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[Swan Killer]

billy the squid wrote...

tivesz wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

tivesz wrote...

I am Sovereign wrote...

tivesz wrote...

Saber.
Indra is a runner-up.

What are you smoking? I want some.

If you're on PC, it might be not that bad, because of the EZ headshots, but on console, it just doesn't do that well, especially on a non-weapon oriented class. And I'd like some of that drugs that you're on, when you mentioned the Javelin.

Yeah you see there's your problem. Expect a Saber to do as well on a Adept/ Vanguard or engineer as a Soldier or Infiltrator.

Lol, someone need to learn to headshot. And yes I am on a console as well. Saber/ Indra on a Turian sol. with mrksman gives you +55% headshot damage + and increased rate of fire with almost no recoil. On a ghost you don't even have to try, HS Adrenaline rush 70% extra damage. Devestator, MQS..... actually I'm wondering how you haven't got either of these weapons to work on any weapons class, you don't even have to aim for the head for them to be effective. 

Wow, how non-sense is that, that I expect a weapon to be good on an engineer or on an adept! 
Saber is not one of them, and most of the UR weapons are. 

I said as good. That's the difference. If you expect the Saber, Harrier, PPR or any UR to hit as hard as when equiped on a weapons class with the massive buffs to DPS and recoil, RoF, even debuff with some. The yeah you're deluding yourself.

Eg. Why would you ever equip a Saber on a Drelldept? Or Fury? It's pointless and doesn't play to the class and kit's strengths. If you expect a heavy, semi auto weapon to perform to the same standard as it does on a Turian sol. then I can't take you seriously.

I never said I expect them to perform those weapons the same on FQE than on a TSol. But while I can destroy the map with a CSMG or a PPR/Harrier/Talon/Wraith on a.. let's say Geth Engineer or a Human Infiltrator, the Saber is pretty lackluster.

[PingPangDaPanda]

I strongly dislike my Crusader. You said any UR, no limits.

[Homey C-Dawg]

tivesz wrote...

CSMG is one of the best actually, as soon as you have it at level X, you'll see what I'm talking about.

@I am Sovereign: You just played the TGI card, sorry I can't take you seriously.

Shhhhhh!! Let people think it's bad. Maybe it'll get another buff.

[ISHYGDDT]

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

CSMG and Scorpion. I know a lot of people will jump on me for that, but I just don't like the Scorpion at all.

de gustabus non est disputandum.

The whole topic is pretty much a matter of opinion. Nothing is concrete. Some people are saying ther Saber while it is one of my absolute favorite guns. I don't like the Scorpion. Shooting at an enemy's feet isn't fun to me. And if they don't walk right over sticky grenade, it takes forever to detonate.

I just don't like it.

That was my point, either we discuss stats, or there's not really much of a reason for this thread because everyone has their own preferences which can't really be disputed.

[najzere]

I like them all, but my vote goes to the Paladin.

[Creator Limbs]

I am Sovereign wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

The Black Widow. It's horrific.

Explain.

I generally snipe as an infiltrator. Usually a quarian. When I use my Widow, I can one shot Hunters, Pyros, and Rocket Troopers. When using the Black Widow, it takes two shots. Sure, there are three rounds in the clip but having to shoot twice to do the same amount of damage cancels that out. Not to mention that the Black Widow cannot pierce through soft cover and armor quite as effectively.

Give me the Javelin anyday.

Modifié par prostheticlimbs, 30 janvier 2013 - 12:31 .

[Zjarcal]

ISHYGDDT wrote...

That was my point, either we discuss stats, or there's not really much of a reason for this thread because everyone has their own preferences which can't really be disputed.

QFT

I am Sovereign wrote...

Your point? Is there one? (insert random smiley)

This thread's point, is there one? 

See the above quote... if you only want to discuss opinions, then there's no point in even acknowledging other people. If you want to argue facts, then back them up.

If this is purely an opinion thread, there's really no point to it.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 30 janvier 2013 - 12:37 .

[I am Sovereign]

cowwy wrote...

I would say CSMG but at least that has a niche. The Saber is a terrible gun and it should feel bad about itself. Even the Valkyrie is more effective for destroying mooks with headshots and it has a better DPS for bosses.

>implying that the Valkryie has better DPS than the Saber.

[iOnlySignIn]

Zjarcal wrote...

I think they are all good weapons, but if I am to rank one last, that'd be the Indra.

If the Indra is an SMG or an AR, it would suck.

But it's an SR, so you can stack Heavy Barrel + Piercing and it will enjoy zero Armor Damage Resistance along with +25% Damage boost. Right?

You can't get even one AP mod with the CSMG or the Typhoon without loosing either +25% Damage or +80% Magazine, which severely gimps these weapons.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 30 janvier 2013 - 12:33 .

[neocodex]

Actually saber worked better for me on havok than on tsol. Spamming is not the key on this rifle. good aim is, and tsol doesn't have the luxury of takijg time to make shots count withbhis immobility. Havok is a dancer on a battlefield compared to him, and somehow saber just worked for me. But this is not for everyone, takes a certain playstyle to make it work.

[Zyzimorph]

Anyone who says Collector SMG is out of their mind

My vote goes for the paladin, clip size is too small...

Modifié par Zyzimorph, 30 janvier 2013 - 12:33 .

[iyFale]

Collector SMG... should have more firing capacity and more damage...
I don't really care about Indra but if I remember it right Indra has more damage than Collector SMG.
If Indra has slower fire rate and higher damage than harrier I'm sure I'll use it again. Remember the penalty without scope of all sniper...

[ValorOfArms777]

I don't like the paladin much...

most peoples reasons are kinda weird for UR judgment... most URs are pretty good anyways ...

Paladin is my choice cause it's not as grandios as much as many think...

It's out shined by the Arc Pistol which is IMHO the top Pistol of the game

Modifié par ValorOfArms777, 30 janvier 2013 - 12:35 .

[Matthias King]

Do the N7 weapons count? Because if they do, the Valkyrie might be the worst.

[Asebstos]

All the URs are good, but a couple are awesome.

Modifié par Asebstos, 30 janvier 2013 - 12:34 .

[iOnlySignIn]

iyFale wrote...

I don't really care about Indra but if I remember it right Indra has more damage than Collector SMG.

It does. Even against Armor. And that is without considering CSMG overheating, and Indra's built-in scope/superior accuracy. They both weigh the same (i.e. practically nothing) too.

[BlackDahlia424]

ISHYGDDT wrote...

That was my point, either we discuss stats, or there's not really much of a reason for this thread because everyone has their own preferences which can't really be disputed.

Even the stats don't always tell the story. Statistically the Paladin is better than the Saber (especially with the pistol heavy barrel), but I still like the Saber a lot more. The clip size and feel of the gun make it for me.

And some people like the Typhoon more than the PPR despite the stats favoring the PPR.

[Zjarcal]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

I think they are all good weapons, but if I am to rank one last, that'd be the Indra.

If the Indra is an SMG or an AR, it would suck.

But it's an SR, so you can stack Heavy Barrel + Piercing and it will enjoy zero Armor Damage Resistance. Right?

You can't get any AP mod with the CSMG or the Typhoon without loosing either +25% Damage or +80% Magazine, which severely gimps these weapons.

I use consumables, I couldn't care less about your "their damage against armor sucks without consumables" argument.

[I am Sovereign]

Zjarcal wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

That was my point, either we discuss stats, or there's not really much of a reason for this thread because everyone has their own preferences which can't really be disputed.

QFT

I am Sovereign wrote...

Your point? Is there one? (insert random smiley)

This thread's point, is there one? 

See the above quote... if you only want to discuss opinions, then there's no point in even acknowledging other people. If you want to argue facts, then back them up.

If this is purely an opinion thread, there's really no point to it really.

Nope, just talking for the sake of talking. The point of forums.

[ValorOfArms777]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

iyFale wrote...

I don't really care about Indra but if I remember it right Indra has more damage than Collector SMG.

It does. Even against Armor. And that is without considering CSMG overheating, and Indra's built-in scope/superior accuracy. They both weigh the same (i.e. practically nothing) too.

CSMG also does not worry about ammo consumption...it has inate armor over bonus...good acc anyways...and it's a SMG it's bound to not be overly powerful but it is better than most figure

most URs need lvl 5 to become "acceptable gold running"

[Sulaco_7]

prostheticlimbs wrote...

I am Sovereign wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

The Black Widow. It's horrific.

Explain.

I generally snipe as an infiltrator. Usually a quarian. When I use my Widow, I can one shot Hunters, Pyros, and Rocket Troopers. When using the Black Widow, it takes two shots. Sure, there are three rounds in the clip but having to shoot twice to do the same amount of damage cancels that out. Not to mention that the Black Widow cannot pierce through soft cover and armor quite as effectively.

Give me the Javelin anyday.

For mooks, javelin and widow are better.  For bosses, the black widow does more damage.  You can fire two black widow shots under cloak vs just one for javelin/widow.

Two black widow shots under cloak does more damage than one javelin/widow shot under cloak.

[SpartanK]

Paladin. It definitely is a decent gun but it is boring and bland to use. I would rather take the scorpion and enjoy my revenge stun-locking the enemy =p.

[iOnlySignIn]

Zjarcal wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

I think they are all good weapons, but if I am to rank one last, that'd be the Indra.

If the Indra is an SMG or an AR, it would suck.

But it's an SR, so you can stack Heavy Barrel + Piercing and it will enjoy zero Armor Damage Resistance. Right?

You can't get any AP mod with the CSMG or the Typhoon without loosing either +25% Damage or +80% Magazine, which severely gimps these weapons.

I use consumables, I couldn't care less about your "their damage against armor sucks without consumables" argument.

My argument works with Consumables too. It's not about Consumables. It's about Mods. SRs and Shotguns get much better Mods (Heavy Barrel, Thermal Scope, OmniBlade) than ARs and SMGs, and no amount of Consumables will change that.

Even with Consumables, an Indra with Warp Ammo is still superior to a CSMG with AP Ammo in every way. Not because of how Consumables work, but because Indra, as an SR, gets much better mods than CSMG.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 30 janvier 2013 - 12:41 .

[Daveros]

Indra?

It's either Indra or Saber, but I can't decide which.

[Crimson Vanguard]

Claymore