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[StElmo]

I was just recently looking over old BSN posts/youtube comments/reddit comments/ other forum posts of mine and was shocked to see how sensationalist and mean spirited the way I wrote came accross.

Obviously I never meant anything personal by what I have written, ad hominem has never been my thing, nor is it good for anyones soul - but the impassioned way I wrote, clearly swept up in the whole antagonistic community culture, defintely comes accross as mean spirited and or snarky and or "shouty" - towards a team that gave me some of my most memorable gaming experiences - this seems wrong to me.

So I would just like to straight up apologize to any staff who may have seen my posts and took it personally or were given grief by the culture I have contributed to :S

The other interesting thing is I liked ME3 a lot when I finished it, but the negativity and snarkyness seemed to come out as I got more and more sucked in to finding faults on the BSN.

This was incredibly interesting as it seems like my criticisms raised with the negative attitude of others, almost like a feedback loop :S

Obviously I have criticisms of any game I play - even my favorite games, but the tone seems off in hindsight, particularly given my reaction declined the longer I spent in these forums.

After some self critical and constructive thought I actually don't have this animosity or sillyness in me, I don't think, but I would just like to apologize for not helping with the atmosphere on the forums last year.

Mass Effect is a great bit of escapism and their are worse things in the world than to be finding fault with a game - a peice of entertainment.

The thought mostly crossed my mind when I saw EA CEO sitting next to Joe Biden - my two minds collided and realized, why do I care if an entertainment company doesn't do 'exactly' as I see fit? I should be putting this energy towards corrupt and malignant governments - Obama sends drones off the pakistan for gods sake, yet I give BioWare more of my time? just a bunch of guys and gals trying to entertain me

So yeah, big apologies to you guys, those old posts of mine were terrible,

ME3 is a great bit of entertainment and I had a great time playing it, I'm really sorry I got sucked into a bandwagon.

Good luck with your future projects.

Oh and if I feel this way? I'm willing to be other people feel like me now too

EDIT2: if it's any consolation I tried to go back and delete many of my posts from around the net which I thought were mean spirited, but if I missed any and you see them, I'm sorry ): I have different usernames around the internet so it was hard to find stuff, but yeah, wow, I was a jerk at some points there ):

Modifié par StElmo, 31 janvier 2013 - 02:06 .

[Haargel]

That's very polite of you.

I didn't like the original endings but seeing people want to have staff fired or even wishing them certain pain was way out of line.

Imagine a hardworking employee with a mortgage, wife/husband and a few little children getting fired. Community complained, you're fired (not that it would happen)

Immoral and unethical.

Don't know what you have said but cheers for you !

[Alien Number Six]

I think that the ending hatred on BSN is very unhealthy for many of those who post ending hate threads over and over. Some continue to lose their minds a year later. I thought the endings were a bit short but BioWare fixed that with the extended cut. I liked the end because it made you think and you would not get out without sacrifice.

[Veganterror]

Faith in humanity on BSN now improved.

[AchesOfDoom]

Haargel wrote...

That's very polite of you.

I didn't like the original endings but seeing people want to have staff fired or even wishing them certain pain was way out of line.

Imagine a hardworking employee with a mortgage, wife/husband and a few little children getting fired. Community complained, you're fired (not that it would happen)

Immoral and unethical.

Don't know what you have said but cheers for you !

It had to be us. Someone else may have gotten it wrong.
Bioware, thank you for your time making ME3. Even though the ending was a bit 'rough', still I love ME franchise.

I'm sorry too.

Modifié par AchesOfDoom, 30 janvier 2013 - 01:19 .

[StElmo]

Haargel wrote...

That's very polite of you.

I didn't like the original endings but seeing people want to have staff fired or even wishing them certain pain was way out of line.

Imagine a hardworking employee with a mortgage, wife/husband and a few little children getting fired. Community complained, you're fired (not that it would happen)

Immoral and unethical.

Don't know what you have said but cheers for you !

Well! I never said anything like that thank god! I'd like to think even I can't be THAT awful

): Social Networking makes people more awful I find ):

[SimonTheFrog]

I once wrote somewhere here that ME3 lacks replay value other than going through twice (one paragon and one renegade) whereas the previous games offered more variations.

This is nonsense considering the variations that exist with dead squad-mates from earlier games and with unpleasant outcomes due to low "charming" meter.

My perspective was limited due to the fact that i only have "completionist" save games with everyone alive from ME2.

I'm sorry for writing that. It actually haunted me a bit

[GimmeDaGun]

Very nice, very nice indeed.

[spirosz]

The thing is, I'll give credit to Bioware where I feel these deserve it and I won't hesitate to call them out on certain actions, but anyway - as much as I dislike ME3, it wasn't a bad game, it was great, just not for me, personally and I do wish them luck with future products. I just feel like I'm not their target audience, which is fine, can't please everyone and they have to get out of the mindset of trying to.

[StElmo]

I didn't like my tone and was not being a reasonable enough person IMHO.

[mcgreggers99]

Ya know...It's posts like this that make me think that BSN is SLLLLLOOOOOWWWLLLYYY coming around to being the enjoyable discussion forum it used to be way back in the day. The anger over DA2 and ME3 fundamentally changed the posture and attitude on these boards.

I have said all along that there has been way too much pointed anger directed at the devs and posts like this might inspire others to do a gut check and look in the mirror. Bioware's PR department has hopefully learned from the last 12 months, but either way thanks for the humility StElmo. Others could learn from your example.

[AlexMBrennan]

why do I care if an entertainment company doesn't do 'exactly' as I see fit?

Because customers are legally entitled to a product that matches the description and is fit for purpose.
The fact that there are bigger problems out there doesn't change the law (Sale Of Goods Act), and Bioware getting away on a technically (developer interviews not constituting a legally binding product description) doesn't make me feel better about being tricked into a purchase I would not otherwise have made.

just a bunch of guys and gals trying to entertain me

By and large, sure. But how exactly was Mac Walters trying to entertain you by lying about the impact of the Rachni on the story one week prior to the release of the game?

How is Bioware entertaining us by keeping the random MP unlock system rather than allowing us to pick weapons to unlock (one of the most requested things in the demo iirc)? Could that be because random rewards work much better in operant conditioning and they are really just trying to squeeze as much money out of you as they can? Of corse they are - it's what businesses do.

ad-hominem

Asking for the resignation of the people in charge is not an ad-hominem but a unfortunately necessary deterrent: If we send the industry the message that we are fine with being lied to then we will never see another honest demo, interview or trailer again, which would do much more harm in the long run than the loss of talented people today.

[Sith Reaper]

 Amazing thread. I literally have never seen a thread like this before. Thanks for posting, StElmo--I am sure the entire BioWare team appreciates it. Hopefully this is a sign we can rebuild our community. 

[N7 Shadow 90]

It's great of you to do this, StElmo.

[Morty Smith]

honesty shows itself in endurance.

[Sith Reaper]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

why do I care if an entertainment company doesn't do 'exactly' as I see fit?

Because customers are legally entitled to a product that matches the description and is fit for purpose.
The fact that there are bigger problems out there doesn't change the law (Sale Of Goods Act), and Bioware getting away on a technically (developer interviews not constituting a legally binding product description) doesn't make me feel better about being tricked into a purchase I would not otherwise have made.

just a bunch of guys and gals trying to entertain me

By and large, sure. But how exactly was Mac Walters trying to entertain you by lying about the impact of the Rachni on the story one week prior to the release of the game?

How is Bioware entertaining us by keeping the random MP unlock system rather than allowing us to pick weapons to unlock (one of the most requested things in the demo iirc)? Could that be because random rewards work much better in operant conditioning and they are really just trying to squeeze as much money out of you as they can? Of corse they are - it's what businesses do.

ad-hominem

Asking for the resignation of the people in charge is not an ad-hominem but a unfortunately necessary deterrent: If we send the industry the message that we are fine with being lied to then we will never see another honest demo, interview or trailer again, which would do much more harm in the long run than the loss of talented people today.

Please let it go. You know just as well as I do that to fulfill a game that depicts every choice across three games in a major branching path would take many more years to develop than what they had been allotted for. I am sure you of all people don't think EA would've allowed that to happen, right? I mean, judging from Twitter feeds alone, much of the Mass Effect team worked overtime in the many months leading up into release. There is literally no way BioWare could've fulfilled every choice to be realized in a way that could have had as far ranging consequences as you expect of them. It's simply unfeasible. 

Look, I hate corporate tyranny as much as the next guy. I really do. But berating BioWare's employees, the guys who work overnight at the office to push out a game, is not the way to go. You honestly think antagonizing BioWare's workers is going to change the corporate system? Because disagreeing with this post apologizing to BioWare for personal attacks made against them makes me think that you believe you are justified to treat the people working at BioWare this way. I have trouble understanding how these guys put up with it--imagine putting in years of work to see your own fans insult you and treat you in such a manner.

Grow up. There are other ways to continue your crusade--insulting the employees who often are working with time constraints and requests from the publisher is not the way to go. There are bigger fish to fry.

Modifié par Sith Reaper, 30 janvier 2013 - 03:39 .

[Clayless]

I do think I clashed with you at a few stages in the past Elmo. It's good to see you realised how irrational some of your posts came across.

Apologising like this is probably one of the best things I've seen someone do this year.

[Ninja Stan]

simfamSP wrote...

I absolutely *HATED* DA2, until I came back to it and spent 55 hours on it. Now I love the blood thing, even though it's a rushed and unfinished train-wreck of a game xD

Keep being awesome! Constructive criticism and level-headed hate FTW!

Thanks, simfamSP. I can't agree with this enough. It is absolutely possible to love something while acknowledging its flaws, just as it's possible to really dislike something while acknowledging its good parts. It doesn't always have to be "IT'S THE BEST EVAR" or "IT'S THE WORST EVAR", despite what the internet tells you.

[RocketManSR2]

I also apologize for any harsh things I might have said to BioWare. I'm still unhappy with the ending to the trilogy and always will be (barring a miracle), but at least I can play ME again without becoming depressed. I do not like sacrificial endings to stories.

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 30 janvier 2013 - 07:19 .

[Alien Number Six]

Snake91 wrote...

Wait wait wait the ending still sucks that with breathing scene is like a cut with scissors and you Apologies for what because Bioware disrespect you because Bioware ignores you because they lies you why you Apologies

This is the type of garbage that is too often seen on BSN.

[Morty Smith]

Alien Number Six wrote...

Snake91 wrote...

Wait wait wait the ending still sucks that with breathing scene is like a cut with scissors and you Apologies for what because Bioware disrespect you because Bioware ignores you because they lies you why you Apologies

This is the type of garbage that is too often seen on BSN.

How did you decipher it? Are you a prothean?