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[I am Sovereign]

Sulaco_7 wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

I am Sovereign wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

The Black Widow. It's horrific.

Explain.

I generally snipe as an infiltrator. Usually a quarian. When I use my Widow, I can one shot Hunters, Pyros, and Rocket Troopers. When using the Black Widow, it takes two shots. Sure, there are three rounds in the clip but having to shoot twice to do the same amount of damage cancels that out. Not to mention that the Black Widow cannot pierce through soft cover and armor quite as effectively.

Give me the Javelin anyday.

For mooks, javelin and widow are better.  For bosses, the black widow does more damage.  You can fire two black widow shots under cloak vs just one for javelin/widow.

Two black widow shots under cloak does more damage than one javelin/widow shot under cloak.

[billy the squid]

tivesz wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

tivesz wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

tivesz wrote...

I am Sovereign wrote...

tivesz wrote...

Saber.
Indra is a runner-up.

What are you smoking? I want some.

If you're on PC, it might be not that bad, because of the EZ headshots, but on console, it just doesn't do that well, especially on a non-weapon oriented class. And I'd like some of that drugs that you're on, when you mentioned the Javelin.

Yeah you see there's your problem. Expect a Saber to do as well on a Adept/ Vanguard or engineer as a Soldier or Infiltrator.

Lol, someone need to learn to headshot. And yes I am on a console as well. Saber/ Indra on a Turian sol. with mrksman gives you +55% headshot damage + and increased rate of fire with almost no recoil. On a ghost you don't even have to try, HS Adrenaline rush 70% extra damage. Devestator, MQS..... actually I'm wondering how you haven't got either of these weapons to work on any weapons class, you don't even have to aim for the head for them to be effective. 

Wow, how non-sense is that, that I expect a weapon to be good on an engineer or on an adept! 
Saber is not one of them, and most of the UR weapons are. 

I said as good. That's the difference. If you expect the Saber, Harrier, PPR or any UR to hit as hard as when equiped on a weapons class with the massive buffs to DPS and recoil, RoF, even debuff with some. The yeah you're deluding yourself.

Eg. Why would you ever equip a Saber on a Drelldept? Or Fury? It's pointless and doesn't play to the class and kit's strengths. If you expect a heavy, semi auto weapon to perform to the same standard as it does on a Turian sol. then I can't take you seriously.

I never said I expect them to perform those weapons the same on FQE than on a TSol. But while I can destroy the map with a CSMG or a PPR/Harrier/Talon/Wraith on a.. let's say Geth Engineer or a Human Infiltrator, the Saber is pretty lackluster.

The Saber emphasises precise shooting. If you can do that then you're fine, if not then it's not going to work as well. That's the weapon's design. You wouldn't try and snipe across the area with a Talon or a Wraith from long range and expect it to be as effective as a Saber, Harrier or PPR would you?

In terms of ease of use the Harrier and to a lesser extent the PPR has the Saber beaten. But if you can get the 20 headshot medal with the Harrier, which isn't difficult, then you can with the Saber, but you get a larger benefit due to the Saber's higher damage per shot. But decreasing returns if you just spray the target with shots, rather than place them. 

Hell, if I can double headshot with a Black Widow at point blank range then one is easily capable of doing so with a Saber.The weight of the saber I do agree can be an issue for some classes, but power classes have the debuffs to make up for the raw DPS. For instance a FQE is not a terrible class specifically when combining the Saber Cryo blast and Incendiary  powers as a couple of well placed shots from the Saber drops shields or the power slows and staggers letting you get at least 1 easy shot to the head.

Modifié par billy the squid, 30 janvier 2013 - 12:45 .

[Tybo]

Zjarcal wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

I think they are all good weapons, but if I am to rank one last, that'd be the Indra.

If the Indra is an SMG or an AR, it would suck.

But it's an SR, so you can stack Heavy Barrel + Piercing and it will enjoy zero Armor Damage Resistance. Right?

You can't get any AP mod with the CSMG or the Typhoon without loosing either +25% Damage or +80% Magazine, which severely gimps these weapons.

I use consumables, I couldn't care less about your "their damage against armor sucks without consumables" argument.

Seconded

Also, SMGs get the best mods.  Heatsink + Mag upgrade is the best mod combination in the game.  It's the  reason the Hurricane is better than the Harrier on weapons classes.  It's just too bad the heatsink doesn't work with the CSMG

Modifié par tyhw, 30 janvier 2013 - 12:44 .

[I am Sovereign]

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

Claymore

You had ONE JOB.

[baltoid]

CSMG.  So glad I have it leveled to IV while my Saber has been sitting at I for months. 

Modifié par baltoid, 30 janvier 2013 - 12:50 .

[Creator Limbs]

I am Sovereign wrote...

Sulaco_7 wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

I am Sovereign wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

The Black Widow. It's horrific.

Explain.

I generally snipe as an infiltrator. Usually a quarian. When I use my Widow, I can one shot Hunters, Pyros, and Rocket Troopers. When using the Black Widow, it takes two shots. Sure, there are three rounds in the clip but having to shoot twice to do the same amount of damage cancels that out. Not to mention that the Black Widow cannot pierce through soft cover and armor quite as effectively.

Give me the Javelin anyday.

For mooks, javelin and widow are better.  For bosses, the black widow does more damage.  You can fire two black widow shots under cloak vs just one for javelin/widow.

Two black widow shots under cloak does more damage than one javelin/widow shot under cloak.

Not valid, especially not with the cooldown for cloak.

[cowwy]

I am Sovereign wrote...

cowwy wrote...

I would say CSMG but at least that has a niche. The Saber is a terrible gun and it should feel bad about itself. Even the Valkyrie is more effective for destroying mooks with headshots and it has a better DPS for bosses.

*snip

>implying that the Valkryie has better DPS than the Saber.

Are you on some kind of debate team?

[Zjarcal]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

I think they are all good weapons, but if I am to rank one last, that'd be the Indra.

If the Indra is an SMG or an AR, it would suck.

But it's an SR, so you can stack Heavy Barrel + Piercing and it will enjoy zero Armor Damage Resistance. Right?

You can't get any AP mod with the CSMG or the Typhoon without loosing either +25% Damage or +80% Magazine, which severely gimps these weapons.

I use consumables, I couldn't care less about your "their damage against armor sucks without consumables" argument.

My argument works with Consumables too. It's not about Consumables. It's about Mods. SRs and Shotguns get much better Mods (Heavy Barrel, Thermal Scope, OmniBlade) than ARs and SMGs, and no amount of Consumables will change that.

Even with Consumables, an Indra with Warp Ammo is still superior to a CSMG with AP Ammo in every way. Not because of how Consumables work, but because Indra, as an SR, gets much better mods than CSMG.

So your argument is actually CSMG vs Indra? Sorry, was not really taking you seriously since you were bringing the Typhoon into the equation (which will kill armored targets faster than the Indra with both piercing mods even with only the extended barrel and magazine mod).

I don't use the CSMG on anything but a biotic character with warp ammo and I never use the Indra on such characters (hate to used scoped weapons on casters), so my opinion on the damage comparison was more than a bit clouded due to the warp ammo bonus the CSMG was getting.

I ran the numbers again, and you're right, Indra outperforms it significantly. CSMG does have the weight advantage but the Indra is still light enough for a caster, and after seeing the true performance difference without my setups getting in the way, I'll have to rank the CSMG lower than the Indra now.

Though honestly, I will still use the CSMG over the Indra on casters (again, don't like dealing with a scope).

tyhw wrote...

It's just too bad the heatsink doesn't work with the CSMG

Definitely, I'd love to see that gun's performance with a working heatsink.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 30 janvier 2013 - 01:21 .

[Reaper_prime]

DullahansXMark wrote...

The Cerberus Harr

Dammit, I ran out of letters. Lemme go run to the ammo box real quick.

LOL

[Greyfrogx]

@Sulaco 7

you are missing the point.

While the black widow might get two cloaked shots off instead of the javelins one.......

The javelin didn't need the second shot. It just killed all the things.



@I am Sovereign

you sir are wrong about the javelin but as you only have it at III iirc from the OP then you should be forgiven.

It's already a beast at III but when you get it to X then it's a brute one shotting, dragoon dismissing, atlas hulling angel sent from on high to make you love single shot weapons and praise the glory of hoxtatron

[Flambrose]

Scorpion or Paladin.

I get that Scorpion is a handy phantom/dragoon counter, but I don't really find much reason to use it otherwise. Paladin I never use because Arc Pistol and Talon are better.

[Jayhau]

Saber is legit

Paladin gets my vote.

[Hyperglide]

CSMG is.

[Muhkida]

Not a big fan of 3 rounds per clip, so Paladin...which I've happened to just recently topped off from VI to X today.

Stupid Javelin IX, why won't you level up!?!?

[U Bite My Pillow]

DullahansXMark wrote...

The Cerberus Harr

Dammit, I ran out of letters. Lemme go run to the ammo box real quick.

lol... Sad but true

[HolyAvenger]

Personally dislike and don't use the Typhoon or Indra (both at X, go figure).

[P51Mus7ang]

I am Sovereign wrote...

tivesz wrote...

Saber.
Indra is a runner-up.

What are you smoking? I want some.

Gosh I love the Indra, run it on the Huntress in Gold and Plat, really performs for me

[soulstriker09]

Probably Paladin.
But personally, Saber... and I'm on PC.

*prepares flameshield*

[Zjarcal]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Personally dislike and don't use the Typhoon.... 

Sorry but, I don't think we can be friends anymore. 

[Feneckus]

Indra.

Definitely not as good as the Javelin, BW, CSR or Widow.

Anyone who said CSMG should be banned IMO. It has the same DPS vs armor than the Harrier and is the most reliable automatic weapon when it comes to applying ammo effects. And you can keep shooting for a looooooooong time without ever having to reload. And you don't need to waste time going to an ammo box.

[HolyAvenger]

Zjarcal wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Personally dislike and don't use the Typhoon.... 

Sorry but, I don't think we can be friends anymore. 

 

Hey, people like me make Eric Fagnan think it might need a buff:wizard:

[ISHYGDDT]

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

That was my point, either we discuss stats, or there's not really much of a reason for this thread because everyone has their own preferences which can't really be disputed.

Even the stats don't always tell the story. Statistically the Paladin is better than the Saber (especially with the pistol heavy barrel), but I still like the Saber a lot more. The clip size and feel of the gun make it for me.

And some people like the Typhoon more than the PPR despite the stats favoring the PPR.

I don't know about that, both are precision weapons whose main use is 2-shotting shielded mooks, the Saber can kill 4 mooks without reloading while the paladin can kill 1 1/2.

There's more to stats than DPS.

[oO Stryfe Oo]

The worst UR? My vote goes for either the Paladin or the Indra. The Paladin's clip size is uncomfortably small for it's precision, and the Indra forces you to use that scope. I don't like scopes on rapid-fire weapons.

[mrcanada]

Paladin and Indra, but they're by no means bad weapons.

[ToaOrka]

tivesz wrote...

Saber.
Indra is a runner-up.

No.