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[spudspot]

GallowsPole wrote...

Just because the devs say it, doesn't mean I have to like or agree with it. Im sure everyone in this topic can point to a balance change they didn't agree with and would like to see changed. Why is this any different?

I never asked you to agree with it, simply to stop accusing people who do agree with it of using exploits or implying they were cheaters. 

I didn't agree with the PD buff as in I didn't think it was necessary. Do I run around and call deerber a noob because he only managed an ~18min solo because he was using a stupidly powerful class? No, I don't.  

GallowsPole wrote...

There is no logical argument about the implementation of reload cancelling when the only thing I have to work with is because the devs say so. That's like saying I want to give an octopus 9 arms, but I cant cause God said so. End of discussion.

Imho, it is logical that not every reload of the same gun takes the same time. It is logical to point your gun at the enemy the moment it is actually reloaded and to not make stupid gestures while you're getting shot. It's logical to not necessarily lock players in an animation after emptying their magazine.

It's however not logical to imply somebody is cheating when that someone clearly isn't.

[Hausner85]

GallowsPole wrote...
I read fine. The only argument you have as a proponent of reload cancelling is that because the devs say we can do it, its legit. As Kenadian just pointed out.

But this is the ultimate argument. It's like with speed limit on highways. In USA it's around 65-75 mph. On German motorbahn there is often no limit so it ok to go 200 mph. So will you call me a criminal/offender for going 120 mph in Germany? And in country of Mass Effect the Bioware is the lawmaker. You can arque that some law is wrong but you shouldn't call some a criminal if his action are not against the law in force...

Modifié par Hausner85, 30 janvier 2013 - 12:24 .

[GallowsPole]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

While you may not call pre nerf Krysae users cheaters per se, what the heck woulda been the difference between that and missile glitching.

 

The developers intended for the Krysae to be in the game, they did not intend for missile glitching to be in the game. 

Your argument falls at the first hurdle.

In case you hadn't noticed, not one dev has commented on the multitudes of reload canceling threads. They want my almighty dollar, which is what everything boils down to. And most likely if they did, they will refer to either the posts from Hollan and Norman or just give their personal view on the topic. Anything else, will alienate players. I maybe the only one that frequently posts about it, but I know Im not the only one that feels this way.

[darkpassenger2342]

GallowsPole wrote...

With regards to reload cancelling, I will say that it is a fine line between cheating or not. While you may not call pre nerf Krysae users cheaters per se, what the heck woulda been the difference between that and missile glitching. It was almost synonymous. The only difference being, its in the game. That doesn't mean we have to like it and I should be able to have an opinion on it. I don't go around getting on everyone who calls a Reegar a n00b tube. Another weapon that blurs the lines. The only thing that defines a cheat is what the devs say it is, whether it really is or really isn't.

the "fine line" is perception.

the bolded is your opinion.

 although these things are blatantly obvious, i told you anyway.

your perception of cheating is obviously not the same as pretty much anyone else's on this forum, so stop making it your primary agenda to call people cheaters every chance you get.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 30 janvier 2013 - 12:21 .

[Dracian]

GallowsPole wrote...

With regards to reload cancelling, I will say that it is a fine line between cheating or not. While you may not call pre nerf Krysae users cheaters per se, what the heck woulda been the difference between that and missile glitching. It was almost synonymous. The only difference being, its in the game. That doesn't mean we have to like it and I should be able to have an opinion on it. I don't go around getting on everyone who calls a Reegar a n00b tube. Another weapon that blurs the lines. The only thing that defines a cheat is what the devs say it is, whether it really is or really isn't.

Dafuq ?

Seriously, learn2troll, GP.

[GallowsPole]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

With regards to reload cancelling, I will say that it is a fine line between cheating or not. While you may not call pre nerf Krysae users cheaters per se, what the heck woulda been the difference between that and missile glitching. It was almost synonymous. The only difference being, its in the game. That doesn't mean we have to like it and I should be able to have an opinion on it. I don't go around getting on everyone who calls a Reegar a n00b tube. Another weapon that blurs the lines. The only thing that defines a cheat is what the devs say it is, whether it really is or really isn't.

the "fine line" is perception.

the bolded is your opinion.

 although these things are blatantly obvious, i told you anyway.

your perception of cheating is obviously not the same as pretty much anyone else's on this forum, so stop making it your primary agenda to call people cheaters every chance you get.

My definition of cheating will never outweigh or even persuade most gamers on any gaming forum. They will always have the argument to say the devs put it in so its legit and never have to explain how they really feel on the topic in front of their peers (lets face it, Im probably, at 43, a minority) and probably the biggest factor, male pride.

[GallowsPole]

Dracian wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

With regards to reload cancelling, I will say that it is a fine line between cheating or not. While you may not call pre nerf Krysae users cheaters per se, what the heck woulda been the difference between that and missile glitching. It was almost synonymous. The only difference being, its in the game. That doesn't mean we have to like it and I should be able to have an opinion on it. I don't go around getting on everyone who calls a Reegar a n00b tube. Another weapon that blurs the lines. The only thing that defines a cheat is what the devs say it is, whether it really is or really isn't.

Dafuq ?

Seriously, learn2troll, GP.

Hey Im up to 10 pages. Im doing something right.

[mrwizeguy]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

count_4 wrote...

Noticed this quite a while ago when doing far charges with my Vanguard. It's fun to do but rather situational.

 

Depends a lot on the build.

On a Claymore GI for example I do it a lot. Cloak --> shoot --> prox mine. Means more time spent using powers/shooting and less time doing long reload animations. 

i m not sure if you r serious sirian . like my previous post .
The time the bullet loads is the same as normal reload canceling. 
BSN at its best , posting on missleading information.
Is there or isnt a defined number for each weapons reload ? There is .
from the instant you fire your power that timer starts to count , you dont gain anything .
the only advantage of this could be with snipers because at reload the gun isnt animated up so its easyer to keep your aim at the target. the bullet will not reload faster.
But yea , every stupid or troll thread here gets the best of you keep it up

[GallowsPole]

One other thing. As a gamer, and admittedly I don't play a lot anymore, but as a gamer and consumer, I personally find it cheap and lazy to include a 15 year old game mechanic and hey, now you know that reload cancelling doesn't come from ME2. BioWare's version of it perhaps, but not the actual concept.

[VerySeed]

mrwizeguy wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

count_4 wrote...

Noticed this quite a while ago when doing far charges with my Vanguard. It's fun to do but rather situational.

 

Depends a lot on the build.

On a Claymore GI for example I do it a lot. Cloak --> shoot --> prox mine. Means more time spent using powers/shooting and less time doing long reload animations. 

i m not sure if you r serious sirian . like my previous post .
The time the bullet loads is the same as normal reload canceling. 
BSN at its best , posting on missleading information.
Is there or isnt a defined number for each weapons reload ? There is .
from the instant you fire your power that timer starts to count , you dont gain anything .
the only advantage of this could be with snipers because at reload the gun isnt animated up so its easyer to keep your aim at the target. the bullet will not reload faster.
But yea , every stupid or troll thread here gets the best of you keep it up

GallowsPole, is that you?

[LuckyBullet95]

GallowsPole wrote...

We should all just missile glitch and be done with it. When hackers manipulate software, they go to jail. When video gamers manipulate software, they're gaming heroes. Whether the mechanic is legit or not, you're still manipulating the software to your advantage.

For shame exploiters. For shame.

Do you ever post anything different? Change the bloody record, even BioWare "manipulate the software" and it's technically not maniluplating the software as you are not making any changes of the software. Missile Glitching is caused by a minor coding oversight on the developers part, those who wrongfully abuse it did nothing to the software, judging from there need to use it I doubt they could even give the definition of software even if we linked them to wikipedia, gave them an oxford english dictionary and gave them free use of all the idiotic "Answer" site like Yahoo, WikiAnswers annd AskJeeves.

HOWEVER reload cancellling is an intended game mechanics it has it's own individual value of how much of the animation you can cancel, you are not manipulating code you are executed a block of it that was CODED BY THE DEVS THEMSELVES. There is no manipulation. Granted though your point  later in the thread about the origins and current state of reload cancelling make me hate this generation. I really just don't believe anyone is so stupid as to believe RC comes from ME2, sure it was introduced to this franchise ins ME2 but it wasn't introduced to gaming, it's been aparent in games for a good two or three console generations (as you rightfully pointed out). It is a shame that RC is so easy to perform that it is used by a  Bronze players who haven't even gotten every character to 20 though.

The case is the same here. Reload and Power Animations are too separate bits of code. You execute both at the what seems like the same time (Yay for high processing power!). This means you aren't cancelling any of the animation just that the animation itself is overridden by the Power Animation and once it passes the Reload Animaiton (which is short than the Power Animation) is also complete. There is no manipulation, no one has any ntent to alter, add or remove code, therefore there is no manipulation of the software.

Other exploitations that BioWare claim to be intended include Right-Hand Advantage and Spawn Control. Spawn Control I have no doubt it possible, it's always been possible in these type of game modes). It's not manipulation but rather use of a mechanic. If you know how the spawn system works you can use it to your advantage, call it an exploit but it's done all the time. Campers use spawn control (usually accidentally) to prevent enemies spawning behind them, you are ALWAYS blocking AT LEAST ONE spawn.

Right-Hand Advantage on the other hand... well BioWare did introduce RC as a developer oversight in ME2, COD did introduce Quick Scoping as a developer oversight and they both became game mechanics.  RHA seems like it is following the same path, a possible glitch in ME3 that will continue to be used as a game mechanics from here on out. Either way it has nothing to do with manipulating coding. The code that decides whether an enemy hits you still execute, just the bullets hit the cover so you take no damage.

So stop throwing around bull**** moral arguments. Sure people shouldn't Missile Glitch or abuse anything that is clearly a glitch or dev oversight that completely breaks the game (those abused by players above don't break the game) there is a huge difference between making yourself invinceable and giving yourself a Missile Launching Assault Rifle and executing two pieces of code at the same time. Like it or not you will have already done these yourself Gallows, meaningfully or not you wil have reload cancelling or BCed through your Wraith reload animtions or not got shot due to positioning of light cover and you have definitely forced an enemy spawn before. These are all things you consider as "exploitation" so just get off your bloody cloud and stop trolling these forums with your opinions because it just gets old after a while.

The simple fact that the preaching of OTS has been silenced and the preaching of you hasn't is mindboggling...

Modifié par LuckyBullet95, 30 janvier 2013 - 12:33 .

[treb1e]

GallowsPole wrote...

My definition of cheating will never outweigh or even persuade most gamers on any gaming forum. They will always have the argument to say the devs put it in so its legit and never have to explain how they really feel on the topic in front of their peers (lets face it, Im probably, at 43, a minority) and probably the biggest factor, male pride.

Not only the devs put it in, they explicitly said it's by game design you are able to reload cancel. It's a feature of THIS game and it doesn't matter if in some other game it was a bug or else.

Furthermore, the devs have the right to impose the company views about cheating with their policy. You however, do not. You are entitled an opinion. You may however want to avoid stating the false. Calling reload canceling players cheaters is not "having an opinion". It's stating the false. Hence people taking issue with you.

Devs and what they say in their official role are the law here, like it  or not.

[Blind2Society]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

You guys save me time by opening threads about it. Besides, I don't cry. If cheating, excuse me, exploiting the defects of the game strokes your e-peen, that's cool.

I look at you guys like the baseball steroid users who didn't make it into the Hall of Fame with big asterisks next to their stats. They bent the rules too.  I should be allowed to post my opposing opinion along with these threads. It's America. As long as The Constitution isn't burned, it's my right.

 

Whenever 'Muricans mention their precious Constituion with regard to freedom of speech, while posting on a forum owned by non-Americans, I have to laugh.

I'm American and I back the constitution 100%. But on an internet forum for a Canadian company where the users are form all over the world? Nah.

[spudspot]

GallowsPole wrote...

My definition of cheating will never outweigh or even persuade most gamers on any gaming forum. They will always have the argument to say the devs put it in so its legit and never have to explain how they really feel on the topic in front of their peers (lets face it, Im probably, at 43, a minority) and probably the biggest factor, male pride.

And my definition of being a moron - i.e. everybody who is not me - will never persuade anybody that he or she is a moron. Yet I insist on calling everybody a moron, because I know they feel the same but are simply too proud to admit it.

Yes, people love me in real life. I'm a wonderful person. 

[Hausner85]

GallowsPole wrote...
My definition of cheating will never outweigh or even persuade most gamers on any gaming forum. They will always have the argument to say the devs put it in so its legit and never have to explain how they really feel on the topic in front of their peers (lets face it, Im probably, at 43, a minority) and probably the biggest factor, male pride.

Again. Cheating in game is like braking law. You are not the law maker in Mass Effect (or any other game) so you have no right to point out people as offenders it they didn't brake the existing law. So as long as dev don't declare RC as illegal is legal. Simple as that. The argument of something being legitimate because lawmaker treat is like this unbreakable.

 I do like RC. Also i proud of being logical not male 

Also where it say that game developers can't reuse old concepts?

Modifié par Hausner85, 30 janvier 2013 - 12:41 .

[GallowsPole]

Actually, I was just being facetious with the first post. I didn't intend to derail a thread with my rantings. Youd think by now that everyone would take me with a grain of salt and ignore my RC threads. Don't ignore my other ones. Im kinda funny in those.

[mrwizeguy]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

mrwizeguy wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

count_4 wrote...

Noticed this quite a while ago when doing far charges with my Vanguard. It's fun to do but rather situational.

 

Depends a lot on the build.

On a Claymore GI for example I do it a lot. Cloak --> shoot --> prox mine. Means more time spent using powers/shooting and less time doing long reload animations. 

i m not sure if you r serious sirian . like my previous post .
The time the bullet loads is the same as normal reload canceling. 
BSN at its best , posting on missleading information.
Is there or isnt a defined number for each weapons reload ? There is .
from the instant you fire your power that timer starts to count , you dont gain anything .
the only advantage of this could be with snipers because at reload the gun isnt animated up so its easyer to keep your aim at the target. the bullet will not reload faster.
But yea , every stupid or troll thread here gets the best of you keep it up

 

Not sure if trolling or just retarded. You've posted extremely stupid stuff in the past though, so I'm guessing the second one.

yea , proove how retarded i am by doing a vid with both RCing and edit a timer on it to c if it reloads the bullet faster. do it or stfu

[HolyAvenger]

GallowsPole wrote...

Actually, I was just being facetious with the first post. I didn't intend to derail a thread with my rantings. Youd think by now that everyone would take me with a grain of salt and ignore my RC threads. Don't ignore my other ones. Im kinda funny in those.

Ah yes, the "it was all just a troll/joke" post.

You're a mess GP.

[Dracian]

GallowsPole wrote...

Dracian wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

With regards to reload cancelling, I will say that it is a fine line between cheating or not. While you may not call pre nerf Krysae users cheaters per se, what the heck woulda been the difference between that and missile glitching. It was almost synonymous. The only difference being, its in the game. That doesn't mean we have to like it and I should be able to have an opinion on it. I don't go around getting on everyone who calls a Reegar a n00b tube. Another weapon that blurs the lines. The only thing that defines a cheat is what the devs say it is, whether it really is or really isn't.

Dafuq ?

Seriously, learn2troll, GP.

Hey Im up to 10 pages. Im doing something right.

A good troll only needs one reply to destroy a topic, not 10 pages of moronic stupidity. A good troll only needs to read the thread and post only one reply. Because a good troll lets the users themselves kill the topic.

[Charaxan]

GallowsPole wrote...


Hey Im up to 10 pages. Im doing something right.

Yes indeed !

I think this thread is interesting per se, but maybe we should start ton concieve an other thread, just to debate, argue, strip eachother's skin and so about what should be and should not be legit, because 10 pages here says something : there must be a debate.


- The legitimity of animation exploit
And, as it is an important animation exploit : 
- The legitimity of reload-cancelling 

If those two threads are created, out of topic debates can be redirected there.

Modifié par Charaxan, 30 janvier 2013 - 12:43 .