Magazine Upgrade V makes you go through that ammo 66% faster. The High Velocity Barrel is a given, as it basically converts the Paladin into a pocket-size sniper rifle (concerning damage, and especially if your aim is precise enough). Using the Armor Piercing Mod makes the Paladin more situationally universal. It is best with, "caster" classes, as I saw someone else say, or as a side arm, as, admittedly, three rounds per magazine is not substantial enough to really make a huge dent on its own.

Modifié par AtR Sheepdog, 01 février 2013 - 12:33 .

[Lykurgos88]

Collector smg. Literally the worst weapon in the game, commons included.

[Olivia Wilde]

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

tivesz wrote...

 To people who are convinced that the CSMG sucks.

CSMG X. Does not disprove the point that it's not good at lower levels.

I'd argue that Phaeston X is better than Harrier III

IOW..all weapons suck at lower levels

[Swan Killer]

IIFlash wrote...

tivesz wrote...

IIFlash wrote...

joker_jack wrote...

tivesz wrote...

I am Sovereign wrote...

tivesz wrote...

Saber.
Indra is a runner-up.

What are you smoking? I want some.

If you're on PC, it might be not that bad, because of the EZ headshots, but on console, it just doesn't do that well, especially on a non-weapon oriented class. And I'd like some of that drugs that you're on, when you mentioned the Javelin.

I'm on xbox and vouge that these are 2 of the best guns in the game. You might want to learn to l2p yourself. before a failed troll attempt.

While this thread will come down to personal opinion, it's excuses and comments like this that make all console players look bad.

Now I'm the ambassador of the bad console players, because I dared to say that it's not that easy to headshot with the Saber on console and it shines better on PC? GTFO! 

No, you said it was bad because you can't get headshots with it. I'm not disputing your reason to dislike a weapon or questioning your ability to play, I am disputing your excuse that you can't get headshots because you are on console not PC. This just means you stink with it and you should say that, there's no shame in that, not every weapon is for everyone. For example I stink with the Drellguard but I don't go around saying it's a bad class because of that.

But if this was concerning a sniper rifle with it's ridiculous auto-aim I would be agreeing with you though.

Do you have the ability to read and comprehend? I said it's EASY to headshot with it on PC,  that's why it might be a good gun, because you can pop almost every head with it. It's not so easy on console, even though, YES, I CAN headshot, but IT IS MORE DIFFICULT with the controller, therefore it's not as good as it is on PC. And IMO it's just not good at all, not just because of the headshots. And I do well with it, I just don't enjoy using it, so I don't like it. Why do people try to pick apart everything I post here? Would you like everybody to pick out one weapon, and let the other twohundred posters follow and nod, "Yeah dude, that's the worst!". Or can we have our own opinions without getting insults that "I stink with it"? ****ng sick of people like you, man.  

Modifié par tivesz, 01 février 2013 - 02:14 .

[R0binME]

Dont know if I have posted here yet. I vote for Crusader.

[gcmax]

 I mostly play platinum so please consider this with the following;

1. WORST UR - FIRST PLACE Collector SMG - too heavy, not enough damage.

2. WORST UR - SECOND PLACE Scorpion Pistol - weak as hell, only good for staggering those sexy gymnasts we call Phantoms.

Modifié par gcmax, 01 février 2013 - 02:13 .

[megabeast37215]

The Valkyrie

[gcmax]

R0binME wrote...

Dont know if I have posted here yet. I vote for Crusader.

That's a promotional weapon, not an UltraRare™

[Swan Killer]

gcmax wrote...

 I mostly play platinum so please consider this with the following;

1. WORST UR - FIRST PLACE Collector SMG - too heavy, not enough damage.

2. WORST UR - SECOND PLACE Scorpion Pistol - weak as hell, only good for staggering those sexy gymnasts we call Phantoms.

CSMG too heavy? I've read a lot of bad stuff about the CSMG, but sayin it is "too heavy", even if (in your opinion) the damage output is not that great, is just ridicilous.

CSGM X+Acolyte X on a caster character (no ULM was used in the CSMG).



Even if you don't have it at X, I'm sure it's not THAT heavy...

[jimcamx]

tivesz wrote...

Even if you don't have it at X, I'm sure it's not THAT heavy...

It's equal to the Hurricane, I have them both at I. The CSMG pales in comparison, however I like to use it as back up for Harrier when I run out of ammo.

[CitizenThom]

Deitar wrote...

Indra, how am I supposed to keep headshotting moving stuff with that ROF and scope?

If Indra bullets didn't have that con trail happening... it'd probably be easier. With the Raptor for example, I can go full rate of fire and land headshots... on the Indra I land the first couple headshots and then can't see what I'm shooting at.

Modifié par CitizenThom, 02 février 2013 - 05:14 .

[lagruej]

What are you talking about worst UR gun, they're practically ALL garbage compared to standard Rares and even uncommons... there are a few good ones, but for the most part if you ask me the URs are all trash.

[palmof40sorrows]

ISHYGDDT wrote...

CSMG, and yes, you are going to get hate for that, you poor fool.

CSMG? Not even close to the worst UR. Maybe it's your least favorite, but worst? No way.

[ISHYGDDT]

lagruej wrote...

What are you talking about worst UR gun, they're practically ALL garbage compared to standard Rares and even uncommons... there are a few good ones, but for the most part if you ask me the URs are all trash.

I hope you're trolling

palmof40sorrows wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

CSMG, and yes, you are going to get hate for that, you poor fool.

CSMG? Not even close to the worst UR. Maybe it's your least favorite, but worst? No way. 

To be fair, the last time I used it was at VI, and yes I know it gets more better than other URs as it goes up, would try it out  again but I'm not playing ME3 right now.  The problem is that if it's crap at VI, it's crap for the vast majority of the playerbase as well.  Are we saying that we are comparing URs only at level X? 

If I take your word for it that it's good at X (which I have it at now) then I'd say the Paladin is the weakest remaining UR.

Modifié par ISHYGDDT, 02 février 2013 - 05:28 .

[lagruej]

ISHYGDDT wrote...

lagruej wrote...

What are you talking about worst UR gun, they're practically ALL garbage compared to standard Rares and even uncommons... there are a few good ones, but for the most part if you ask me the URs are all trash.

I hope you're trolling

Nope, I'm dead serious... maybe it's just the experience I've had with them, or the fact that I don't have a single UR above V but seriously these guns have been crap thusfar... why would I want to go in packing a Saber when I can do 3 times as much damage in half the time with a Mattock... hell the Cerberus Harrier still isn't as good as the Mattock is in the right hands... The only UR I'm huge on is the Black Widow because well, it's the best Sniper next to the Raptor as far as I'm concerned.   I suppose I have some love for the Paladin and Scorpion as well... but everything else is just utter crap.  I've unlocked every UR and I still prefer the uncommon weapons over everything... hell the Tempest, the COMMON SMG is 10x better than the CSMG which is an UR, if you ask me... But then again what define "better."  Certain people are just more adept with certain weapons.

[Zjarcal]

lagruej wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

lagruej wrote...

What are you talking about worst UR gun, they're practically ALL garbage compared to standard Rares and even uncommons... there are a few good ones, but for the most part if you ask me the URs are all trash.

I hope you're trolling

Nope, I'm dead serious... maybe it's just the experience I've had with them, or the fact that I don't have a single UR above V but seriously these guns have been crap thusfar... why would I want to go in packing a Saber when I can do 3 times as much damage in half the time with a Mattock... hell the Cerberus Harrier still isn't as good as the Mattock is in the right hands... The only UR I'm huge on is the Black Widow because well, it's the best Sniper next to the Raptor as far as I'm concerned.   I suppose I have some love for the Paladin and Scorpion as well... but everything else is just utter crap.  I've unlocked every UR and I still prefer the uncommon weapons over everything... hell the Tempest, the COMMON SMG is 10x better than the CSMG which is an UR, if you ask me... But then again what define "better."  Certain people are just more adept with certain weapons.

Seriously... just, stahp.

[lagruej]

Zjarcal wrote...

lagruej wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

lagruej wrote...

What are you talking about worst UR gun, they're practically ALL garbage compared to standard Rares and even uncommons... there are a few good ones, but for the most part if you ask me the URs are all trash.

I hope you're trolling

Nope, I'm dead serious... maybe it's just the experience I've had with them, or the fact that I don't have a single UR above V but seriously these guns have been crap thusfar... why would I want to go in packing a Saber when I can do 3 times as much damage in half the time with a Mattock... hell the Cerberus Harrier still isn't as good as the Mattock is in the right hands... The only UR I'm huge on is the Black Widow because well, it's the best Sniper next to the Raptor as far as I'm concerned.   I suppose I have some love for the Paladin and Scorpion as well... but everything else is just utter crap.  I've unlocked every UR and I still prefer the uncommon weapons over everything... hell the Tempest, the COMMON SMG is 10x better than the CSMG which is an UR, if you ask me... But then again what define "better."  Certain people are just more adept with certain weapons.

Seriously... just, stahp.

Do you have any reasoning to this, maybe you know explaining why you disagree would be a good start?  I explained my opinion qquite thoroughly, posting ****ty memes is just pointless and didn't get anything across to me.  

[darkpassenger2342]

that meme is completely appropriate.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 02 février 2013 - 05:53 .

[UKStory135]

The CSMG arguments on here crack me up. Everyone either thinks it is awesome or terrible. Personally, I think it is awesome at level X.

[lagruej]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

that meme is completely appropriate.

Again how about an explenation instead of "herp da derp meme"... resorting to memes just show you have nothing ontopic or of valu to say in response.  I've achieved alot in this game, I've platinumed all 3 M.E. games, I'm a veteran to the series and I think I've earned the right to have an opinion about what weapons I prefer and which ones I think are terribad.  Now if anybody wants to explain to me why they disagree with me, I'll happily have a conversation about it, but if you're just going to post memes it makes it seem as though you lack anything better to respond with.