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[GreyLycanTrope]

hallidio wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

What is there to explain? It's science fiction, anything they put out would just be technobabble, same as always.

It's actually not that incoherent nowadays anyway - Shepard docks Crucible, meets Catalyst, Catalyst tells him what's what, Shepard makes a choice and the Crucible sorts things out. Reapers stop reaping, everybody lives, Normandy flies off into the sunset.

These inconsistencies people are so upset over are merely a mask to cover the "why can't I have any <insert colour here> babies!?". This has been obvious ever since EC was released

Funny I was always more upset because I wanted the Geth to survive Destroy instead of Shepard for sake of narrative coherence, but whatever hyperbole helps feed your superiority complex.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 31 janvier 2013 - 04:02 .

[abch4]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

hallidio wrote...

OK if your going to keep missing my point please just PM me . I don't want thread spammed going back and forth over the same thing. Post above you pretty much sums up the entitled brat movement

When something goes off the rails, the consumer has a good point to question "Why?"

It's been done before, what's so hard to get?

Ohh the injustice! You should've got a refund. BioWare does not owe you or anybody else outside of the company an explanation of their story. Let's just get that clear.

You may question why it was done of course, forums are a good place for discourse on such matters with other fans. But this doesn't mean the dev has to explain jack!

[FlamingBoy]

Its an upward hill battle, but if you keep letting your voice be heard bioware will eventually say something

[fatbastad]

Most criticism from a paying customer is valid. This criticism is a missed opportunity for BioWare and EA. They produced a product that drew a large fan base. They built up this franchise and built up thier fan's expectation for a truly dynamic ending with prior choices having real influence on how the game ends. The gave us Mass Effect 2 and it's wonderful end. Then they gave us Mass Effect 3 and throughout the game you really felt there was some Mass Effect 2 ending in store, but even better. So every War Asset you collected, every decision you are confronted with, built up this exciting anticipation. Fantastic job of building the plot and getting players vested. Then the end just flopped. It was a good concept. But poorly executed. Then the criticism from players flooded in. Thier response is not conducive of a company wanting to retain thier paying customers. "It's Art" doesn't explain anything. This is an opportunity for BioWare and EA to show fans(customers) that if they put out a poor product, they will stand by it and fix it. All they are accomplishing right now is convincing customers to be leery of thier product.

[Galbrant]

Well its either they are hiding something for later, don't care anymore, or they don't have any defense for their endings and they know any explanation in a attempt to defend them will be easily refuted by the fans. Oh and there is the possibility that by saying nothing will leave some in false hope and continue to buy overpriced DLC in hopes of a new ending later squeezing more money. Why explain the endings when you can slap it on a DLC and make fans buy it like with Leviathan.

[abch4]

Galbrant wrote...

Well its either they are hiding something for later, don't care anymore, or they don't have any defense for their endings and they know any explanation in a attempt to defend them will be easily refuted by the fans. Oh and there is the possibility that by saying nothing will leave some in false hope and continue to buy overpriced DLC in hopes of a new ending later squeezing more money. Why explain the endings when you can slap it on a DLC and make fans buy it like with Leviathan.

Lol they don't need to defend their endings.

And they have said multiple times the ending isn't changing. If people have this false hope you speak of....it's their own fault 

[StElmo]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

 Either on Bioware tv, YouTube, a gaming site, something, but all I want is for them to explain the endings to us themselves, the vision, the reasoning. Is that to much to ask? Don't change them fine I get it but come out and explain the endings to your fans and maybe just maybe we will all have a "oooooooh ok I see" moment.

I think your actually addicted to freaking out chidingewe, go play something else and stop breeding animosity - it's bad for everyone.

[fiendishchicken]

hallidio wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

hallidio wrote...

OK if your going to keep missing my point please just PM me . I don't want thread spammed going back and forth over the same thing. Post above you pretty much sums up the entitled brat movement

When something goes off the rails, the consumer has a good point to question "Why?"

It's been done before, what's so hard to get?

Ohh the injustice! You should've got a refund. BioWare does not owe you or anybody else outside of the company an explanation of their story. Let's just get that clear.

You may question why it was done of course, forums are a good place for discourse on such matters with other fans. But this doesn't mean the dev has to explain jack!

We don't want to discuss this with other fans.

The only thing I'm speculating on is what the hell hit Hudson in the head to make this ending seem like a good idea.

It's so bad, that along with the general mediocre nature of ME3 and the disaster of TORtanic, it's made me actually hope that EA liquidizes the BW name.

[FlamingBoy]

I beginning to wonder if anyone knows what "entitlement" actually means. Its such an arrogant an inappropriate word to use for the customer/ consumer relationship that can only go badly

[abch4]

fiendishchicken wrote...

hallidio wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

hallidio wrote...

OK if your going to keep missing my point please just PM me . I don't want thread spammed going back and forth over the same thing. Post above you pretty much sums up the entitled brat movement

When something goes off the rails, the consumer has a good point to question "Why?"

It's been done before, what's so hard to get?

Ohh the injustice! You should've got a refund. BioWare does not owe you or anybody else outside of the company an explanation of their story. Let's just get that clear.

You may question why it was done of course, forums are a good place for discourse on such matters with other fans. But this doesn't mean the dev has to explain jack!

We don't want to discuss this with other fans.

The only thing I'm speculating on is what the hell hit Hudson in the head to make this ending seem like a good idea.

It's so bad, that along with the general mediocre nature of ME3 and the disaster of TORtanic, it's made me actually hope that EA liquidizes the BW name.

Want want want.

And your last statement pretty much highlights the problem with this sense of brat entitlement. "I don't like the ending, I hope EA liquidises BioWare." 


Gtfo BSN please

[fatbastad]

Don't forget Dragon Age II. As of now, all of BioWare's latest games from thier various franchises are disappointing. Whatever game they make next, they better do a really good job on.

[Fuzzfro]

Play the games with extended cut and leviathan DLC, everything is pretty much explained.

Whatever is unclear can generally be filled in with a bit of logic and educated guesses.

[kavox]

I've said it before and i'll say it again, what bioware tried to go for, at least from what i saw, was an ambiguity in there ending that allowed fans to draw there own conclusions, ie, the 'Speculations', The issue i take with this is that this was to to be SHepard's FINAL E. Why would you want to end it on a hugefreaking question mark, especially after he essentially either:
A: Become a Reaper God,
B: Take a short breath in rubble.
C: Turn into a wave of Green magic that shoots across the galaxy.

The EC does something to try and fill some holes, but the problem is that is like putting a new coat of paint on a house whose foundation is crumbling, it literally does not solve the underlying issues.
Shepard litterally just meets the Catalyst and his first question is not "Why do you look like a human when you are as old as the Citadel?"

The only ending that is exceptable to many is Destroy which at its best leaves Shepard quite literally hanging in mid-air, on a spaceship, that just blew to peices(Pre-EC), and all he does is take a breath. 

[Iakus]

 And the anti-ending crowd are called "haters" 

[kavox]

Fuzzfro wrote...

Play the games with extended cut and leviathan DLC, everything is pretty much explained.

Whatever is unclear can generally be filled in with a bit of logic and educated guesses.

If Leviathan explained so much about the Catalyst who is apparently the sagas TRUE nemesis, then it should have been a part of the game since lauch and not a DLC.

[Galbrant]

hallidio wrote...

Galbrant wrote...

Well its either they are hiding something for later, don't care anymore, or they don't have any defense for their endings and they know any explanation in a attempt to defend them will be easily refuted by the fans. Oh and there is the possibility that by saying nothing will leave some in false hope and continue to buy overpriced DLC in hopes of a new ending later squeezing more money. Why explain the endings when you can slap it on a DLC and make fans buy it like with Leviathan.

Lol they don't need to defend their endings.

And they have said multiple times the ending isn't changing. If people have this false hope you speak of....it's their own fault 

Why not? If they can defend their endings with Logic and Reason they have nothing to be afraid of. Their silence is proof they have no defense. 

[daaaav]

The endings are polished. I don't like them but they are what they are. What I would be interested in is hearing the dev's discuss what THEY intended to convey with the story. I believe that the best place to meet the mind of an artist is in the works that evoke the most emotion in the beholder. For myself, this is true for the majority of mass effect, but the endings only manage to bring frustration - itself an absence of emotion. I don't understand what they were thinking and I am disturbed by the implications and speculations that I have drawn from what is there. 

It isn't their best work...

[abch4]

Galbrant wrote...

hallidio wrote...

Galbrant wrote...

Well its either they are hiding something for later, don't care anymore, or they don't have any defense for their endings and they know any explanation in a attempt to defend them will be easily refuted by the fans. Oh and there is the possibility that by saying nothing will leave some in false hope and continue to buy overpriced DLC in hopes of a new ending later squeezing more money. Why explain the endings when you can slap it on a DLC and make fans buy it like with Leviathan.

Lol they don't need to defend their endings.

And they have said multiple times the ending isn't changing. If people have this false hope you speak of....it's their own fault 

Why not? If they can defend their endings with Logic and Reason they have nothing to be afraid of. Their silence is proof they have no defense. 

No no, you don't get it. There is nothing to defend.

'Defend' being the operative word here.

Modifié par hallidio, 31 janvier 2013 - 04:20 .

[fatbastad]

Expecting a good product for the money you pay isn't entitlement, it's being a consumer. If you don't like the way a can of soup tastes, you don't buy it. You aren't some entitled brat because you didn't like thier soup.

[Ticonderoga117]

hallidio wrote...
Ohh the injustice! You should've got a refund. BioWare does not owe you or anybody else outside of the company an explanation of their story. Let's just get that clear.

You may question why it was done of course, forums are a good place for discourse on such matters with other fans. But this doesn't mean the dev has to explain jack!

True, they don't "owe" anything, and if they want to play the silent card after using the art excuse, fine. They want to make stories that doesn't want to remain consistent, they
want to rip off of Deus Ex, they want to outright lie on what'll be in
thier game? Sure, go for it.

But that means they don't get a single cent more out of me.

[abch4]

fatbastad wrote...

Expecting a good product for the money you pay isn't entitlement, it's being a consumer. If you don't like the way a can of soup tastes, you don't buy it. You aren't some entitled brat because you didn't like thier soup.

Correct. You stop eating the soup and/or get a refund. You don't demand the company explains why it doesn't favour your taste pallette.

I got a great product tbh

[FlamingBoy]

hallidio wrote...


Want want want.

And your last statement pretty much highlights the problem with this sense of brat entitlement. "I don't like the ending, I hope EA liquidises BioWare." 


Gtfo BSN please

Adjust the attitude and stop the ad-hominem

not liking the ending and hoping bioware does not mean entitlement (do you know what the word means)

hoping a company that a company falls has no correlation to that word or the "sense" of the word.

[Cobalt2113]

kavox wrote...

Fuzzfro wrote...

Play the games with extended cut and leviathan DLC, everything is pretty much explained.

Whatever is unclear can generally be filled in with a bit of logic and educated guesses.

If Leviathan explained so much about the Catalyst who is apparently the sagas TRUE nemesis, then it should have been a part of the game since lauch and not a DLC.

Perhaps, perhaps not. The point is that it has been explained. Thus, any additional explanation is not owed to anyone.

Modifié par Cobalt2113, 31 janvier 2013 - 04:24 .

[dirtdiver32318]

This is a never ending argument those who are for it will never understand why those who dont

[abch4]

FlamingBoy wrote...

hallidio wrote...


Want want want.

And your last statement pretty much highlights the problem with this sense of brat entitlement. "I don't like the ending, I hope EA liquidises BioWare." 


Gtfo BSN please

Adjust the attitude and stop the ad-hominem

not liking the ending and hoping bioware does not mean entitlement (do you know what the word means)

hoping a company that a company falls has no correlation to that word or the "sense" of the word.

Yes people believing they have a right to demand bioware explain themselves. 

People purchasing the game believing they have a right to demand a new ending.

You can stop asking the question now. I ignored it the first time due to its lack of contribution to the topic at hand