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[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

I'm always interested to see that people seem to hate the Catalyst and yet seem to be desperately dependent on everything he says.

wat? 

[billy the squid]

Dobbysaurus wrote...

What Intelligence?

Ohhh, you mean the The Kid or Space Brat.

I have the reason the dinosaurs went extinct!

[BirdsallSa]

3DandBeyond wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

He is not a prophet. He has been around for eons and has a plethora of evidence to back up his claims. You aren't qualified to tell us the sun will die out. He is qualified to state there will always be conflict between synthetics and organics, because that was the purpose he was built for! He has one mandate, to protect organic life at any cost. He has done just that.

Synthesis isn't magic. It creates a new framework for life. Not DNA in the sense of the makeup of your bodies, but the makeup of life. How we perceive things and understand them. That's not magic, that's science. That's not obsurd, that's beautiful.

I am just as qualified to say the sun will die out as he is to foretell the future.  He can no more predict winning lotto numbers than he can predict that a certain conflict will inevitably lead to anything.  He has no evidence to support his claim because he is claiming something that has never happened will eventually happen.  Evidence is provided for proof.  You cannot prove that something will happen that has never happened.  I can support my claim based upon scientific evidence and what is known about the lives of stars.  He supports his claim based upon a certain example and one that he helped to further.  He, the created, rebelled against his creators.   That would be like me saying the sun will inevitably die and then working on something to make it happen.

He was built to solve a specific problem.  And the core of this is that he was built.  He is not perfect and cannot adapt using the full capabilities that organics do possess.  He cannot act out of love for the future of his race.  He can't compromise and he doesn't.  He can't judge the value of someone's actions in defying something he only ever sees as inevitable.  He can't do anything that keeps the inevitable from happening or it is no longer inevitable.

And yes, as shown synthesis is magic, surreal and it does create a new DNA, the cutscenes show that.  The tech is adhering to DNA coding, and changing genetic makeup.  The kid says it is basically to reach the pinnacle of evolution.  And you have to understand why.  Evolution is randomness-it works by trying some new thing to try and solve a problem.  If that doesn't work, it tries something else.  It's chaos.  The kid is seeking order.  Synthetics represent order.  His view is about order.  He wants to stop evolution and implement order.  Synthesis as shown has nothing to do with life (not anything that makes life worthwhile) or science.  It's smoke and mirrors, a real magician's toolkit.

He is perfect at his job, preserving organics, and that's what counts. He's not predicting lottery numbers, he's telling the facts of life. He explains this very clearly. Organics must create synthetics to exceed their limitations. However, synthetics must evolve past their creators in order to help them. This is where the conflict starts. It's not rocket science, it's simplicity itself. We're not talking about magic here, we're talking about a solution, synthesis.

[Anthadlas]

BD Manchild wrote...

I just prefer to call him "Smeghead".

Win

[billy the squid]

BirdsallSa wrote...

He is not some human child he is the Intelligence for crying out loud. He was built eons ago by those who recognized there would always be conflict between organics and synthetics. If it weren't for him humanity would have never existed. In fact, no organics would exist at all! He is the most knowledgable being in the galaxy and it's largely due to him that we're given the privelage of choosing Synthesis.
 
A lot of people try to dismiss his credibility by calling him "the kid" when he only appeared like that so he would be non-threatening to Shepard. This symbolizes that he was never interested in war, but finding a peaceful solution that works for everyone.

PLF

Oh yes, and make me Space brat.

[Tomwew]

BD Manchild wrote...

I just prefer to call him "Smeghead".

incredibly the catalyst makes HOLLY look like a genius, and he's a parody of stupid A.I's

[Steelcan]

The various name are the result of his ill execution and nonsensical babble.m. He not only looks like a child, he reasons like one.

Starbrat he remains

[Benchpress610]

BirdsallSa wrote...

He is not some human child he is the Intelligence for crying out loud. He was built eons ago by those who recognized there would always be conflict between organics and synthetics. If it weren't for him humanity would have never existed. In fact, no organics would exist at all! He is the most knowledgable being in the galaxy and it's largely due to him that we're given the privelage of choosing Synthesis.
 
A lot of people try to dismiss his credibility by calling him "the kid" when he only appeared like that so he would be non-threatening to Shepard. This symbolizes that he was never interested in war, but finding a peaceful solution that works for everyone.

PLF

You’re absolutely right, he is not some human child, he is a Deus Ex Machina for crying out loud. He was built a couple of years ago by those who realized there wasn’t enough time to finish the game by the deadline imposed by EA and recognized there was too much material and content to cram into one game. If it wasn’t for him, humanity would’ve experienced a more peaceful 2012. In fact, no controversy would’ve existed at all. He is the most despicable being in the galaxy conceived in the minds of Walters/Hudson, and is largely due to him Mass Effect 3 will be remembered as the biggest disaster in video gaming history.

[David7204]

I have seen plenty of people who rant about how stupid the Catalyst is, how bad his 'logic' is, how much they hate him, blah blah blah...and then they go right on and use that very same 'logic' to defend some point or another.

[nightcobra]

i personally like to call him...target

[Tomwew]

Benchpress610 wrote...

 Mass Effect 3 will be remembered as the biggest disaster in video gaming history.

one of the biggest dissapointments maybe but  don't exaggerate have you ever played superman 64?
*drell style flashbacks*

[DeinonSlayer]

David7204 wrote...

I have seen plenty of people who rant about how stupid the Catalyst is, how bad his 'logic' is, how much they hate him, blah blah blah...and then they go right on and use that very same 'logic' to defend some point or another.

We have little choice but to react to what's put in front of us, no matter how stupid it is. Warden Kuril found that out the hard way.

[Ticonderoga117]

I'll call him whatever I want. He's a narrative cancer in the body of Mass Effect. He deserves no respect. He deserves nothing. I react better to the rock that disappears from Shepard's hand on Rannoch than this turd.

[3DandBeyond]

AresKeith wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I'm always interested to see that people seem to hate the Catalyst and yet seem to be desperately dependent on everything he says.

wat? 

Yeah.

People that don't like him aren't dependent upon what he says, they reference what he says in order to show how messed up he is.  People that support the kid seemingly either believe all that he says or they don't think it's that important (a real head scratcher).  People that dislike him, think what he says is moronic and prove he's flawed.  In order to show that he is, you have to quote the things he says.  I have yet to have one person who likes the kid be able to prove that he's credible-would be credible to Shepard.  In order to do so, they must use what he says because no other proof exists.

I can use the game to prove the kid is not credible, but his words should have meaning to those who love him.  If not, then he's even less credible.  In order to show concretely how flawed he is you can in part use what he says as proof.

[BirdsallSa]

Benchpress610 wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

He is not some human child he is the Intelligence for crying out loud. He was built eons ago by those who recognized there would always be conflict between organics and synthetics. If it weren't for him humanity would have never existed. In fact, no organics would exist at all! He is the most knowledgable being in the galaxy and it's largely due to him that we're given the privelage of choosing Synthesis.
 
A lot of people try to dismiss his credibility by calling him "the kid" when he only appeared like that so he would be non-threatening to Shepard. This symbolizes that he was never interested in war, but finding a peaceful solution that works for everyone.

PLF

You’re absolutely right, he is not some human child, he is a Deus Ex Machina for crying out loud. He was built a couple of years ago by those who realized there wasn’t enough time to finish the game by the deadline imposed by EA and recognized there was too much material and content to cram into one game. If it wasn’t for him, humanity would’ve experienced a more peaceful 2012. In fact, no controversy would’ve existed at all. He is the most despicable being in the galaxy conceived in the minds of Walters/Hudson, and is largely due to him Mass Effect 3 will be remembered as the biggest disaster in video gaming history.

Where you see a disaster. Me and the majority of the people who played Mass Effect 3 see the pinnacle of rpg gaming. This controversy you speak of is only caused by entitled whiners who want the finer points of a story spoonfed to them. The revolutionaries in the synthesis support thread, control support thread, and especially the triple synthesis thread will speak to that.

[bleetman]

I call it like I see it.

'The Intelligence' implies anything it did was intelligent. Pass.

[dorktainian]

mass murderer

The Great Deceiver

[wright1978]

Nope space brat is an extremely badly implemented/poorly conceived plot device. It deserves more mocking nicknames not less.

[KingWrex]

Kel Riever wrote...

Do you mean this starbrat right here? *slaps the starbrat*

This isn't human? *slaps the starbrat again*

Why do you think I'm slapping it? Do you think I would really slap a human child *slaps the starbrat again*

Oh, so you don't want me to call it starbrat? *slaps the starbrat again*

Okay, so I will call it a 'Glowjob' like someone mentioned *slaps the glowjob*

I can see you are already happy. Glad to oblige *slaps the glowjob, kills all the reapers, and no one else dies, including self. Promptly blows up the Citadel without making any other idiotic choices provided by bad writers*

http://fc01.devianta...ack-d5pufyw.bmp

Greatest thing I have seen for a while, I tip my hat to you sir.

[Jere85]

Thanks for your assesment, i respectully decline.
To me he will allways be known as the ridiculous starchild.

[David7204]

Why exactly do people act as if declaring the Catalyst is not credible is some kind of accomplishment?

He's the antagonist of the series. He killed trillions of people. Of course he isn't credible.

[Anthadlas]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Benchpress610 wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

He is not some human child he is the Intelligence for crying out loud. He was built eons ago by those who recognized there would always be conflict between organics and synthetics. If it weren't for him humanity would have never existed. In fact, no organics would exist at all! He is the most knowledgable being in the galaxy and it's largely due to him that we're given the privelage of choosing Synthesis.
 
A lot of people try to dismiss his credibility by calling him "the kid" when he only appeared like that so he would be non-threatening to Shepard. This symbolizes that he was never interested in war, but finding a peaceful solution that works for everyone.

PLF

You’re absolutely right, he is not some human child, he is a Deus Ex Machina for crying out loud. He was built a couple of years ago by those who realized there wasn’t enough time to finish the game by the deadline imposed by EA and recognized there was too much material and content to cram into one game. If it wasn’t for him, humanity would’ve experienced a more peaceful 2012. In fact, no controversy would’ve existed at all. He is the most despicable being in the galaxy conceived in the minds of Walters/Hudson, and is largely due to him Mass Effect 3 will be remembered as the biggest disaster in video gaming history.

Where you see a disaster. Me and the majority of the people who played Mass Effect 3 see the pinnacle of rpg gaming..

Speak for yourself, you aren't in the majority

[Tomwew]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Where you see a disaster. Me and the majority of the people who played Mass Effect 3 see the pinnacle of rpg gaming. This controversy you speak of is only caused by entitled whiners who want the finer points of a story spoonfed to them. The revolutionaries in the synthesis support thread, control support thread, and especially the triple synthesis thread will speak to that.

ha you're dedicated to this sarcasm, as a one dr. percival cox said, comedy is all about your ability to commit. C.O.MM.I.T.TT.TTTT.TTTTT.........T

Modifié par Tomwew, 30 janvier 2013 - 08:51 .