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[Dr Bawbag]

I fully appreciate that The Stone Prisoner initially comes free with every new DA game, but why has it been obscenely priced for those people that decide to buy the game second hand?  Or maybe it's as obvious as heavily penalising those people that decide to buy the game 2nd hand, i dunno.

If purchased 2nd hand, anyone who decides to fork out the 1200 pts required for such a small DLC needs their head eximaned.  Hell, it's not even worth 800pts!

Modifié par Dr Bawbag, 09 janvier 2010 - 11:20 .

[kalniel]

I didn't find it small at all - there was tons of content.

But as with all these things, if you don't think it's worth the money you don't have to buy it

Modifié par kalniel, 09 janvier 2010 - 11:24 .

[cmjrees]

It's become unfashionable lately for games companies to not complain at reselling. Just be thankful you can resell it at all!

[Dr Bawbag]

@ kalniel - Huh? Take your time and you're lucky to get an hour and a half. 1200 points is a rip off when you look at some other DLC. Whether you like Shivering Isles or not, it being the prime example. In fact, i fail to see how anyone can seriously think 1200 for the aforementioned DLC is good value. Soldiers peak is every bit as long, yet that is considerably cheaper.

Modifié par Dr Bawbag, 09 janvier 2010 - 11:28 .

[Torias]

Shale is usable throughout the entire game, which takes some people over 60 hours to complete... that includes lots of voice over content...

[kalniel]

Dr Bawbag wrote...

@ kalniel - Huh? Take your time and you're lucky to get an hour and a half. 1200 points is a rip off when you look at some other DLC. Whether you like Shivering Isles or not, it being the prime example. In fact, i fail to see how anyone can seriously think 1200 for the aforementioned DLC is good value. Soldiers peak is every bit as long, yet that is considerably cheaper.

What? For me I had relevant conversations happening with Shale throughout the whole campaign, not just an hour and a half's worth.

Do you get an NPC with recorded dialogue and interactions throughout the whole game with Soldiers peak?

[ToJKa1]

It has more content that it initially seems to have. There is the initial quest, later another about as long quest, and you get a unique companion with unique skills and equipment, not only that, but new conversations have been added to many cutscenes all over the game.

Bah, i sound like a salesman

[Dr Bawbag]

Why ask a question when you already know the answer? Ok, look at it another way why would anyone want to pay 600 pts for an extra companion (shale)? It's insane ffs! She's not even the most interesting/useful character in the game.

Modifié par Dr Bawbag, 09 janvier 2010 - 11:35 .

[Must have name]

To penalise second hand buyers, that's the primary reason.
That, and it's got a lot more content than say Warden's Keep has.

Modifié par Must have name, 09 janvier 2010 - 11:38 .

[Yozaro]

Dr Bawbag wrote...

Why ask a question when you already know the answer? Ok, look at it another way why would anyone want to pay 600 pts for an extra companion (shale)? It's insane ffs! She's not even the most interesting/useful character in the game.

For Shale to be interesting... That's just your opinion. I don't find Wynne interesting at all, yet some people like her. Just a matter of taste.

For Shale to be useful... Do you mean you should get a god mode companion with 600 points? I don't find Alistair that useful but still he's one of the best characters in the game IMO. I usually keep him in the party just for the dialogue and the fact that he's a Grey Warden.

[kasanza]

The DLC so far does seem pricey, but I suppose that's subjective. If you look at it from time added precentage-wise in comparison to the base instalation, then yes it's expensive. But both DLC add unique items and utility to the game, so they may be worthy of your money afterall. I'm starting to wonder if the new $5 DLC will be worthwhile or if I should just wait for the $40 expansion.

[Finiffa]

Bioware has no benefit at all from 2nd hand buyers, so this is the only way they are able to make some money from the 2nd hand market. Can't blame them for trying, they are a business, and if you think its not worth it....don't buy it...

[Dr Bawbag]

Must have name wrote...

and it's got a lot more content than say Warden's Keep has.

Then going by that reasoning extra content, extra character et al, then the expansion would have been in the region of £60 (not $) as to reflect the fact a whole bunch of new characters have been added along with tons more dialogue.  If you're gonna use the content to price ratio, then even by Biowares' own pricing policy, it's obscenely overpriced

[Dr Bawbag]

Yozaro wrote...

Dr Bawbag wrote...

Why ask a question when you already know the answer? Ok, look at it another way why would anyone want to pay 600 pts for an extra companion (shale)? It's insane ffs! She's not even the most interesting/useful character in the game.

For Shale to be interesting... That's just your opinion. I don't find Wynne interesting at all, yet some people like her. Just a matter of taste.

For Shale to be useful... Do you mean you should get a god mode companion with 600 points? I don't find Alistair that useful but still he's one of the best characters in the game IMO. I usually keep him in the party just for the dialogue and the fact that he's a Grey Warden.

Of course it's only my opinion, i never once insinuated otherwise.

God mode?  I think you're completely missing my point if that's the conclusion you have arrived at.  I think no companion is or would be worth 600 points. 

[Torias]

Because it comes free with actual copies of the game.



If you don't buy a copy from Bioware, then they use this as an option to get actually get some money from you.



They spent a lot of money building this game, and people who buy the game second hand don't contribute anything towards paying for those expenses. Shale is a way they can contribute to helping Bioware actually make a profit on Dragon Age.



If you don't want to spend $15 on Shale you have two options:

1) Don't buy it.

2) Buy the game from Bioware (so that Bioware earns money to cover their expenses) rather than buying a 2nd hand version (which contributes nothing to the profitability of the game and decreases the chance of awesome-tastic sequels).

[Dr Bawbag]

Torias wrote...

Because it comes free with actual copies of the game.

If you don't buy a copy from Bioware, then they use this as an option to get actually get some money from you.

They spent a lot of money building this game, and people who buy the game second hand don't contribute anything towards paying for those expenses. Shale is a way they can contribute to helping Bioware actually make a profit on Dragon Age.

If you don't want to spend $15 on Shale you have two options:
1) Don't buy it.
2) Buy the game from Bioware (so that Bioware earns money to cover their expenses) rather than buying a 2nd hand version (which contributes nothing to the profitability of the game and decreases the chance of awesome-tastic sequels).

The second reason i can fully accept, people trying to justify the content to price ratio, i can't.

[Dr Bawbag]

Bio-Boy 3000 wrote...

You are trying to account physical time played when the pricing of DLC created by Bioware is determined by the content within, regardless of what that content.. Whether or not that equates out to this rather pointless and arbitrary system of people have made up here (dollars to hours value), that is a matter of personal opinion.

Again, i agree, but it's difficult to believe the actual content contained within this DLC is worth more than the likes of Broken Steel (FO3) et al.  I'm not saying everyone that has played both SI and broken Steel found them to their taste, i'm merely using them as examples.

[kalniel]

Dr Bawbag wrote...


The second reason i can fully accept, people trying to justify the content to price ratio, i can't.

Value is subjective. You're saying that in your opinion there's not enough content for the price. That's fine, but I'm saying that in my opinion there is enough content for the price. Compared with the likes of horse armour, the pitt, operation:anchorage, paying for changing character name, gender etc etc. I think the Stone Prisoner is a good example of DLC that is worth the money.

The experts at Bioware must also think that there are enough out there that agree with my opinion, or they would never issue it for sale, with the associated costs to them for doing so.

Modifié par kalniel, 09 janvier 2010 - 01:28 .

[Dr Bawbag]

The experts at Bioware? Just because a manufacturer puts a price on a product doesn't mean it's value for money, or have i taken what you wrote out of context? If so, I apologise.



Funny you should mention OP anchorage as it's a fairer comparison. Both DLC are very linear, same amount of time taken to complete each story and so forth - and therein lies my point - one is priced at 800pts and the other at 1200 pts. this is assuming both DLCs aren't roadrunnered and played in the spirit in which they were indented to be played.



All that aside, there's no getting away from the fact that digital DLC is a cash cow for devs and publishers alike. No shipping costs are involved, no pressing costs, no retailer getting a wedge of the profit (maybe that's debatable as I'm not sure what the microsoft/sony v retailer cost are) and no packaging costs. Yet all this considered, digital DLC is still massively more expensive than buying DLC packs on the high street.

[Sloth Of Doom]

The Stone Prisne is (IMHO) one fo the best DLCs for any game I have seen.



Operation Anchorage is the second worst next to horse armour.



I see you trollin.

[Viglin]

Dr Bawbag wrote...



All that aside, there's no getting away from the fact that digital DLC is a cash cow for devs and publishers alike. No shipping costs are involved, no pressing costs, no retailer getting a wedge of the profit (maybe that's debatable as I'm not sure what the microsoft/sony v retailer cost are) and no packaging costs. Yet all this considered, digital DLC is still massively more expensive than buying DLC packs on the high street.

You forgot to list the bonues's to the customer as well;
-No shipping and handling costs
-No waiting days, even weeks...unless your willing to pay more for quicker delievery
-No having to worry if it even gets delievered to you
-No having to go to the store[which can include travel exspense], traffic, bad weather, hoping the store has it, dealing with lines and salespeople, etc etc

To me, it seems a win win for both sides...and in the end, its 100% upto the customer if they wish to pay.

[Dr Bawbag]

Because i don't share your opinion i'm suddenly trolling? Using your logic, wouldn't that make you a troll too?



Of course you think it's one of the best DLC you've played, after all, you've taken the time out to post on these forums. Like someone else said in a previous post, it's all subjective and to make my point clearer, it's not about whether you enjoyed a certain DLC or not, it's about the amount of content contained within the given DLC.