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[Gordzilla]

Collector SMG

[andresft]

I must be in the minority, but I don't have any major complaints against any UR.

I love the Indra. I have an Indra I and I got my 75-kills medal last weekend on Gold with it. Topped the score easily. Solid DPS, super easy to use, no room for error, good vs. mooks and bosses alike.

The CSMG, I can see how it's one of the least appealing, but I use it on my Huntress and I love it. Gold-ready weapon, too.

The Black Widow is my favorite weapon, so that's that.

The only one I wouldn't really take to Gold is the Scorpion, but that's because I have a Scorpion I and I don't really know how to use it well.

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

Feneckus wrote...

Indra.

Definitely not as good as the Javelin, BW, CSR or Widow.

Anyone who said CSMG should be banned IMO. It has the same DPS vs armor than the Harrier and is the most reliable automatic weapon when it comes to applying ammo effects. And you can keep shooting for a looooooooong time without ever having to reload. And you don't need to waste time going to an ammo box.

CSMG 

[sliven020]

OP clearly has not tried a Javelin with phasic rounds on a GI.

On topic, worst UR is the Collector SMG. Unless you have that thing at X, in which case it becomes usable, it sucks.

[aeryk117]

andresft wrote...

I must be in the minority, but I don't have any major complaints against any UR.

The only one I wouldn't really take to Gold is the Scorpion, but that's because I have a Scorpion I and I don't really know how to use it well.

I completely agree - I think all of the UR weapons are pretty darn good.

For the scorpion, wield it on a class with CC (chain overload, AOE energy drain, etc.) and you have a spawn wrecking nightmare of a weapon:devil:

[iOnlySignIn]

Zjarcal wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

My argument works with Consumables too. It's not about Consumables. It's about Mods. SRs and Shotguns get much better Mods (Heavy Barrel, Thermal Scope, OmniBlade) than ARs and SMGs, and no amount of Consumables will change that.

Even with Consumables, an Indra with Warp Ammo is still superior to a CSMG with AP Ammo in every way. Not because of how Consumables work, but because Indra, as an SR, gets much better mods than CSMG.

So your argument is actually CSMG vs Indra? Sorry, was not really taking you seriously since you were bringing the Typhoon into the equation (which will kill armored targets faster than the Indra with both piercing mods even with only the extended barrel and magazine mod).

I don't use the CSMG on anything but a biotic character with warp ammo and I never use the Indra on such characters (hate to used scoped weapons on casters), so my opinion on the damage comparison was more than a bit clouded due to the warp ammo bonus the CSMG was getting.

I ran the numbers again, and you're right, Indra outperforms it significantly. CSMG does have the weight advantage but the Indra is still light enough for a caster, and after seeing the true performance difference without my setups getting in the way, I'll have to rank the CSMG lower than the Indra now.

Though honestly, I will still use the CSMG over the Indra on casters (again, don't like dealing with a scope).

Thank you for being kind.

I play Engineers way more than Adepts, which gives the Indra an added advantage over the CSMG in the form of Operative Package.

The CSMG and the Typhoon suffer from the same problems, namely:
- Suffering a ridiculous extra 50% Armor Damage Resistance
- Cripplingly less effective without Magazine Size Mod

These two combined means you have to give up something when selecting mods. In comparison SRs and Shotguns can have their cake and eat it - monstrous AP AND +25% damage at the same time.

Sure the Typhoon is much better than the CSMG, but that's just like an American AIDS patient being much healthier than a Malawian AIDS patient. They still both have the same disease. A disease that makes ARs/SMGs underpowered as a whole compared to SRs/Shotguns. It's just most pronounced in these two weapons.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 30 janvier 2013 - 02:31 .

[STRANGE10VE]

Either the paladin or indra.

[iOnlySignIn]

Feneckus wrote...

Anyone who said CSMG should be banned IMO. It has the same DPS vs armor than the Harrier

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 30 janvier 2013 - 02:29 .

[BoneCarlos Lee]

Some People say CSMG will be great at level 10, but for most players it is very difficult to reach there.

Sounds just like "hey you know my Lamborghini is quite cool, you should get one" - hell yes I do want if I win the lottery.

So, for common people, it just sucks

Modifié par BoneCarlos Lee, 30 janvier 2013 - 02:28 .

[ToLazy4Name]

Indra/CSMG

[BlackDahlia424]

BoneCarlos Lee wrote...

Some People say CSMG will be great at level 10, but for most players it is very difficult to reach there.

Sounds just like "hey you know my Lamborghini is quite cool, you should get one" - hell yes I do want if I win the lottery.

So, for common people, it just sucks

At lower levels, its clip size is simply too small and it does too little damage. Might be the most level dependent gun in the game. A UR shouldn't need to be 8+ to be useable.

[Feneckus]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Anyone who said CSMG should be banned IMO. It has the same DPS vs armor than the Harrier

I have video proof, will upload it when i feel like it.

[DcIhNaGv3z]

I will go with the M-77 Paladin

However, I would still use the Paladin over the Scorpion, but that is not meant to imply that the scorpion is bad. I just don't like using it.

[.458]

I can't really say that any of the UR suck, or is really worst...some are just more specialized than others.

Javelin is definitely on the "best" list, but you have to know how to use it. Although black widow is a good sniper weapon, and I like it, I will say that it does not deserve to be UR since it is underpowered.

The weapon in UR that is probably a good weapon but bottom of UR pile is the wraith, all due to speed limitations.

[FlowCytometry]

Paladin or Indra; neither are bad weapons though. All the URs are at least decent, though some are late-bloomers.

[Xeraphas]

I would have to concur with Javelin, every other gun in the UR list is pretty good and fairly effective. Though it could be argued the Eagle may give the Javelin a run for the worst, since it was buffed though, at least it has had some improvement. Javelin is so slow with so few rounds and is so heavy that you have almost no chance against a horde of enemies or fast enemies with it. If it could pretty much one or two shot kill even top bosses in gold, it maybe worth some merit, after all that is what sniper rifles are supposed to do anyway, kill with one shot.

[BlackDahlia424]

Xeraphas wrote...

I would have to concur with Javelin, every other gun in the UR list is pretty good and fairly effective. Though it could be argued the Eagle may give the Javelin a run for the worst, since it was buffed though, at least it has had some improvement. Javelin is so slow with so few rounds and is so heavy that you have almost no chance against a horde of enemies or fast enemies with it. If it could pretty much one or two shot kill even top bosses in gold, it maybe worth some merit, after all that is what sniper rifles are supposed to do anyway, kill with one shot.

Learn to reload cancel and learn how to aim. It one shots Ravagers on gold and 2 shots Brutes.

[ISHYGDDT]

Xeraphas wrote...

I would have to concur with Javelin, every other gun in the UR list is pretty good and fairly effective. Though it could be argued the Eagle may give the Javelin a run for the worst, since it was buffed though, at least it has had some improvement. Javelin is so slow with so few rounds and is so heavy that you have almost no chance against a horde of enemies or fast enemies with it. If it could pretty much one or two shot kill even top bosses in gold, it maybe worth some merit, after all that is what sniper rifles are supposed to do anyway, kill with one shot.

zerafus pls.

Modifié par ISHYGDDT, 30 janvier 2013 - 02:55 .

[cowwy]

Feneckus wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Anyone who said CSMG should be banned IMO. It has the same DPS vs armor than the Harrier

*snip

I have video proof, will upload it when i feel like it.

Speaking for myself I understand that it has the same DPS vs armor, but my biggest gripe with the CSMG is the fact that it consumes 2 ammo per shot for the first part of a clip with no additional damage. Though I will give the thing another shot now. I still only have it at VI but I'll see if I can tolerate it now.

[randomfoo]

DullahansXMark wrote...

The Cerberus Harr

Dammit, I ran out of letters. Lemme go run to the ammo box real quick.

I'm embarrassed by how long it took me to start using Thermal Clip Capacity Gear w/ Harrier. It's just a night and day difference. (Assault Loadout probably would work well too, especially w/ a grenade class)

As for my pick... well, I don't think any of the URs are *bad* and I find myself swapping between some of them just for variety, but I end up using the Indra, Saber and Scorpion the least.

Modifié par randomfoo, 30 janvier 2013 - 03:01 .

[Jamesui]

CSMG on Indra. Which is weird because they're both high godly. Tie to be decided by firing SFX. I dislike both competitors or that front.

[RedJohn]

I'd say Eagle.

[cdzander]

Boog_89 wrote...

Collector smg, although mines only level II.

I agree. Mine's a III now, but when I used it for challenges it was at II and thus underwhelming.

[Kalas Magnus]

csmg no contest

[drmoose00]

cdzander wrote...

Boog_89 wrote...

Collector smg, although mines only level II.

I agree. Mine's a III now, but when I used it for challenges it was at II and thus underwhelming.

well, at X it is pretty good, BUT you all make a valid point. Antoher question would be, what is the worst UR at level 1?

might be the cSMG....