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[GimmeDaGun]

FlamingBoy wrote...

sad that despite what your family went through you cannot spot the concept of censorship, it is a wide definition

some of posts were locked not all, it does not matter

I know what censorship is and I perfectly understand its "concept". You keep telling me that I don't will not change that. I don't know where the arrogance comes from, but have it your way. 

With all due respect I disagree with you, and it seems we have wildly different veiws on what censorship is. So I think we should agree to disagree, because this argument will lead nowhere. 

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 31 janvier 2013 - 05:49 .

[RasenRebirth]

Dont get your hopes up alot of the angry fans left allowing others to voice their ideals without being trolled or raged on. I didn't care for the endings, but I did enjoy the game. I dont play the stroy much because I know that I'll always choose reject or destroy. I dont trust the reapers because thats been the point of the series to beat them. Combining with them and leaving people as husks and keeping reapers doesn't seem fair to those that lost their lives and seems more renegade to force that. I feel bad destroying the geth and Edi but it to stop the reapers. I reject because I dont want to kill my allies.

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

It's because the people who hate the ending either have gone to other pastures or they are satisfied with MEHEM. So the people who like Bioware are weeded out and now are easier to see.

Bioware has a 50% chance with this DLC, but if they fail...it is a straight jab into their fanbase, the people who make Bioware exist and breathe.

[Ninja Stan]

Moderators locking threads, condensing discussions, and issuing bans is not "censorship." It is operating the forum in accordance with the Site Rules. These are the same rules that each and every community member explicitly agreed to follow and be governed by when they signed up to participate in this community.

Locked threads will almost always have the reason for the lock in the Moderator's final message. Community members are free to message Moderators if they have question or concerns with any Moderator actions. We are always happy to answer questions regarding forum functionality and thread locks.

Let's please stop with the swearing and the bickering, and take the talk of censorship offline. This type of thread already has the potential to be non-productive, so let's try and keep discussion civil and respectful and, above all, on-topic. Thank you.

[GimmeDaGun]

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

It's because the people who hate the ending either have gone to other pastures or they are satisfied with MEHEM. So the people who like Bioware are weeded out and now are easier to see.

Bioware has a 50% chance with this DLC, but if they fail...it is a straight jab into their fanbase, the people who make Bioware exist and breathe.

In that case it will be a "jab" since it is made clear that it won't touch the endings.

As for the fans leaving would make the company die: my favourit band Metallica caused quite a stir among their fans when Load and ReLoad were released (with all the new artistic style, looks and musical direction... hell some hardcore purists despised even the self titled (Black) album and ...And Justice for All). A huge amount of people left the fanbase, started hating Metallica (made hating on Metallica quite trendy...it still is), claimed that they "sold out" etc.. Many stated in those times that it would be the end of the band, because their sales would drop etc. etc.. Guess what happened? Many of the hardcore fans still remained, and in addition to that Metallica gained a huge amount of new fans (hell, even St. Anger - the weakest, most controversial and least commercial album - brought them new fans and made some of the old timer Metallica fans "forgive" Metallica for their "sell out" years). Now it is still one of the biggest and most popular and loved metal bands out there, selling out every single gig and make a killing with every single piece of music they release... and there's a huge anticipation for their next album (under production).

You know why is that? Because people love creative geniouses despite their lows (in Bioware's case DA2 - never played it, or ME3 - I don't consider it a low) which make them controversial and subject of debates. Hell, people who are disappointed even love to hate them. And when they release something new that they might like they go back and love them again. That's how it goes. But until they go, they will have a big enough fan-base to feed them and make them carry on. People are this irrational, and driven by emotions, just by talking about them, they're keeping them afloat and make them the subject of attetnion, by that they make the gig go on. Bioware is currently working on 3 big projects: next ME game, DA3, and a completely new IP... they don't look like a dying company to me. 

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 31 janvier 2013 - 06:46 .

[Darth Malice113]

Ninja Stan wrote...

Moderators locking threads, condensing discussions, and issuing bans is not "censorship." It is operating the forum in accordance with the Site Rules. These are the same rules that each and every community member explicitly agreed to follow and be governed by when they signed up to participate in this community.

Locked threads will almost always have the reason for the lock in the Moderator's final message. Community members are free to message Moderators if they have question or concerns with any Moderator actions. We are always happy to answer questions regarding forum functionality and thread locks.

Let's please stop with the swearing and the bickering, and take the talk of censorship offline. This type of thread already has the potential to be non-productive, so let's try and keep discussion civil and respectful and, above all, on-topic. Thank you.

Sorry but determining what can and can't be discussed, and then supressing it is the very definition of censorship.


Censorship is defined by act the changing or suppresing of speech for the common good.

This is not the sole purview of  governments, political or religious groups. Censorship by it's very nature is the act in wich subversive ot threatining ideas are swept under the rug.

BSN is not a State or Nation, but that doesn't mean it doesn't censor what it's users can or can't post.

Users need to realise that there is no Freedom of Speech protection on these forums. 

 The Mods need to understand that locking down open discussion about things like indoctrination is indeed censoship, and stop pretending it isn't .

You're not fooling anyone.

Modifié par Darth Malice113, 31 janvier 2013 - 06:30 .

[FlamingBoy]

Darth Malice113 wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

Moderators locking threads, condensing discussions, and issuing bans is not "censorship." It is operating the forum in accordance with the Site Rules. These are the same rules that each and every community member explicitly agreed to follow and be governed by when they signed up to participate in this community.

Locked threads will almost always have the reason for the lock in the Moderator's final message. Community members are free to message Moderators if they have question or concerns with any Moderator actions. We are always happy to answer questions regarding forum functionality and thread locks.

Let's please stop with the swearing and the bickering, and take the talk of censorship offline. This type of thread already has the potential to be non-productive, so let's try and keep discussion civil and respectful and, above all, on-topic. Thank you.

Sorry but determining what can and can't be discussed, and then supressing it is the very definition of censorship.


Censorship is defined by act the changing or suppresing of speech for the common good.

This is not the sole purview of  governments, political or religious groups. Censorship by it's very nature is the act in wich subversive ot threatining ideas are swept under the rug.

BSN is not a State or Nation, but that doesn't mean it doesn't censor what it's users can or can't post.

Users need to realise that there is no Freedom of Speech protection on these forums. 

 The Mods need to understand that locking down open discussion about things like indoctrination is indeed censoship, and stop pretending it isn't .

You're not fooling anyone.

I like this, non-bias (well maybe a little)
just pure facts

[Darth Malice113]

FlamingBoy wrote...

Darth Malice113 wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

Moderators locking threads, condensing discussions, and issuing bans is not "censorship." It is operating the forum in accordance with the Site Rules. These are the same rules that each and every community member explicitly agreed to follow and be governed by when they signed up to participate in this community.

Locked threads will almost always have the reason for the lock in the Moderator's final message. Community members are free to message Moderators if they have question or concerns with any Moderator actions. We are always happy to answer questions regarding forum functionality and thread locks.

Let's please stop with the swearing and the bickering, and take the talk of censorship offline. This type of thread already has the potential to be non-productive, so let's try and keep discussion civil and respectful and, above all, on-topic. Thank you.

Sorry but determining what can and can't be discussed, and then supressing it is the very definition of censorship.


Censorship is defined by act the changing or suppresing of speech for the common good.

This is not the sole purview of  governments, political or religious groups. Censorship by it's very nature is the act in wich subversive ot threatining ideas are swept under the rug.

BSN is not a State or Nation, but that doesn't mean it doesn't censor what it's users can or can't post.

Users need to realise that there is no Freedom of Speech protection on these forums. 

 The Mods need to understand that locking down open discussion about things like indoctrination is indeed censoship, and stop pretending it isn't .

You're not fooling anyone.

I like this, non-bias (well maybe a little)
just pure facts

Don't be fooled I have bias, we all do. 

But pretending the suppresion of thoughts,ideas,arguments isn't censorship is ludicrous.

[GimmeDaGun]

FlamingBoy wrote...

Darth Malice113 wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

Moderators locking threads, condensing discussions, and issuing bans is not "censorship." It is operating the forum in accordance with the Site Rules. These are the same rules that each and every community member explicitly agreed to follow and be governed by when they signed up to participate in this community.

Locked threads will almost always have the reason for the lock in the Moderator's final message. Community members are free to message Moderators if they have question or concerns with any Moderator actions. We are always happy to answer questions regarding forum functionality and thread locks.

Let's please stop with the swearing and the bickering, and take the talk of censorship offline. This type of thread already has the potential to be non-productive, so let's try and keep discussion civil and respectful and, above all, on-topic. Thank you.

Sorry but determining what can and can't be discussed, and then supressing it is the very definition of censorship.


Censorship is defined by act the changing or suppresing of speech for the common good.

This is not the sole purview of  governments, political or religious groups. Censorship by it's very nature is the act in wich subversive ot threatining ideas are swept under the rug.

BSN is not a State or Nation, but that doesn't mean it doesn't censor what it's users can or can't post.

Users need to realise that there is no Freedom of Speech protection on these forums. 

 The Mods need to understand that locking down open discussion about things like indoctrination is indeed censoship, and stop pretending it isn't .

You're not fooling anyone.

I like this, non-bias (well maybe a little)
just pure facts

There's no such thing form a person's mouth as "pure fact".  - just a side note.

[FlamingBoy]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

Darth Malice113 wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

Moderators locking threads, condensing discussions, and issuing bans is not "censorship." It is operating the forum in accordance with the Site Rules. These are the same rules that each and every community member explicitly agreed to follow and be governed by when they signed up to participate in this community.

Locked threads will almost always have the reason for the lock in the Moderator's final message. Community members are free to message Moderators if they have question or concerns with any Moderator actions. We are always happy to answer questions regarding forum functionality and thread locks.

Let's please stop with the swearing and the bickering, and take the talk of censorship offline. This type of thread already has the potential to be non-productive, so let's try and keep discussion civil and respectful and, above all, on-topic. Thank you.

Sorry but determining what can and can't be discussed, and then supressing it is the very definition of censorship.


Censorship is defined by act the changing or suppresing of speech for the common good.

This is not the sole purview of  governments, political or religious groups. Censorship by it's very nature is the act in wich subversive ot threatining ideas are swept under the rug.

BSN is not a State or Nation, but that doesn't mean it doesn't censor what it's users can or can't post.

Users need to realise that there is no Freedom of Speech protection on these forums. 

 The Mods need to understand that locking down open discussion about things like indoctrination is indeed censoship, and stop pretending it isn't .

You're not fooling anyone.

I like this, non-bias (well maybe a little)
just pure facts

There's no such thing form a person's mouth as "pure fact".  - just a side note.

yeah ur right, I regretted that statement as soon as I wrote it.

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

It's because the people who hate the ending either have gone to other pastures or they are satisfied with MEHEM. So the people who like Bioware are weeded out and now are easier to see.

Bioware has a 50% chance with this DLC, but if they fail...it is a straight jab into their fanbase, the people who make Bioware exist and breathe.

In that case it will be a "jab" since it is made clear that it won't touch the endings.

As for the fans leaving would make the company die: my favourit band Metallica caused quite a stir among their fans when Load and ReLoad were released (with all the new artistic style, looks and musical direction... hell some hardcore purists despised even the self titled (Black) album and ...And Justice for All). A huge amount of people left the fanbase, started hating Metallica (made hating on Metallica quite trendy...it still is), claimed that they "sold out" etc.. Many stated in those times that it would be the end of the band, because their sales would drop etc. etc.. Guess what happened? Many of the hardcore fans still remained, and in addition to that Metallica gained a huge amount of new fans (hell, even St. Anger - the weakest, most controversial and least commercial album - brought them new fans and made some of the old timer Metallica fans "forgive" Metallica for their "sell out" years). Now it is still one of the biggest and most popular and loved metal bands out there, selling out every single gig and make a killing with every single piece of music they release... and there's a huge anticipation for their next album (under production).

You know why is that? Because people love creative geniouses despite their lows (in Bioware's case DA2 - never played it, or ME3 - I don't consider it a low) which make them controversial and subject of debates. Hell, people who are disappointed even love to hate them. And when they release something new that they might like they go back and love them again. That's how it goes. But until they go, they will have a big enough fan-base to feed them and make them carry on. People are this irrational, and driven by emotions, just by talking about them, they're keeping them afloat and make them the subject of attetnion, by that they make the gig go on. Bioware is currently working on 3 big projects: next ME game, DA3, and a completely new IP... they don't look like a dying company to me. 

When did I say it had to do with the ending?

All I am saying is that the last/this DLC has to leave the fans impressed, is Montreal behind it? If so, then they MUST strive for this, they can't pull an Omega and leave people saying "meh." Omega was forgettable, not matter what you say. They have to impress. A lot. And just because a company if producing a couple of games doesn't mean it isn't failing. Maybe THQ is an example. Sooner or later, people will get sick of how Bioware does their games. The people who pre-order ME3 (Or the people that hated the endings, which was practically 75% of the fanbase) are probably not going to pre-order ME4, they might check it out and then buy it, but Bioware has to say "we listened to the fans this time." And this statement applies to DA even more.

I'm going to laugh and open and drink my Leoville Barton wine (1990, $300 dollar bottle) when DA3 launches. I just don't think Bioware will pull it off well. Remember, a game developer can't just make 40% of the fanbase happy. They need to aim for 90%. I hope that Bioware does well, but from this point. It doesn't seem they will.

Also, I have been a Metallica fan for a long time. Metallica pulled it off. And I want to see those hardcore fans, most of them are still crying about how the Black album was their last greatest hit (I hated it.) Still, Metallica isn't great any more. They are just trying to prolong that little fire that is burning. Got to give them cookies for that, they are doing a great job selling out their old 80s songs. But they make some decent new stuff too. Not great as the 80s, better than the 90s, but it is okay.

Oh, and all the people who still love 80s metal, went over to Megadeth, Slayer and Anthrax. Sad but true.

Modifié par ZeCollectorDestroya, 31 janvier 2013 - 07:40 .

[Anthadlas]

Whats the point in complaining to people who don't listen?
Most people just don't care anymore to be vocal about it

[LiarasShield]

If the leviathans felt that synthetics would destroy organics then why would they create a synthetic to preserve organic life come on!!! for the love of all thats sacred and then the catalyst saying we create synthetics to destroy you from creating other synthetics that will destroy you it justs gets so bonkers U_U

[paul165]

Actually it's more people got bored, tired and left. It does not indicate that everyone suddenly had this revelation and thought ME3 was wonderful it's just that everything that could be said had been said (over and over and over) and BW EA have made their opinions and intentions for the series clear.

Campaigning for things or disagreeing with the route they are taking serves no purpose so those whose who don't like it....left. Certainly I only come back to check on dlc status (so I can then watch it on youtube - sure as hell not going to buy it).

[StElmo]

Probably because I am not flooding the forum with dumb threads saying the same thing and being wrong anyway.

[Sir George Parr]

I am interested to see what this final dlc will do, if it offers clarity on Shepards fate in the destroy ending then i will stay. If i still feel depressed by the ending after this dlc, then its time to move on from ME and put the whole sorry saga to bed and restrict my interest in Bioware to just DA. As the whole ME3 saga has left a nasty taste in the mouth. When the next game in the Mass Effect series shows its self i will just not want to re-visit that painful  experience and open old wounds.

Modifié par XM-417, 02 février 2013 - 11:01 .

[spirosz]

iakus wrote...

Dubozz wrote...

Nobody cares anymore. Last DLC is going to be a salvation for bioware or the last nail to it's coffin for a lot of people.

I think it's less "nobody cares" and more "He's dad, Jim"   If this upcoming dlc really is the last, then there's no hope left for ME3.  At this point it's little more than a deathwatch.

What will really be interesting will be how many come back for ME#, and how many will have been driven away permanently.

I'm curious about that as well.  The last DLC is an actual deciding factor towards me purchasing the other DLC if I find this one meaningful and hopefully it has ME2 content, which I doubt.  

[simonrana]

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...
As for the fans leaving would make the company die: my favourit band Metallica caused quite a stir among their fans when Load and ReLoad were released (with all the new artistic style, looks and musical direction... hell some hardcore purists despised even the self titled (Black) album and ...And Justice for All). A huge amount of people left the fanbase, started hating Metallica (made hating on Metallica quite trendy...it still is), claimed that they "sold out" etc.. Many stated in those times that it would be the end of the band, because their sales would drop etc. etc.. Guess what happened? Many of the hardcore fans still remained, and in addition to that Metallica gained a huge amount of new fans (hell, even St. Anger - the weakest, most controversial and least commercial album - brought them new fans and made some of the old timer Metallica fans "forgive" Metallica for their "sell out" years). Now it is still one of the biggest and most popular and loved metal bands out there, selling out every single gig and make a killing with every single piece of music they release... and there's a huge anticipation for their next album (under production).

You know why is that? Because people love creative geniouses despite their lows (in Bioware's case DA2 - never played it, or ME3 - I don't consider it a low) which make them controversial and subject of debates. Hell, people who are disappointed even love to hate them. And when they release something new that they might like they go back and love them again. That's how it goes. But until they go, they will have a big enough fan-base to feed them and make them carry on. People are this irrational, and driven by emotions, just by talking about them, they're keeping them afloat and make them the subject of attetnion, by that they make the gig go on. Bioware is currently working on 3 big projects: next ME game, DA3, and a completely new IP... they don't look like a dying company to me. 

All I am saying is that the last/this DLC has to leave the fans impressed, is Montreal behind it? If so, then they MUST strive for this, they can't pull an Omega and leave people saying "meh." Omega was forgettable, not matter what you say. They have to impress. A lot. And just because a company if producing a couple of games doesn't mean it isn't failing. Maybe THQ is an example. Sooner or later, people will get sick of how Bioware does their games. The people who pre-order ME3 (Or the people that hated the endings, which was practically 75% of the fanbase) are probably not going to pre-order ME4, they might check it out and then buy it, but Bioware has to say "we listened to the fans this time." And this statement applies to DA even more.

I'm going to laugh and open and drink my Leoville Barton wine (1990, $300 dollar bottle) when DA3 launches. I just don't think Bioware will pull it off well. Remember, a game developer can't just make 40% of the fanbase happy. They need to aim for 90%. I hope that Bioware does well, but from this point. It doesn't seem they will.

Also, I have been a Metallica fan for a long time. Metallica pulled it off. And I want to see those hardcore fans, most of them are still crying about how the Black album was their last greatest hit (I hated it.) Still, Metallica isn't great any more. They are just trying to prolong that little fire that is burning. Got to give them cookies for that, they are doing a great job selling out their old 80s songs. But they make some decent new stuff too. Not great as the 80s, better than the 90s, but it is okay.

Oh, and all the people who still love 80s metal, went over to Megadeth, Slayer and Anthrax. Sad but true.

I found that to be quite a thought-provoking post GimmeDaGun. I am genuinely very intruiged to see how Bioware's future is going to play out and which way their fans will truly go. On the one hand it really feels like some serious damage has been done with the last two releases, but on the other from many of the posts I read on BSN I get the impression that many of the hard-core fans won't be able to resist getting the next Bioware game.

In fact I'm probably a test case myself. I've gone totally off Bioware and yet here I am on BSN, day after day, weirdly addicted. And despite all the discontent I still play the game (post EC).  And though I've "decided" that I'll most likely not buy into ME4 (seeing as Bioware's not heading in a direction I particularly like) I wouldn't be all that shocked if I found myself suckered in when it arrives.

ZeCollectorDestroya you seem to be proving his point as it sounds like you've bought all of Metallica's stuff, "good and bad". It's not your opinion of their product that matters to them, it's whether you paid them for it!

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Many of us who are against the ending are simply tired of beating our head against the wall here on BSN. When your arguments fall upon deaf ears for this wrong, it's exhausting. I'll never let it go, until it gets fixed. They didn't even apologize for the ending or admit any wrongdoing, instead opting to claim that we just didn't understand their artistic vision.

I'm the kind of guy who will always give credit where it is due. Mass Effect 3, for the most part, was one of the greatest experiences of my entire life. I ranked it up there with Metal Gear Solid, and that is a compliment of the highest caliber. However, this company has been headed into the wrong direction for several years, as evidenced by ME2, DA 2, and the SWTOR. Now don't get me wrong. ME2 was a great game, but you could see they hadn't planned out the trilogy's story in advance. It appears to have been improvised from day one.

Several things make me cringe very hard: Starchild, Starchild's sadistic choices, refusal defeat ending, the Stargazer scene, Shepard's downright awful auto-dialog, catering to new players by downplaying the impact of previous games on ME3's plot (rachni, Councilor Anderson, etc.). I refuse to be an apologist. I hope you can respect my opinion.

[tanisha__unknown]

mcgreggers99 wrote...

I think a big part of it was the Doctors leaving....whether or not the people on this forum will admit it I think the straw that broke the camel's back for Ray and Greg was due to the backlash (that and TOR tanking) I think a lot of people here felt just a *tad* bit guilty about their reactions to the ending.

I doubt that. The doctors leaving are EA's internal afairs. There were some speculations about the reasons and the future prospects of BW and were BW games were headed, but I never saw a post like 'OMG! Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk lost their jobs because of me! I feel terrible.'

The complaints continued, but even the most passionate fan will give up sometime when s/he sees their actions and words are futile.

I was among the ones who protested against the ending and I still don't like them. I always stayed polite in my criticism, however in my mind the endings were massively flawed: The concept was nonsensical and the execution utterly sloppy. With EC, the latter one is partly fixed, I am ready to admit that.

With Leviathan, the ending fundamental concept of the endings makes more sense, even though I will continue to call parts of the dialogue with the catalyst 'horsecrap' if I had a pleasant day and worse i it was a bad one. In my opinion, it still deserves this.

There are issues and plotholes besides the ending, however I will always admit, that ME3 was, for the most part, a great experience which I enjoyed alot. The DLC was mostly good (Omega was a bit weak storywise), that's pretty much the reason why I am still here.

Other people who enjoyed the ending with EC or before and who enjoyed the DLCs are still probably here. Since devs stated outright that there will be no post-ending DLC and that the endings are done with EC, a lot of die-hard-ending haters have probably left.

People haven't gotten better or more polite or civil or guilt driven, the furious ones left.

[Exeider]

Syroel13 wrote...

 I remember being on this forum right after ME3 and obviously, it was just flooded with anti-ending posts. Which I do understand and accept but soon around 2 months back I started to get really sick of everyone still angry about the ending. People were yelling for all sorts of changes, adding theories, and basically still in the same angry state as they were back in March.

But I have noticed recently on the forums that their is a wave starting of respect and humility towards bioware and the ME trilogy now. People have stopped making angry posts why they can't have this ending or why can't bioware do this for us and so on. There is a trend going that people are done complaining and asking for the game to be THEIR way and starting to give thanks to Bioware for making one of the greatest gaming trilogies in history. 

It is no longer, "How can I get them to make what I want" or "Why won't you completely redo the ending for us."

Now people are alot more enthusiastic about the upcoming DLC's and giving thank you posts to Bioware and their employees and it is a sight for sore eyes. I hope this will continue in the direction it's headed and we can all appreciate what we got from them rather than what we didn't.

Well thats because after months of mods removing threads and banning accounts engaging what is tantamount to a gamer "ethnic cleansing" of sorts, combined with the anger itself subsizing into simple apathy. Of course it's going to be that way.

However keep in mind it's not because of a change in attitudes by the community, it's due to a forced demographic shift, in which pretty much anyone saying anything remotely "anti-bioware" has been effectively silenced.

much in the same way that Free Speech Zones in America ostensibly put protesters far away from politicians and the world media during those events. You in the stadium or watching the event on TV and thinking "Well I guess everybody is being nice and supports *blank* " , not really, it's just a case of out of sight , out of mind.

-AE

[Han Shot First]

To be fair, Bioware was as much responsible for the negativity as the fanbase. Initially when the endings were being critcized Bioware's response was to cite all the positive reviews from critics (suggesting unintentionally that its the critics and not the fans who matter) and dismissing those complaining about the endings as entitled whiners who were too stupid to understand the 'art' in the endings.

That isn't how any company should handle criticism of one of their products. Bioware totally failed at public relations, and were responsible for fanning the flames of the controversy. They provided ammo to the loudest and most obnoxious of the company's critics, and insulted and angered many who had been up to that point had just been voicing constructive criticism of the endings. If I had to point to a moment when the whole ending controversy went nuclear, it was after Bioware's ham-fisted response to the criticism.

[Teddie Sage]

Xellith wrote...

People stopped posting ending threads when the mods locked them every time one was posted.

We can't even talk about IT and the endings anymore. There's so much censorship going on the boards that it's not fun talking about the franchise these days.

[Bl0dbathNBeyond]

GimmeDaGun wrote...



Well, my country was under the totalitarian rule of the CCCP (The Soviet Union) for a long time, I was born in those times and spent my early years in a dictatorship. Both my grandfathers were punished for being an enemy of the system: one of them was a soldier fighting the soviets in WW2, the other was a son of a man (my great-grandfather) who took part in the invasion of the Soviet Union and died there as a hero... also both my grandfathers took part in the revolution and freedom fight in 1956... they were internated for this after the russians crushed the rebellion, and they were lucky. Let alone the fact that everything was taken away from them. One of them was even kidnapped by the state police many years later for two weeks of interogation (and torture, though he never talked about it). My father was accused of parttaking of the organisation of a resistent movement (rightfully), he was reported by one of his university teachers, he was also smuggling stuff and "samisdats" (forbidden literature) to Romania during the revolution there. In those times you couldn't even learn about your own country's history and your religion, only lies.

Sorry for boring you with such family and country stuff: but believe me, I know a thing or two about censorship and opression, and what you see here is not censorship. I wasn't rationalising anything: it is not censorship, only moderating. There's a huge difference there. ...if anti-ending opinions were censored here, you couldn't have written your opinion about the endings in these forums at all, and you woulnd't see so many anti-ending topics and opinions still...and I wouldn't be bored to death by them.

^ This fine poster just won the thread. I mean, I know the internet's the home of hyperbole, but come on. It's not like forum mods are coming to your house.