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[Neverwinter_Knight77]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

fainmaca wrote...

It was up to Bioware to keep the lines of communication open. They clammed up. Persisting in trying to reach out to the fanbase would have helped reach some kind of middle ground with the disenfranchised. Instead people got more and more frustrated, leading to more and more of the so-called 'toxic' posts around here.

I very much believe this to be true. I know I'm still getting more and more frustrated, although I should know better by now and just ignore the ME3 forums completely. Off-topic is kind of a nice place to be.

I agree as well.  Ignoring the people who were once your biggest supporters doesn't sound like good PR to me.  It feels like two best friends had a falling out, and for many of us, the wound has not healed.  The media's attacks on us only rubbed salt into it and added insult to injury.

[pinoy_sav]

Dubozz wrote...

Nobody cares anymore. Last DLC is going to be a salvation for bioware or the last nail to it's coffin for a lot of people.

^pretty much how most people felt. The "die hard/ martyr" fans have most likely left and rant soemwhere else. A few "diehards" such as myself have taken the more civil and calm approach with all of this negativity. Whatever happens happens goodluck to Bioware and their future endeavors, as for me Im done with all of this ME3 stuff

[Legbiter]

Seems to have gotten a tad better once the IT bums were rousted out of the forums.

[Robhuzz]

BearlyHere wrote...

duckley wrote...

I have always worried that the over the top but valid criticism would cause damage to Bioware and then I would be left with no good games to play. Poor me LOL

Good ending or bad, re cycled environments or not, Bioware is the only company that I used to know of that makes games with wonderful, well-written characters, humour, deep stories, fascinating lore

Fixed that for you.

Bioware has done enough damage to themselves. If they want to shift gears and make cheaper, faster to produce shooters, that's their perogative, but the final game of a trilogy was a poor place to make that shift.  And BTW, there are other good games out there. I still haven't finished Skyrim's dlcs. Imagine, a dlc with weeks, not hours, of gameplay. I'm also on my fourth play through of Dishonored, which was too short for the price, but has rich new setting to be developed.

QFT

If Bioware wants to appeal to the mainstream shooter audience and start making generic shooters with meh stories and no lore to speak of then fine by me, but they could've waited until after the 3rd installment. After that, Shep's story would be over and they're free to do whatever they want. ME4 would've been a different game anyway, for better or worse.

[TheProtheans]

It's not getting better, we're just saving our energy for the final showdown.

[Kel Riever]

This here is a funny thread, to be sure.

[Annihilator27]

Good to see some fellow 2009's are still around.We've seen it all.

[Ninja Stan]

Robhuzz wrote...

If Bioware wants to appeal to the mainstream shooter audience and start making generic shooters with meh stories and no lore to speak of then fine by me, but they could've waited until after the 3rd installment. After that, Shep's story would be over and they're free to do whatever they want. ME4 would've been a different game anyway, for better or worse.

But, this being BioWare's game, world, setting, etc., aren't they always free to do what they want?

[Iakus]

Yes.

But just because you can, doesn't mean you should.  Being free to do something doesn't automatically make doing it a good idea.

[Mazebook]

Well, I have to admit it is getting better...a little better all the time.

[TheRealJayDee]

Ninja Stan wrote...

But, this being BioWare's game, world, setting, etc., aren't they always free to do what they want?

They totally are and I can't help but respect that.











Unrelated anecdote: just today I decided not to hurl my vacuum cleaner at my TV, although it would totally have been within the limits of both my abilities and my rights to do it. But I gave it some thought and in the end did not deem it wise. Don't know why I felt like sharing this...

[RocketManSR2]

Dubozz wrote...

Nobody cares anymore. Last DLC is going to be a salvation for bioware or the last nail to it's coffin for a lot of people.

Pretty much. I'm just tired of it all. I'm riding the DLC hype train travelling at full speed just waiting for the flaming high speed impact at the end. The fact that it has quieted down isn't necessarily a good thing. It means players who have bought a lot of BioWare's products have taken their money elsewhere. Something I plan to do if this "big" DLC is nothing but more worthless assets. I might get around to finishing my Tali romance playthrough, but I doubt my heart will be in it.

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 02 février 2013 - 04:42 .

[RocketManSR2]

Ninja Stan wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

If Bioware wants to appeal to the mainstream shooter audience and start making generic shooters with meh stories and no lore to speak of then fine by me, but they could've waited until after the 3rd installment. After that, Shep's story would be over and they're free to do whatever they want. ME4 would've been a different game anyway, for better or worse.

But, this being BioWare's game, world, setting, etc., aren't they always free to do what they want?

If I painted a beautiful picture then threw a pile of s*** at it, it's my right. It doesn't make it a smart thing to do. 

[RocketManSR2]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

I agree as well.  Ignoring the people who were once your biggest supporters doesn't sound like good PR to me.  It feels like two best friends had a falling out, and for many of us, the wound has not healed.  The media's attacks on us only rubbed salt into it and added insult to injury.

Except as Stan would tell us, BioWare isn't our friend. They are a business and there is nothing more to it. We were never more than a number on a receipt. That was my mistake. I actually thought BioWare has always had a special relationship with it's fans. I was wrong. I know my place now.

- Sorry for the triple

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 02 février 2013 - 04:48 .

[Eterna]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

If Bioware wants to appeal to the mainstream shooter audience and start making generic shooters with meh stories and no lore to speak of then fine by me, but they could've waited until after the 3rd installment. After that, Shep's story would be over and they're free to do whatever they want. ME4 would've been a different game anyway, for better or worse.

But, this being BioWare's game, world, setting, etc., aren't they always free to do what they want?

If I painted a beautiful picture then threw a pile of s*** at it, it's my right. It doesn't make it a smart thing to do. 

If you're an artist of any fame or renown, somebody would buy it. 

[RocketManSR2]

Eterna5 wrote...

If you're an artist of any fame or renown, somebody would buy it. 

Only a small minority. 

- No, I don't want to argue. Just having a bit of fun. 

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 02 février 2013 - 04:51 .

[FlamingBoy]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

But, this being BioWare's game, world, setting, etc., aren't they always free to do what they want?

They totally are and I can't help but respect that.











Unrelated anecdote: just today I decided not to hurl my vacuum cleaner at my TV, although it would totally have been within the limits of both my abilities and my rights to do it. But I gave it some thought and in the end did not deem it wise. Don't know why I felt like sharing this...

LOL!

[llllshadowllll]

It's because people don't care anymore, the old fanbase won't throw anymore money on Mass Effect games, myself included.

[chidingewe8036]

I have not given up on the BSN I love seeing all you guys around these parts. I made a thread in the Story discussion topic page that was basically about me making peace with Bioware and my fellow fanbase and praising Bioware for such an amazing trilogy. Unfortunately however I don't think I will be apart of the next Mass Effect Series if there is one I will be long gone by then but who knows we will see.

But as of right now I am done, I have given in to indoctrination and the darkside has consumed me. Bioware is to strong. Critical Mission Failure.

"we are done with the endings, the darkness cannot be breached"

[chidingewe8036]

Dubozz wrote...

Nobody cares anymore. Last DLC is going to be a salvation for bioware or the last nail to it's coffin for a lot of people.

yup there ya go, my feelings exactly..........as much as I respect Bioware and the fanbase in the end, this is the way I feel at this point.

[chidingewe8036]

One thing the Indoctrination Theory DID do if nothing else was give me fuel for my epic headcanoned ending that helped me come to peace with this title.

[TheRealJayDee]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Except as Stan would tell us, BioWare isn't our friend. They are a business and there is nothing more to it. We were never more than a number on a receipt. That was my mistake. I actually thought BioWare has always had a special relationship with it's fans. I was wrong. I know my place now.

Stan has taught me a lot these past months as well.




edit: okay, seriously, what's up with the triples?

Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 02 février 2013 - 05:38 .

[chidingewe8036]

I don't however have alot of confidence in this next dlc but I am not going to let it get me down. I have no expectations anymore, I have downloaded the EC, I purchased Leviathan and Omega (I loved Omega simply because I finally got my chance to battle with Aria and Nyreen was awesome), I gave up on multiplayer a long time ago (to many options, packs, etc., not enough time, and kinda boring).

So this next dlc I am going to youtube all the way, I have purchased and played every dlc for Mass Effect since its be in existence and the new one may very well be the first one I don't purchase but we'll see.

[Ninja Stan]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Except as Stan would tell us, BioWare isn't our friend. They are a business and there is nothing more to it. We were never more than a number on a receipt. That was my mistake.

That is absolutely correct. BioWare as a corporate entity is not and cannot be your friend. It exists solely to create, promote, and sell games. Friendship is not the relationship you have with that sort of entity because it cannot publicly reciprocate your openness, adoration, or loyalty. It can, however, accept feedback from a variety of sources to analyze and process when it comes time to create future products.

Neither can I, as an individual, address or influence a fanbase, since it is a nebulous, diverse entity that exists far beyond the scope of the BSN and the internet, encompassing thousands, perhaps millions, of gamers around the world who have purchased and enjoyed Mass Effect.

I actually thought BioWare has always had a special relationship with it's fans. I was wrong. I know my place now.

Here, you are partially correct. Individual BioWare developers enjoy participating in forum discussions. You can see the likes of Allan Schumacher, John Epler, and David Gaider posting daily in the Dragon Age 3 forum. Bryan Johnson, Derek Hollan, and Eric Fagnan, are active in the ME3 MP forum. And Chris Priestly pops into threads in different forums when he's got something to say or when certain discussions interest him.

These developers and BioWarians represent BioWare, but they are not BioWare, the same way that you, RocketManSR2, are part of the fanbase but are not necessarily representative of the fanbase, and definitely are not the entire fanbase.

BioWare as a company can only communicate via official channels and press releases and official announcements. When Chris Priestly posts statements and announcements, that's BioWare talking. When Chris chats with the community as his own, evil self, that's him talking. When you are talking about BioWare, you are speaking in generalities and encompassing the entire company, much of which likely has nothing to do with the criticisms and requests you're making, but you are free to make requests, suggestions, and ask questions of it anyway. If they are addressed, it will likely be by individual BioWarians

It can be a confusing dichotomy, but it is an important distinction and exists for important reasons.

[Dragoonlordz]

llllshadowllll wrote...

It's because people don't care anymore, the old fanbase won't throw anymore money on Mass Effect games, myself included.

I am the old fanbase aswell and I do plan on throwing more money at Bioware, ME products plus given what know about DA3 my money will also be thrown at that if all goes well too. As long as they keep making games I gain enjoyment out of then I will keep buying them. I do not have to like every single aspect of every single game to gain some enjoyment, that is where did I enjoy it enough for the money I spent aquiring it.

So far almost all Bioware games have done so with only couple exceptions but even those couple fell into that criteria and became within that enjoyment vs cost once priced dropped. As it stands right now I believe DA3 will be worth day one price, ME4 or whichever name goes by I think might also be so. The next DLC I think should give me enough enjoyment for my money but will have to wait and see what the price is first and how much content and how much enjoyed it post release as to whether feel was worth price paid.

Even if they do not make something I enjoy for initial price, I am not shackled to one developer. I buy from any that have a game lined up that might interest me. I judge each game on my enjoyment of them for the price I paid and so far I have rarely been disappointed by Biowares games including ME3 which I enjoyed quite a lot. DA2 I did not enjoy that much but was worth picking up year later once more when priced dropped and I picked up all the SP DLC at that time for due to how cheap the core title cost me I felt was worth investing to check them out and I was glad I did because I quite enjoyed them.

When a Bioware looks like making a product that I do not think interests me for example SwToR or C&C then I skip it and buy something else, I never write off any developer just because might not be interested in some games some might release and it does not mean their next one would be of no interest just because last one was

As of right now ME3's next DLC is of interest to me as it is story related and I enjoyed the core title, DA3 is of interest to me for many reasons mostly based on what heard so far even if not everything heard fills me with glee and I imagine ME4 could also be of interest to me depending on the details of it when they start releasing information about the product. Suffice to say ME3 did not by any means put me off future ME products.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 02 février 2013 - 07:43 .