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[Crimson Vanguard]

Here we go again. The hyena showed up and started waving its dick to others faces

[ndw542]

GallowsPole wrote...

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

Your opinion doesn't hold water when the devs explicted stated it's a game mechanic. So you can have your opinion, but you're just wrong.

Soooo if Christine Norman or Eric Fagnan stated missile glitching is a legit game mechanic, I'd assume you'd be ok with it cause the devs said it was ok.

classic example of a Straw Man.  Good one!

Modifié par ndw542, 30 janvier 2013 - 02:48 .

[ParatrooperSean]

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

We should all just missile glitch and be done with it. When hackers manipulate software, they go to jail. When video gamers manipulate software, they're gaming heroes. Whether the mechanic is legit or not, you're still manipulating the software to your advantage.

For shame exploiters. For shame.

I agree. Reload canceling should be 25 to life.

Offenders should get 20 years in the electric chair.

[GallowsPole]

ndw542 wrote...

classic example of a Straw Man.  Good one!

Really? I think you got that backwards because every time I bring it up, all of you point to the Christine Norman link! That's your ENTIRE argument. The devs put it in, so it's legit and clever use of game mechanics. Lol. And I'm silly.

[BlackDahlia424]

GallowsPole wrote...

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

Your opinion doesn't hold water when the devs explicted stated it's a game mechanic. So you can have your opinion, but you're just wrong.

Soooo if Christine Norman or Eric Fagnan stated missile glitching is a legit game mechanic, I'd assume you'd be ok with it cause the devs said it was ok.

Dumb argument. The devs have made it 100% clear that missile glitching is a bannable offense. And how does shaving off a few tenths of a second of an animation compare to 1 shotting every enemy in the game within a huge radius?

[Blarg]

DullahansXMark wrote...

And now everyone, watch as this thread transforms from a clever use of game mechanics, into a discussion on the morality of reload-cancelling!

Now you've done it. Bastard. <_<

[ParatrooperSean]

GallowsPole wrote...

ndw542 wrote...

classic example of a Straw Man.  Good one!

Really? I think you got that backwards because every time I bring it up, all of you point to the Christine Norman link! That's your ENTIRE argument. The devs put it in, so it's legit and clever use of game mechanics. Lol. And I'm silly.

Butt hurt over reload canceling? Seriously, you could ruin a wet dream.

[GallowsPole]

ParatrooperSean wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

ndw542 wrote...

classic example of a Straw Man.  Good one!

Really? I think you got that backwards because every time I bring it up, all of you point to the Christine Norman link! That's your ENTIRE argument. The devs put it in, so it's legit and clever use of game mechanics. Lol. And I'm silly.

Butt hurt over reload canceling? Seriously, you could ruin a wet dream.

Gawd. Another typical response. I opine on it and somehow I'm butt hurt over it.

[Blarg]

Distilled Poison wrote...

mrwizeguy wrote...

you really are a noob...

LOLz.. i m out.

>nothing intelligent or logical to say
>insult and leave

Must be awesome to be 14.

Hey! I'm 15 and what is this-
Wait, no, I'm doing it wrong. Anyways, don't insult 14 year olds!

I'm also not going to touch this reload cancelling discussion. Seems unwinnable and pointless. But I will try your method, OP.

[GallowsPole]

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

Your opinion doesn't hold water when the devs explicted stated it's a game mechanic. So you can have your opinion, but you're just wrong.

Soooo if Christine Norman or Eric Fagnan stated missile glitching is a legit game mechanic, I'd assume you'd be ok with it cause the devs said it was ok.

Dumb argument. The devs have made it 100% clear that missile glitching is a bannable offense. And how does shaving off a few tenths of a second of an animation compare to 1 shotting every enemy in the game within a huge radius?

Figured. No one EVER answers that question. You guys: devs put it in, it's legal. So ahain, if they made missile glitching legal, according to the intelligent reload cancelling proponents.you guys would be ok with it.

[Lexsoar]

Try casting a power right after your last round fires, while not in cover. I sometimes find this suitable with the paladin pistol. Don't often bother as I'm still not used to effectively using this quick reload with other shorter reload time weapons. Being out of cover and pausing for a second isn't always ideal, however being able to fire right after can be good.

[BlackDahlia424]

GallowsPole wrote...

Figured. No one EVER answers that question. You guys: devs put it in, it's legal. So ahain, if they made missile glitching legal, according to the intelligent reload cancelling proponents.you guys would be ok with it.

You're basing your argument on a hypothetical. The devs HAVEN'T said that missile glitching is a mechanic and they never will.

Therefore, no.

[Distilled Poison]

Alright, ignoring the troll with his panties in a bunch, I tested some things.

Power cancelling a Mantis reload with Ballistic Blades was pointless, the reload animation was far longer than the power animation, however, I suspect that this would be quite useful on a Shadow spec'd for sniping, if that's your things. Cloak > Shoot > immediately Electric slash. ES's animation should be longer than the reload, giving you time for one more shot in Cloak's damage window if you're good. Would have tested, but I didn't think of it till after I closed ME3.

Claymore on the BatSol wasn't that great.

I tried the Typhoon on the BatSol as well, since I like it, but typically only use it on Turians. Couldn't power cancel at all. He simply refused to reload during the animation.

Tried the Claymore on Novaguard. Oh dear.
At first it was really hard to power cancel on him, but if you're really quick on the buttons, the carnage is ridiculous.

[kaileena_sands]

Schneidend wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

You guys save me time by opening threads about it. Besides, I don't cry. If cheating, excuse me, exploiting the defects of the game strokes your e-peen, that's cool.

I look at you guys like the baseball steroid users who didn't make it into the Hall of Fame with big asterisks next to their stats. They bent the rules too.  I should be allowed to post my opposing opinion along with these threads. It's America. As long as The Constitution isn't burned, it's my right.

It's not bending any rules. It's not an opinion, you're just objectively wrong. When some chumps that felt the same way you do wanted the ME2 devs to patch out reload canceling, Christina Norman came out and said it was intended to be part of the game and they weren't removing it.

Lol, actually I don't mind GallowsPole always commenting against RC-ing. It has brought stability in an otherwise unsure life. We may not know whether we'll have jobs tomorrow in the current market, we may not know whether we'll have roofs above our heads tomorrow (disasters may happen), we may not have a Universe tomorrow (not really, but who knows), but we can be dead sure that whatever disaster strikes, GallowsPole will be here on BSN commenting in every single freaking topic on reload cancelling. 

I am starting to wonder whether he's using some filters/feeds so that he doesn't miss a single topic. 

Modifié par kaileena_sands, 30 janvier 2013 - 03:05 .

[GallowsPole]

Hypothetical or not, the only argument for the ability to reload cancel is because the devs put it in. That's it. Only argument. So I can replace reload cancelling with missile glitching, or ummm everyone must wear adult diapers while playing, or ummm you gotta drink every time a Volus says pay day.

Now. When the devs make balance changes people don't like, people complain. Want it changed. This is no different. It's a cheap mechanic who's heyday was 15 years ago. That's just my opinion.

[Wild Banjoman]

DullahansXMark wrote...

And now everyone, watch as this thread transforms from a clever use of game mechanics, into a discussion on the morality of reload-cancelling!

you were right

[GallowsPole]

It's not hard to miss a reload animation thread and the ridiculous posts in it. Personally, I just like the debate. I could care less who abuses it, I mean uses it.

[BlackDahlia424]

GallowsPole wrote...

Hypothetical or not, the only argument for the ability to reload cancel is because the devs put it in. That's it. Only argument. So I can replace reload cancelling with missile glitching, or ummm everyone must wear adult diapers while playing, or ummm you gotta drink every time a Volus says pay day.

Now. When the devs make balance changes people don't like, people complain. Want it changed. This is no different. It's a cheap mechanic who's heyday was 15 years ago. That's just my opinion.

Lol really? You're comparing something that actually happened in the real world to some imaginary scenarios you made up in your head. Reload canceling is dev approved - missile glitching is not. End of story. If you don't want to reload cancel, then be my guest and intentionally gimp your own DPS. Not my problem.

And to answer your hypothetical, if devs said missile glitching was allowed, I wouldn't do it, nor would I play with people that did. But to compare the 2 is absolutely asinine. One makes the game easymode and the other improves your DPS slightly.

[Homey C-Dawg]

Gallows, you do this every time. How long will it take you to understand that the creators of a game get to decide what counts as cheating and what doesn't? Not us players. Our opinions on the matter are less than irrelevant. It's one of the advantages to being the creator a game.

To answer your previous question (since others avoided it), yes, if the devs stated that missile glitching was now legal, then it would no longer be considered cheating. They won't, because I and most people would stop playing as it would kill all the fun, but they could, since it's thir game. End of story.

Your opinion is not being suppressed, we've just all heard it before and you're just pissin into the wind at this point.

Modifié par Homey C-Dawg, 30 janvier 2013 - 03:17 .

[GallowsPole]

That's my point. I'm not comparing missile glitching, diaper wearing or beer drinking. I'm simply saying, you guys believe that if the devs say its ok, it's legit. End of story.

[Distilled Poison]

GallowsPole wrote...

I could care less who abuses it,

Teeheehee.

Edited for taking a cheap shot.

Modifié par Distilled Poison, 30 janvier 2013 - 03:21 .

[Zero132132]

@GallowsPole
You tell 'em, man! I've heard about this other exploit where people can somehow make power use more frequent by equipping lighter weapons. To avoid accidentally using the same exploit, I've taken to carrying a Javelin and Claymore on every build, just to make sure I don't cheat like the others. There's also some glitch where, when someone's laying on the ground, instead of needing to use a medigel, a teammate can just hold 'A' for a second over their body.

The devs say this stuff is intended, but we already know they can't be trusted. I mean, if they said missile glitching were okay, would you accept THAT?

[Feneckus]

That's one of the many reasons i like the Claymore.

You can hide the reload wih pretty much every single power in the game.

And that's why the Wraith is massively overrated.

[BlackDahlia424]

GallowsPole wrote...

That's my point. I'm not comparing missile glitching, diaper wearing or beer drinking. I'm simply saying, you guys believe that if the devs say its ok, it's legit. End of story.

But if the devs say it's legit, that's how the game will be played. I didn't say that I would campaign against missile glitching if it were allowed - I just wouldn't participate in it. Missile glitching would make the game mind-numbingly easy. It would get boring after like 3 matches. Reload canceling doesn't make the game any easier if you still lack skill - that's the difference.

[GallowsPole]

 I hate Kool-Aid drinkers.