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[Computron2000]

Hasn't people understood that the gallows guy is an attention seeker? Just ignore him.

On topic, its good to know for max efficiency. I've done it a few times but never thought hard about it as i just attributed it to the game being wonky

[darkpassenger2342]

as usual,  GP shows up to call everyone cheaters anytime animations are mentioned.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 30 janvier 2013 - 05:35 .

[UnknownMercenary]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

as usual,  GP shows up to call everyone cheaters anytime animations are mentioned.

No, you see, games are the most fun when animations take priority over everything else.

[Hausner85]

I notice it on few occasions but i'm not sure is this OK with game rules. This is an obvious glitch where RC is build on purpose game mechanic. GallowsPole opinion doesn't interest me, devs said it is was it was supposed to be so I will go with opinion of game creators not some single BSN member

Would like the devs to give us opinion is it OK to skip reload animations

[Lexsoar]

Hausner85 wrote...
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Would like the devs to give us opinion is it OK to skip reload animations

It's fine, clever use of game mechanics.

[drmoose00]

Lexsoar wrote...

Hausner85 wrote...
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Would like the devs to give us opinion is it OK to skip reload animations

It's fine, clever use of game mechanics.

it is NOT clever use of game mechanics. it is a desgined feature that the developers specifically put in the game, to reward users who have the reflexes. A few days ago there was a link to an ME forum entry that was 2 years old, where the dev who put it in the game talked about this aspect.

Comparing it to missle glitching is simply inane, and idiotic. It is like saying using heavy melee for damage reduciton is cheating...

Comparing it to running with the pizza isn't even fair.

[BjornDaDwarf]

xBUMMx wrote...

Distilled Poison wrote...

xBUMMx

BroJo? Stan? Please lock this

Why? It's an informational, on topic thread. Gallow is allowed to express his opinion, even if it's wrong and poorly structured.

Trust me, I would love for your thread to be open and educational, but this arguement is going to turn disgusting, just like every time GallowsPole talks about reload canceling.

Just don't reply.  It's the only solution really.

On topic, I notice this with some power/weapon combinations, but by and large, I'm not sure how useful it is (outside of a few very specific combos like the Wraith/BB).  You often can't actually shoot coming out of the power animation, as the reload hasn't finished, even though the chamber is loaded and no animation is going on.  I notice this with the Kishock a fair amount. 

[Schneidend]

GallowsPole wrote...

Figured. No one EVER answers that question. You guys: devs put it in, it's legal. So ahain, if they made missile glitching legal, according to the intelligent reload cancelling proponents.you guys would be ok with it.

Well crap, guys. If the devs intentionally put something in, it's not automatically okay. I mean, they didn't make the game after all. So, just don't use ANY guns and you'll be okay.

Katana? Abusive.
Avenger? Abusive.
Viper? Abusive.
Etc.

[millahnna]

I think I've done this with the Human Soldier with a Raider but I can't seem to nail the timing consistently. I wail on the CS and AR buttons inbetween my 2 (or 3 if offhost) shots. But I noticed that several of my CS cancels resulted in a full on skip (I thought I'd hit AR on accident at first).

[ndw542]

GallowsPole wrote...

ndw542 wrote...

classic example of a Straw Man.  Good one!

Really? I think you got that backwards because every time I bring it up, all of you point to the Christine Norman link! That's your ENTIRE argument. The devs put it in, so it's legit and clever use of game mechanics. Lol. And I'm silly.

I see you have absolutely no idea what a Straw Man is.  Use the googles. 

[Crimson Vanguard]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

as usual,  GP shows up to call everyone cheaters anytime animations are mentioned.

Like a hyena shows up whenever there is a dead body

[Dracian]

Obvious Trollthread is obvious.

[wartser]

Ugh, I hate it when threads wander off-topic.

Anyways, my favorite way to hide the reload is the Batarian Slasher Adept with a Wraith. Warp -> shoot, shoot -> Cluster Grenade (gun automatically reloads while throwing). It feels a lot more useful than the standard reload cancelling, but seems to be much more specific to weapon/power combinations.

[joseardzm]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Gallows, you do this every time. How long will it take you to understand that the creators of a game get to decide what counts as cheating and what doesn't? Not us players. Our opinions on the matter are less than irrelevant. It's one of the advantages to being the creator a game.

To answer your previous question (since others avoided it), yes, if the devs stated that missile glitching was now legal, then it would no longer be considered cheating. They won't, because I and most people would stop playing as it would kill all the fun, but they could, since it's thir game. End of story.

Your opinion is not being suppressed, we've just all heard it before and you're just pissin into the wind at this point.

I think I am of the few members that support Gallows....

Our opinions are less than irrelevant? mmm I think that's not correct we actually bought the product, so yeah we have a voice.

What they call a clever use of mechanics is just bs. Though I particulary dont find reload cancelling a big deal... is a minor crime. However, I think that the devs didnt even know how to reload cancel until we found out. If they gave a weapon a reload time animation, why would it be able to be skipped? Just think about it... I find it very hard to believe that they've intended to code this particulary way to reload cancel, I just cant. I think the same about the pizza delivery.

At the end:
Reload cancel is like getting drunk - OK for everyone
Pizza delivery is like doing weed  - Not all agree
And Missle Glitch is like doing meth - BANNED!

[darkpassenger2342]

joseardzm wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Gallows, you do this every time. How long will it take you to understand that the creators of a game get to decide what counts as cheating and what doesn't? Not us players. Our opinions on the matter are less than irrelevant. It's one of the advantages to being the creator a game.

To answer your previous question (since others avoided it), yes, if the devs stated that missile glitching was now legal, then it would no longer be considered cheating. They won't, because I and most people would stop playing as it would kill all the fun, but they could, since it's thir game. End of story.

Your opinion is not being suppressed, we've just all heard it before and you're just pissin into the wind at this point.

I think I am of the few members that support Gallows....

Our opinions are less than irrelevant? mmm I think that's not correct we actually bought the product, so yeah we have a voice.

What they call a clever use of mechanics is just bs. Though I particulary dont find reload cancelling a big deal... is a minor crime. However, I think that the devs didnt even know how to reload cancel until we found out. If they gave a weapon a reload time animation, why would it be able to be skipped? Just think about it... I find it very hard to believe that they've intended to code this particulary way to reload cancel, I just cant. I think the same about the pizza delivery.

At the end:
Reload cancel is like getting drunk - OK for everyone
Pizza delivery is like doing weed  - Not all agree
And Missle Glitch is like doing meth - BANNED!

after that post, i doubt he wants your support.
this is a terribly ignorant comparison, and in no way relevant.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 30 janvier 2013 - 08:13 .

[joseardzm]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

joseardzm wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Gallows, you do this every time. How long will it take you to understand that the creators of a game get to decide what counts as cheating and what doesn't? Not us players. Our opinions on the matter are less than irrelevant. It's one of the advantages to being the creator a game.

To answer your previous question (since others avoided it), yes, if the devs stated that missile glitching was now legal, then it would no longer be considered cheating. They won't, because I and most people would stop playing as it would kill all the fun, but they could, since it's thir game. End of story.

Your opinion is not being suppressed, we've just all heard it before and you're just pissin into the wind at this point.

I think I am of the few members that support Gallows....

Our opinions are less than irrelevant? mmm I think that's not correct we actually bought the product, so yeah we have a voice.

What they call a clever use of mechanics is just bs. Though I particulary dont find reload cancelling a big deal... is a minor crime. However, I think that the devs didnt even know how to reload cancel until we found out. If they gave a weapon a reload time animation, why would it be able to be skipped? Just think about it... I find it very hard to believe that they've intended to code this particulary way to reload cancel, I just cant. I think the same about the pizza delivery.

At the end:
Reload cancel is like getting drunk - OK for everyone
Pizza delivery is like doing weed  - Not all agree
And Missle Glitch is like doing meth - BANNED!

after that post, i doubt he wants your support.
this is a terribly ignorant comparison, and in no way relevant.

Insulting isn't very clever either.

[darkpassenger2342]

joseardzm wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

joseardzm wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Gallows, you do this every time. How long will it take you to understand that the creators of a game get to decide what counts as cheating and what doesn't? Not us players. Our opinions on the matter are less than irrelevant. It's one of the advantages to being the creator a game.

To answer your previous question (since others avoided it), yes, if the devs stated that missile glitching was now legal, then it would no longer be considered cheating. They won't, because I and most people would stop playing as it would kill all the fun, but they could, since it's thir game. End of story.

Your opinion is not being suppressed, we've just all heard it before and you're just pissin into the wind at this point.

I think I am of the few members that support Gallows....

Our opinions are less than irrelevant? mmm I think that's not correct we actually bought the product, so yeah we have a voice.

What they call a clever use of mechanics is just bs. Though I particulary dont find reload cancelling a big deal... is a minor crime. However, I think that the devs didnt even know how to reload cancel until we found out. If they gave a weapon a reload time animation, why would it be able to be skipped? Just think about it... I find it very hard to believe that they've intended to code this particulary way to reload cancel, I just cant. I think the same about the pizza delivery.

At the end:
Reload cancel is like getting drunk - OK for everyone
Pizza delivery is like doing weed  - Not all agree
And Missle Glitch is like doing meth - BANNED!

after that post, i doubt he wants your support.
this is a terribly ignorant comparison, and in no way relevant.

Insulting isn't very clever either.

try rereading what i said, thats not an insult.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 30 janvier 2013 - 08:17 .

[joseardzm]

Oh You are correct, is just your opinion, and actually with awesome arguments.

[Hausner85]

GallowsPole wrote...

Figured. No one EVER answers that question. You guys: devs put it in, it's legal. So ahain, if they made missile glitching legal, according to the intelligent reload cancelling proponents.you guys would be ok with it.

But they didn't. THAT is the difference... Gallows your wasting your time RC was put on purpose and its legal and that's the end of story. You don't like? That's OK you don't have to use it. Others have every right to use is as they please. Also no matter how much you fight over it the devs are not going to remove it. So why do you even do this?

Modifié par Hausner85, 30 janvier 2013 - 09:20 .

[Kittstalkur]

I guess it must be cheating to use my Batarian Vanguard's biotic charge, heavy melee, and blade armor to become immune to damage and tank everything, as well. I mean, it's obviously not intended for one player to be able to take fire from two Atlases and four Phantoms and expect to live.

[stysiaq]

Wow, I never thought about it, or utilised it properly. Just regular reload cancelling.

Anyway, I don't get all the hostility against GallowsPole. He is, after all, some kind of Pole.

[Oggy666]

I am ok with reload canceling...the animation just should end a split second after the magazine/bullet is in (problem is with animation not canceling it, intended or not the rest of animation should not be there, so RCing it is ok).

Power canceling is ok (the same as above), but skipping whole reloading process with power should not be possible (however I do it mostly unintentionally - e.g. that flamer).

But pizza? How is droping the bag 50 times on ground and picking it up while running ok?
This is obviously unintended/bug/whatever. Also that bag should be much bigger to justify inability to run with it. Player should be unable to run, but the walking speed should a lot faster than it is.

In the end, these are not big issues...but would be good to fix skipping reloads and pizza run.

Modifié par Oggy666, 30 janvier 2013 - 09:40 .