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[fatbastad]

Partially correct. If a company that made a product like, lets say cola, changed it's recipe and you didn't like the new cola. You might tell the company their new cola recipe is terrible. Enough customers tell the company they don't like the new cola recipe(Mass Effect 3), and the company comes out with Coca-Cola classic and Coke 2. lol

[FlamingBoy]

Cobalt2113 wrote...

kavox wrote...

Fuzzfro wrote...

Play the games with extended cut and leviathan DLC, everything is pretty much explained.

Whatever is unclear can generally be filled in with a bit of logic and educated guesses.

If Leviathan explained so much about the Catalyst who is apparently the sagas TRUE nemesis, then it should have been a part of the game since lauch and not a DLC.

Perhaps, perhaps not. The point is that it has been explained. Thus, any additional explanation is not owed to anyone.

The ethical ramfications of what your saying are beyond defence. If it was not part of the main game and any closure I could recieve is the price of 10 dollars and several months waiting.

That is just unacceptable and such an abhorrent concept can only be achieved in the game industry

[xAmilli0n]

My ending doesn't need any explaining...just saying.

[FlamingBoy]

hallidio wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

hallidio wrote...


Want want want.

And your last statement pretty much highlights the problem with this sense of brat entitlement. "I don't like the ending, I hope EA liquidises BioWare." 


Gtfo BSN please

Adjust the attitude and stop the ad-hominem

not liking the ending and hoping bioware does not mean entitlement (do you know what the word means)

hoping a company that a company falls has no correlation to that word or the "sense" of the word.

Yes people believing they have a right to demand bioware explain themselves. 

People purchasing the game believing they have a right to demand a new ending.

You can stop asking the question now. I ignored it the first time due to its lack of contribution to the topic at hand

This is a perfect example of both "appeal to ridicule" and "ad-hominem" fallacies

People do have the right to demand things till they are hoarse and continue to demanding after that, and to some how connect this word to entitlement is well questionable since this is not the word means

[Ryoten]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

Dunabar wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Dunabar wrote...

Is it bad that I still see people complain about the ending but yet I, myself cannot find anything exactly wrong with it? Yeah I get people didn't care for it but yet I don't see what people were angry about or what needs explaining.

At this point, people are angry because they want to be angry. Not much anyone can do about that.

I'm angry because i was lied to by Bioware.

@Brovikk - That seems pretty fair to say, all my questions were answered with extended cut and I felt better after that.

@Ryoten - How?

They told us there would be 16 different endings.

They told us our choices over all 3 games would matter.

They told us the ending would not be "A,B,C."


They lied

Casey Hudson lied.

And Mike Gamble.  Dont let him off the hook.

[Galbrant]

hallidio wrote...

Galbrant wrote...

hallidio wrote...

Galbrant wrote...

Well its either they are hiding something for later, don't care anymore, or they don't have any defense for their endings and they know any explanation in a attempt to defend them will be easily refuted by the fans. Oh and there is the possibility that by saying nothing will leave some in false hope and continue to buy overpriced DLC in hopes of a new ending later squeezing more money. Why explain the endings when you can slap it on a DLC and make fans buy it like with Leviathan.

Lol they don't need to defend their endings.

And they have said multiple times the ending isn't changing. If people have this false hope you speak of....it's their own fault 

Why not? If they can defend their endings with Logic and Reason they have nothing to be afraid of. Their silence is proof they have no defense. 

No no, you don't get it. There is nothing to defend.

 There are plenty that needs to be defended. The evacuation scene alone has a plethora of problems. How did the Normandy  get from space to earth so fast? Why didn't Harbinger shoot the Normandy from the sky? Its large size could wipe out a good portion of the Hammer team.  The kicker of this scene if EDi happens to be with you. Shepard jeopardize the entire crew and EDI herself just to save her robot body that if destroyed wouldn't affect her. 

 

[Ticonderoga117]

Galbrant wrote...
There are plenty that needs to be defended. The evacuation scene alone has a plethora of problems. How did the Normandy  get from space to earth so fast? Why didn't Harbinger shoot the Normandy from the sky? Its large size could wipe out a good portion of the Hammer team.  The kicker of this scene if EDi happens to be with you. Shepard jeopardize the entire crew and EDI herself just to save her robot body that if destroyed wouldn't affect her. 

Reaper IFF... apparently.

Does it make sense? No, but that's what you're going to hear.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

extended cut and leviathan explain the ending and the reason why the reapers did it.  the reapers are WRONG but it explains their rationale.


the synthesis wave is such a "one sentence" explanation that you dont need them to say it its pretty ****ing obvious.  look at how the asari and protheans breed and communicate, or the thorian.  genetic manipulation as a greater lifeform is commonplace in mass effect fiction and people are just too singleminded to realise that its already been there the entire time.



the beam was green just as the prothean mindmeld **** was green, i took that to mean that green was a signifier of this higher level intelligence communication.


hell, shiala in me1 transmits archival knowledge into shepard's mind so that he can now understand a LANGUAGE and visual form of communication.


treating genetics like something that can be moved arround and messed with is a part of the series and always was.  the cybernetic blood vescles that glow green are SILLY looking but the mechanic itself doesnt need explanation because it exists already in the fiction in one way or another.

[Ryoten]

Mcfly616 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

Dunabar wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Dunabar wrote...

Is it bad that I still see people complain about the ending but yet I, myself cannot find anything exactly wrong with it? Yeah I get people didn't care for it but yet I don't see what people were angry about or what needs explaining.

At this point, people are angry because they want to be angry. Not much anyone can do about that.

I'm angry because i was lied to by Bioware.

@Brovikk - That seems pretty fair to say, all my questions were answered with extended cut and I felt better after that.

@Ryoten - How?

They told us there would be 16 different endings.

They told us our choices over all 3 games would matter.

They told us the ending would not be "A,B,C."


They lied

IGN said the first bit about 16 endings, not BW.

your choices did matter. Different conversations/scenes/occurences throughout the game are determined by your past choices. So yeah, they indeed had an effect and mattered. Just not in the way you thought they would. Bioware never said all your choices would culminate into your own unique ending. So you can't blame them. You can only blame yourself and your own expectations.

How so?  No i can blame them, because i didn't see a single choice play out in the ending.   My rachni choice was irrelivant.  My collector base choice didnt matter.  Hell whether or not i saved the council didnt matter.  The choice of choosing the quorians or gath or peace is made irrelivant by space brat and his logic.   I could go on and on, but its obvious that YOU will do everything in your power to defend the "perfect" game as your psychie sees it.

[kavox]

Cobalt2113 wrote...

kavox wrote...

Fuzzfro wrote...

Play the games with extended cut and leviathan DLC, everything is pretty much explained.

Whatever is unclear can generally be filled in with a bit of logic and educated guesses.

If Leviathan explained so much about the Catalyst who is apparently the sagas TRUE nemesis, then it should have been a part of the game since lauch and not a DLC.

Perhaps, perhaps not. The point is that it has been explained. Thus, any additional explanation is not owed to anyone.

No, not "perhaps", definitely, an explanation into the antagonist in the final installment in a story arch is a necessity, not a maybe. A DLC is for EXTRA content, not vital information the the main antagonist of your franchise(thus far). I'm not asking for an explanation, i don't honestly care for one and neither does it seem people who actually like the endings.

I'm not trying to pick a fight. I am of the mind that the endings are, regardless of an explanation or expansion or epilogue, are broken and incoherent. It just annoys me that Bioware released a DLC that tries to help enlighten us as to the creation of the Catalyst, our apparent primary antagonist, at extra cost.

BEHOLD!!! It is a hole in the ground.
I do not need to dig a little deeper to find out that it is, in fact, a hole.
If i stand in the hole and dig outwards, it doesn't change what it is, doesn't male me understand it any more than i had five seconds ago.

[KiwiQuiche]

Having to clarify your clarifications is shoddy writing, as Bioware has spectacularly shown.

[jkflipflopDAO]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

 Either on Bioware tv, YouTube, a gaming site, something, but all I want is for them to explain the endings to us themselves, the vision, the reasoning. Is that to much to ask? Don't change them fine I get it but come out and explain the endings to your fans and maybe just maybe we will all have a "oooooooh ok I see" moment.

I agree 1000%. A little explanation would have went a long ways on this one. This whole "keep everything from the fans!" BS just makes the majority of us angry.

[Ninja Stan]

I think that's enough swearing and bickering for one thread, thank you.

End of line.