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[GHOST OF FRUITY]

Collector SMG is wretched at low levels, so from my experience it's the worst UR weapon. However people say it's superb at high levels.

[lagruej]

Os1r1s210 wrote...

If we're talking semi-auto 100% accuracy the sabre outperorms the mattock by a long shot. the mattock has it's uses but it's out performed by the valkyrie as an "all around" assult rifle.

And I would completely agree with you on the accuracy aspect,  my only argument for Mattock accuracy was against the Harrier... stats or not the Mattock can be more accurate than the Harrier in the right hands, I also tend to always fght close enough up, I'm not speaking in terms of half way across the map combat.  Unfortunately in terms of the Saber I see the higher fire rate and additional ammo and light weight of the Mattock overrule the fact that the Saber is a powerful and accurate gun.. but I guess it's just opinion and I will never win in this thread.  On that note of the Valkyrie I've yet to be able to try it because I only have it at I or II...crusaders and eagles, it's all I ever get.

[darkpassenger2342]

dont forget to provide the difficulty you play on.

you are definitely the biggest mattock fan ive ever seen on these forums, you will defend it to the death, I see.

[GHOST OF FRUITY]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

GHOST OF FRUITY wrote...

Collector SMG is wretched at low levels, so from my experience it's the worst UR weapon. However people say it's superb at high levels.

 

It is most definitely not superb at high levels. It's only slightly better than a Locust/Tempest. It's usable, and "decent". But doesn't deserve UR status and is far from superb.

Well that makes more sense to me.  I had wondered how a gun so bad at level 4 could possibly be so much better at level 8 or 9. 

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

This thread doesn't disappoint.

[ShinTheZero]

From what I have; I would say the Scorpion.
I just can't handle a minefield, you know?

Modifié par ShinTheZero, 02 février 2013 - 12:18 .

[lagruej]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

ScumbagVince wrote...

Sirian, you should probably show Lagruej your PPR video.

And teach him RHA and how to use soft cover.

 

 I doubt it will make much difference, but for what it's worth...

here Lagruej, watch this if you want to see the PPR used well. I am by no means the champion of PPR usage, but I'm pretty good at it.

Don't count me out... I'm not a close minded bastard as you guys seem to think of me, I'm just strong rooted in my opinion, I've tried to explain myself the best I could here... but I will watch your video and I'll edit this comment when it's done.  I have enough respect to try and see what you're saying, hear me out a little too.

Hunter Mode and Tactical Cloak + Headshots.  See that changes everything.  If you're gonna buff the gun to be 4x more powerful with the use of powers then it's probable the gun isn't that good on it's own or in it's base form.   But I do respect that you found yourself a way to make it a good gun... Now if I was part of the master pc race or on crack I might be able to do those acrobatic movements you do that allow you to turn 180s in a fraction of second and instantly know where everybody's heads are, despite you know, physics... that might be a key advantage too, Unfortunately on console even with the loosest analog controls you'd never be able to replicate what I just watched.

It also doesn't help that I build and spec my characters for power usage and less weight vs weapon damage, I use the weapons as they are, which is probably why I'm the only one with these opinions... I don't build my characters around weapons, it's the other way around I build my character and give them a weapont that suits them.  Watching you take down 10 people in seconds in tctical cloak and hunter mode is impressive, very impressive but it doesn't make me feel to great still...  Who knows, I'll try it myself... but like I said, never in a million years would a console player be able to replicate that video, 100% impossible due to angalog sensitivyt restrictions.

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lagruej wrote...

never in a million years would a console player be able to replicate that video, 100% impossible due to angalog sensitivyt restrictions. chinese joysticks and lazy look mechanic design

[Greyfrogx]

@Sirian

it was a thread about AR's having advantages that make them good choices for new players so they probaby shouldn't be buffed.

You and cyonan came in, disagreed and I couldn't bring myself to keep arguing a point that I wasn't that committed to in the first place

[SupidSeep]

I couldn't get the Collector SMG to work until I put it on my TSol and spam Concussion Shot forever which largely stops me from emptying the ammo. Basically it requires strict trigger discipline.

My focus on power classes basically means my Typhoon and PPR gets the least use. It is easy for me to forget about my Paladin when my Talon hits X grade.

[lagruej]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

dont forget to provide the difficulty you play on.

you are definitely the biggest mattock fan ive ever seen on these forums, you will defend it to the death, I see.

Gold mostly, just alot of Gold, will sometimes play the odd silver to farm weekend challenge... PSN is disappointing in terms of Platinum players so I just don't bother.
 
But if you ever see me, I'm almost always packing a Mattock unless I'm working on a gun challenge.  And well the thing is, I will defend it to the death, thusfar nobody has given me a reason not to  Just reasons why the other guns mentioned aren't crap.  Well maybe somebody has given me a reason, I'll find out when I get my Valkyrie to a higher level, but until then, I see no advantages to leaving 'er behind.

[ScumbagVince]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

ScumbagVince wrote...

Sirian, you should probably show Lagruej your PPR video.

And teach him RHA and how to use soft cover.

 

 I doubt it will make much difference, but for what it's worth...

here Lagruej, watch this if you want to see the PPR used well. I am by no means the champion of PPR usage, but I'm pretty good at it.

I still can't believe how well you play with that lag :happy:. You anticipating the rollout of the NBN?

[lagruej]

chipsandwich wrote...

lagruej wrote...

never in a million years would a console player be able to replicate that video, 100% impossible due to angalog sensitivyt restrictions. chinese joysticks and lazy look mechanic design

You can call it that I guess, but I think it's alot more realistic than being able to do full 180s in a fraction of a second... you know it takes about as long for me to turn around on console as it would take me to turn around in real life. I do think physics should remain the same between consoles and pc

[d_nought]

lagruej wrote...

chipsandwich wrote...

lagruej wrote...

never in a million years would a console player be able to replicate that video, 100% impossible due to angalog sensitivyt restrictions. chinese joysticks and lazy look mechanic design

You can call it that I guess, but I think it's alot more realistic than being able to do full 180s in a fraction of a second... you know it takes about as long for me to turn around on console as it would take me to turn around in real life. I do think physics should remain the same between consoles and pc

I'm not saying anything about you, I'm just taking a jab at the horrible console look mechanic in this game and the depressing lack of opitions (3 sensitivities, all too slow, no option to turn off snap aim etc.)

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

lagruej wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

dont forget to provide the difficulty you play on.

you are definitely the biggest mattock fan ive ever seen on these forums, you will defend it to the death, I see.

Gold mostly, just alot of Gold, will sometimes play the odd silver to farm weekend challenge... PSN is disappointing in terms of Platinum players so I just don't bother.
 
But if you ever see me, I'm almost always packing a Mattock unless I'm working on a gun challenge.  And well the thing is, I will defend it to the death, thusfar nobody has given me a reason not to  Just reasons why the other guns mentioned aren't crap.  Well maybe somebody has given me a reason, I'll find out when I get my Valkyrie to a higher level, but until then, I see no advantages to leaving 'er behind.

The Mattock certainly is good, but I'll tell you why people are arguing with you. The Harrier's DPS dwarfs the Mattock's. Same thing with the PPR and Typhoon too. Oh, and you don't have to spam your finger to reach the maximum damage output on the Mattock.

[lagruej]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Even on casters the UR's are better than uncommons. The Mattock is the best uncommon, but to say it's better than the Harrier is insane. The Harrier has very little spread and almost no recoil when used out of cover.

It cannot simply be attributed to being on console, since the vast majority of console players will agree with me. It is also a matter of FACT, not opinion, that the Harrier is better than the Mattock. (Same can be said of most UR's). You're entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.

I understand that console players will not be able to perform twitch shots like in the video, or turn on a dime like I do. But that fact also applies to the mattock. It also does not matter that you are using this on casters. There are better options for casters than the Mattock. The Harrier might be too heavy for some casters. That's ok, the Talon, Hurricane, CSR and even the CSMG are all better choices than the Mattock if weight is an issue.

Best Uncommon?  That's rough man, I've expressed it once earlier on... but I'm fond of the Raptor, possibly even more so than the Mattock... but that's another thread for another time. 

I would sooner take a Mattock with my caster than some of the above though, but I agree with you on some as well.  Firstly the CSMG I only have at level I so I can't even accurately say anything about it... but as for that collecter sniper, maybe I'm just not good with it, but I have it at V and I hardly touched a thing the few games I played with it, perhaps with time that will change and I'll see what you're saying.   Talon, I like, you're right there,  I would probably take both the Talon or the Hurricaine over the Mattock for a caster but what weapon I use is always dependant on what weight bonus that class gives me though.  Don't think I'm just a mattock addict, if I have a character speced for other weight bonuses I always take advantage of it .   

I still think the whole Mattock vs Harrier thing is more opinion than fact as you say... the more you spray the Harrier the less accurate it gets, The Mattock doesn't really have that disadvantage, well it does, but if you're using it right your accuracy will stay pretty much consistent.  But I'll throw in the towel on this one, I know when I've been beat... I still love my lovely Mattock though... 

[Greyfrogx]

@Lagruej

a lot of this chap is also that you described most UR's as garbage and that's pretty unfair and unpleasant and when ALL of them have the capacity to be very very good at the least it's gonna rile some people up.

[Greyfrogx]

@Lagruej also if you're speccing into weight drop for weapons on rank six of passive, then be prepared for another deluge

[lagruej]

Greyfrogx wrote...

@Lagruej

a lot of this chap is also that you described most UR's as garbage and that's pretty unfair and unpleasant and when ALL of them have the capacity to be very very good at the least it's gonna rile some people up.

Yes I know, my negativity spawned more negativity... I did try to rectify my original comment at some point by saying that they aren't crappy guns, I just didn't find some of the UR worthy, the only example I gave for that was the Typhoon, because in my opinion the disadvantages severly outweigh it's advantages, not that it's a bad gun or anything... just not UR worthy imo.

[lagruej]

Greyfrogx wrote...

@Lagruej also if you're speccing into weight drop for weapons on rank six of passive, then be prepared for another deluge

Why is this frowned upon?  I though speccing the weight out was a smart idea.