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[Auld Wulf]

@OP

I guess that would be handy, if you really need it.

Though I'm actually really depressed that you do feel you need it. It's kind of like asking any great author to put up a Youtube video to explain any purposefully ambiguous plot element, or metaphor, or subjective viewpoint. It's kind of like saying "Hey, Bram Stoker, you should put up a video explaining all of the rambly, vague points in Dracula that just went riiiight over my head!" with a straight face.

Sigh.

[Ticonderoga117]

hallidio wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...
No. Stop twisting what he's getting at....are you trolling or do you just lack common sense?

What he's saying is that people are alright with speculation anywhere else. Such as Inception. But if there's speculation in Mass Effect, people (such as yourselves) say its a bad thing.

Thank you. I was beginning to lose hope in the worlds common sense

Speculation in Inception served the plot. Is it a dream?

What purpose does speculation serve in Mass Effect?

[Mcfly616]

hallidio wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

hallidio wrote...

Oi Christopher Nolan, does it stop spinning? I paid money to see your film, I demand an answer, wtf is speculation. <insert crying here>

Wait, are you actually comparing the quality of Inception, in terms of the writing quality, to that of Mass Effect? 

Especially since that's a valid concern on a movie that's based on "What is reality?"

Mass Effect has no shield like that to hide behind.

No. Stop twisting what he's getting at....are you trolling or do you just lack common sense?


What he's saying is that people are alright with speculation anywhere else. Such as Inception. But if there's speculation in Mass Effect, people (such as yourselves) say its a bad thing.

Thank you. I was beginning to lose hope in the worlds common sense

yeah. People are "smart".


No, really.....Don't lose hope though. Just abandon it all together. The few people left with common sense will die out at some point, and the human race will eventually devolve back into caves.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...
Speculation in Inception served the plot. Is it a dream?

What purpose does speculation serve in Mass Effect?

It serves the "we couldn't possibly account for every variable we tried to implament so we intentionally left things vague so we wouldn't have to try to and shifted the responsibility onto the audiance" purpose.

Now if you excuse me I need to find a toilet, the above egotism is making me nauseous.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 31 janvier 2013 - 03:07 .

[Siegdrifa]

IMO for Bioware sake, it would be a very bad idea.
The ashes are warm and any blow from Bioware would just make the fire burn again.

Bioware provided clarity with EC, i don't think they should or need to explain more the same concept.

[chidingewe8036]

Ninja Stan wrote...

If this thread turns into yet another ending discussion, it will be locked. There are already plenty of threads discussing the endings in general.

you know what guys I appreciate all your responses but if bioware wants to lock this thread go right ahead. I want the BSN to drown in ending talk they must realize that this is all that matters right now not random DLC, not squadmates, not "what do you want to see in ME4", no THE ENDINGS it will haunt them and the fans every time a mass effect title hits the shelf It ain't goin away until they do something meaningful the EC was simply more of what was already there.

We are done with the endings, we are done with the endings, ok fine but they made their beds.

Ok I am done lock the thread ban me I don't give a blank I can watch the fall from afar.

[abch4]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

hallidio wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...
No. Stop twisting what he's getting at....are you trolling or do you just lack common sense?

What he's saying is that people are alright with speculation anywhere else. Such as Inception. But if there's speculation in Mass Effect, people (such as yourselves) say its a bad thing.

Thank you. I was beginning to lose hope in the worlds common sense

Speculation in Inception served the plot. Is it a dream?

What purpose does speculation serve in Mass Effect?

Valid point. One could argue it serves the purpose of unknowing whether She is indeed indoctrinated.


However that wasn't my point. My point was to highlight the entitlement of people expecting answers from BW.

[TheRealJayDee]

hallidio wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

hallidio wrote...

Oi Christopher Nolan, does it stop spinning? I paid money to see your film, I demand an answer, wtf is speculation. <insert crying here>

Wait, are you actually comparing the quality of Inception, in terms of the writing quality, to that of Mass Effect? 

Especially since that's a valid concern on a movie that's based on "What is reality?"

Mass Effect has no shield like that to hide behind.

No. Stop twisting what he's getting at....are you trolling or do you just lack common sense?


What he's saying is that people are alright with speculation anywhere else. Such as Inception. But if there's speculation in Mass Effect, people (such as yourselves) say its a bad thing.

Thank you. I was beginning to lose hope in the worlds common sense

1. I found myself rather disappointed by Inception and consider Nolan to be slightly overrated (except TDKR, it's not funny just how ovverrated that movie is - sorry fans ^^). actually, this is totally irrelevant and off-topic

You guys really don't see any reason for people to react differently to an ambigous ending in a self-contained movie about dreams and reality, and a 90+ hour video game trilogy that has always been pretty unambiguous?

Serious question.

Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 31 janvier 2013 - 03:15 .

[FlyinElk212]

What's there to explain?

The ending's idea is stupid, but they've thoroughly explained their stupid idea. Asking them to explain is like asking someone to explain why Jersey Shore is a show.

[Meltemph]

You seem too inerudite to grasp it, so I won't explain it.

And no, he explained what he intended the audience to feel or experience with the ending... Speculation. Much like what Bioware have said

Huh? He did more then that: http://www.wired.com...tion_nolan/all/

He talked about the movie as a whole and also talked about the ending. Niothing wrong with doing that.

It's kind of like asking any great author to put up a Youtube video to explain any purposefully ambiguous plot element, or metaphor, or subjective viewpoint. It's kind of like saying "Hey, Bram Stoker, you should put up a video explaining all of the rambly, vague points in Dracula that just went riiiight over my head!" with a straight face.

Sigh.

Not everyone is as easily impressed nor is everyone as obsessed with their own headcanon as others. Either way, them explaining the direction or mentality behind decisions is not the same thing as telling us the meaning behind the endings.

Still though, I would say if you are willing to be "depressed" over someone needing to be explained the endings... By that token I could easily be disappointed with how easily people are satisfied with fairly shallow/basic/ignorant concepts of complex idea's.

See what I mean? Quite easy to pull the "you just dont get it" card. While it isnt that hard to understand where they were trying to go with the ending, it doesnt make a difference in terms of the request.

You seem too inerudite to grasp it, so I won't explain it.

Either that or I'm purposely pointing out why your point was so badly worded, while feigning ignorance? Nah, that isn't it, clearly I just couldn't understand your remark.

Modifié par Meltemph, 31 janvier 2013 - 03:25 .

[Kataphrut94]

What is there to explain? It's science fiction, anything they put out would just be technobabble, same as always.

It's actually not that incoherent nowadays anyway - Shepard docks Crucible, meets Catalyst, Catalyst tells him what's what, Shepard makes a choice and the Crucible sorts things out. Reapers stop reaping, everybody lives, Normandy flies off into the sunset.

Modifié par Kataphrut94, 31 janvier 2013 - 03:15 .

[Dunabar]

chidingewe8036 wrote...
you know what guys I appreciate all your responses but if bioware wants to lock this thread go right ahead. I want the BSN to drown in ending talk they must realize that this is all that matters right now not random DLC, not squadmates, not "what do you want to see in ME4", no THE ENDINGS it will haunt them and the fans every time a mass effect title hits the shelf It ain't goin away until they do something meaningful the EC was simply more of what was already there.

We are done with the endings, we are done with the endings, ok fine but they made their beds.

Ok I am done lock the thread ban me I don't give a blank I can watch the fall from afar.

Just wow...thats all that can really be said. Well I can say more but that would be below me.

[MegaSovereign]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

If this thread turns into yet another ending discussion, it will be locked. There are already plenty of threads discussing the endings in general.

you know what guys I appreciate all your responses but if bioware wants to lock this thread go right ahead. I want the BSN to drown in ending talk they must realize that this is all that matters right now not random DLC, not squadmates, not "what do you want to see in ME4", no THE ENDINGS it will haunt them and the fans every time a mass effect title hits the shelf It ain't goin away until they do something meaningful the EC was simply more of what was already there.

We are done with the endings, we are done with the endings, ok fine but they made their beds.

Ok I am done lock the thread ban me I don't give a blank I can watch the fall from afar.

A little overdramatic dude. The ending, BSN, your thread: It's really not a big deal.

It wouldn't be ethical for you to get banned when you haven't broken the rules.

[abch4]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

What is there to explain? It's science fiction, anything they put out would just be technobabble, same as always.

It's actually not that incoherent nowadays anyway - Shepard docks Crucible, meets Catalyst, Catalyst tells him what's what, Shepard makes a choice and the Crucible sorts things out. Reapers stop reaping, everybody lives, Normandy flies off into the sunset.

These inconsistencies people are so upset over are merely a mask to cover the "why can't I have any <insert colour here> babies!?". This has been obvious ever since EC was released

[Siegdrifa]

And... like one of my teacher said in art school "if you must explain your art to people to make them understand, then you have failed".

[Meltemph]

What is there to explain?

The why's that can still be asked:

1. Why the direction they went with(not in a this direction was good/bad, but just in general) in terms of ME3

2. What direction did you intend on taking the setting, with this story or did you even plan for a "after ME3" for the MEU.

3. Discussion of direction behind certain/popular scenes in the game.

These sorts of questions, I would think, make an interesting interview/podcast to listen to, regardless of whether you liked the game or not. I actually don't understand why anyone would be against a somewhat detailed breakdown of the mentality and direction of the game in a interview like way.

I think it would be a healthy thing to start doing, seeing as it doesnt seem to hurt books or movies when they do it.

Modifié par Meltemph, 31 janvier 2013 - 03:20 .

[Kataphrut94]

hallidio wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

What is there to explain? It's science fiction, anything they put out would just be technobabble, same as always.

It's actually not that incoherent nowadays anyway - Shepard docks Crucible, meets Catalyst, Catalyst tells him what's what, Shepard makes a choice and the Crucible sorts things out. Reapers stop reaping, everybody lives, Normandy flies off into the sunset.

These inconsistencies people are so upset over are merely a mask to cover the "why can't I have any <insert colour here> babies!?". This has been obvious ever since EC was released

Honestly, people are so picky. You get krogan babies and mutant synthetic babies in Synthesis, what else would you want?

[DirtyPhoenix]

MegaSovereign wrote...

OP's Stage of grief: Bargaining.

You don't actually want "clarification." You want a new ending. It's now starting to sink in that it won't happen, so now you're trying to bargain with Bioware.

Pretty much, lol.

[abch4]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

hallidio wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

What is there to explain? It's science fiction, anything they put out would just be technobabble, same as always.

It's actually not that incoherent nowadays anyway - Shepard docks Crucible, meets Catalyst, Catalyst tells him what's what, Shepard makes a choice and the Crucible sorts things out. Reapers stop reaping, everybody lives, Normandy flies off into the sunset.

These inconsistencies people are so upset over are merely a mask to cover the "why can't I have any <insert colour here> babies!?". This has been obvious ever since EC was released

Honestly, people are so picky. You get krogan babies and mutant synthetic babies in Synthesis, what else would you want?

This is true, you can't ask for more than Wrex Jnr v1.0.4

Modifié par hallidio, 31 janvier 2013 - 03:32 .

[Yate]

Everything that can possibly be said on the endings has already been said. Most people choose not to listen, they prefer to whine that they didn't get their own way.

[Ticonderoga117]

hallidio wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Speculation in Inception served the plot. Is it a dream?

What purpose does speculation serve in Mass Effect?

Valid point. One could argue it serves the purpose of unknowing whether She is indeed indoctrinated.


However that wasn't my point. My point was to highlight the entitlement of people expecting answers from BW.

Well yeah, because this speculation doesn't serve anything other than "We didn't have the time/money/will to fill in those gaps". That doesn't excuse the decision, or any decision. It's a valid criticism. People criticise movie directors all the time and they respond.

BioWare instead just went with the "Shut up, it's art!" route and that's it. No "We did it because we liked it" or "We did it for X Y and Z".

[abch4]

OK if your going to keep missing my point please just PM me . I don't want thread spammed going back and forth over the same thing. Post above you pretty much sums up the entitled brat movement

[Ticonderoga117]

hallidio wrote...

OK if your going to keep missing my point please just PM me . I don't want thread spammed going back and forth over the same thing. Post above you pretty much sums up the entitled brat movement

When something goes off the rails, the consumer has a good point to question "Why?"

It's been done before, what's so hard to get?

[Ticonderoga117]

Yate wrote...

Everything that can possibly be said on the endings has already been said. Most people choose not to listen, they prefer to whine that they didn't get their own way common sense and logic went right out the window.

Fixed that for you, since you know, that's not it.