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[Leg3nd4t0ld]

Solomace wrote...

What exactly is the point your trying to get across? Pugs suck? Don't do Pugs?

You state you have friends to play with, but you like pugs for the excitement? What's the excitement aspect to a pug? Surely you finishing top at level 12 and doing most of the work is the excitement you crave from a pug, otherwise I am not sure what the difference is between a pug and having a team of friends. Wouldn't the excitement be playing on Plat or playing with a different toon and weapons etc?

Not sure if you play on a PC or not, but I have been Pugging since Multi went live on my PC and 9 out of 10 matches, everyone chips in and does what they should do to complete missions or extract.

Every now and then you get someone who is not capable of doing gold and starts to effect the team, however it doesn't stop me from doing my best and trying to extract and I defo don't come to these forums to moan about pugs as everyone knows with pugs that you roll the dice and take your chance.

I tend to leave a bad group after extraction and join another one or host one, but I know that I am taking a risk with Pugs, but so far after nearly a year of playing, I don't have any issues with Pugs.

Are you on the PC? From reading the 1000s of posts like yours, it does seem to be Playstation and Xboxers that have the most issues with Pugs. I don't know that for a fact, but a thread I did a few months ago, about not having any issues people have with Pugs, was answered by a lot of people concurring, especially PC players.

On xbox yes. This game is a lot harder on console so it is understandable that the pugs are bad, they weren't this bad before though, a lot of silver and bronze players greedy for unlocks come to gold to leech off others, WAY overstepping their skill boundries. I don't know what it's like on PC, I only played it a couple times on the computer, but this is what I deal with. Just now I had another game where I finished 200k + and the team had nothing in the score, but they were GOOD pugs, they did the objective, didn't bleed out, didn't die to much, and it was generally an enjoyable experience. The only point you could take from this was a minor rant and perhaps promoting pugs to use their consumables and play the objective more.

Modifié par Leg3nd4t0ld, 01 février 2013 - 02:38 .

[joseardzm]

HinDae wrote...

I think some forget that Gold is the only thing viable for getting decent credits to get JEPs, so more and more players go to it. Silver gets you 1, but often time if you need to play Silver, you'll be wasting all of the consumables you get trying to get more, its a vicious cycle.

Also they cant help it if your good at the game, others get complacent when theres 1 or 2 guys stomping the opposition on the team, and don't feel the need to revive or missile.

While I consider my self a bit better than the average player.... this is true.

For Silver I can most of the times go without consumables... that gets me 34k. And for gold I cant go through it without consumables. 

So if I have consumables and ~16k credits they cycle goes like this:

Gold -> full extract 83k+15k = 99k buy PSP, current credits 0
Silver -> buy Jumbo Pack, current creidts 1000
Gold -> full extract, consumables lost, credits 83k
Silver -> full extract, 126k, buy PSP , current credits 27k

This is if the pug is good, I cant solo Silver, let alone Gold! so if the pugs are bad I need to play more silvers before jumping to golds

[kira28]

Pugs dont understand all the intricacies in mass effect multiplayer. This game does not come with a manual for how to play multiplayer. Alot of people use rockets only at extraction and dont help during objectives but so what maybe they dont play often.

Just do what i do - treat them as decoys and when they get down close to you pick them up but otherwise go about your own way.

When your playing with good people on gold you will have to try hard to actually find an enemy to kill. Enjoy your time with the randoms.

I look for gold randoms for platinum games if that makese sense. I put it on UUG then switch to Platinum when someone with a good loadout comes in. I find gold has the best players.

Modifié par kira28, 01 février 2013 - 02:56 .

[Leg3nd4t0ld]

kira28 wrote...

Pugs dont understand all the intricacies in mass effect multiplayer. This game does not come with a manual for how to play multiplayer. Alot of people use rockets only at extraction and dont help during objectives but so what maybe they dont play often.

Just do what i do - treat them as decoys and when they get down close to you pick them up but otherwise go about your own way.

When your playing with good people on gold you will have to try hard to actually find an enemy to kill. Enjoy your time with the randoms.

I agree fully, the best pugs are decoys that revive each other and help with the objective. When I play with my friends the games go fast and I rarely top 200k, so in between the speed runs I play pugs, but I would still wish to encourage them to use consumables and help with the objective.

Modifié par Leg3nd4t0ld, 01 février 2013 - 02:58 .

[xyzmkrysvr]

Dear OP,

We appreciate your interest in the N7 Program. However, since you are a whiny complainer you won't be eligible to join our elite ranks until you get an attitude check.

The brave men and women who serve in the Interplanetary Combatives Training program do not "give up" when the going gets tough. An N7 soldier does not look down his nose at his brothers and sisters in arms or call them "leechers".

You lack the required leadership and cooperative skills to excel in our program. Kindly go back to single player.

[LightRobot]

kira28 wrote...

Pugs dont understand all the intricacies in mass effect multiplayer. This game does not come with a manual for how to play multiplayer. Alot of people use rockets only at extraction and dont help during objectives but so what maybe they dont play often.

Just do what i do - treat them as decoys and when they get down close to you pick them up but otherwise go about your own way.

When your playing with good people on gold you will have to try hard to actually find an enemy to kill. Enjoy your time with the randoms.

I look for gold randoms for platinum games if that makese sense. I put it on UUG then switch to Platinum when someone with a good loadout comes in. I find gold has the best players.

Agreed, Im' not sure when it started but goold has more and more good players, if you're in a team of 4 good players then one of your main concern will be : being able to kill ennemies before your teammate does.
It's a good thing, now when playing gold pug I know I will probably extract 9 out of 10 times maybe more, and half of the time it'll be a full extraction. Really couldn't say that a few month ago

Modifié par LightRobot, 01 février 2013 - 03:14 .

[R0binME]

joseardzm wrote...

HinDae wrote...

I think some forget that Gold is the only thing viable for getting decent credits to get JEPs, so more and more players go to it. Silver gets you 1, but often time if you need to play Silver, you'll be wasting all of the consumables you get trying to get more, its a vicious cycle.

Also they cant help it if your good at the game, others get complacent when theres 1 or 2 guys stomping the opposition on the team, and don't feel the need to revive or missile.

While I consider my self a bit better than the average player.... this is true.

For Silver I can most of the times go without consumables... that gets me 34k. And for gold I cant go through it without consumables. 

So if I have consumables and ~16k credits they cycle goes like this:

Gold -> full extract 83k+15k = 99k buy PSP, current credits 0
Silver -> buy Jumbo Pack, current creidts 1000
Gold -> full extract, consumables lost, credits 83k
Silver -> full extract, 126k, buy PSP , current credits 27k

This is if the pug is good, I cant solo Silver, let alone Gold! so if the pugs are bad I need to play more silvers before jumping to golds

Stack up on consumables for awhile, get rockets/gel/ops/clips to 255 each and loads gear and stuff. Then start farming gold for a longer time until they've started going low again. Repeat the cycle.

On topic, get friends, start soloing or keep going with pugs. Three options, make your pick.

[Simba501]

 It's been really hard for me to find good Gold pugs on PS3.  I often find myself alone on as early as wave 4.  Every now and then, I find a good team, but it's a headache most of the time.  I'm not one who enjoys solo.

[_sigge_]

I played a game where I had 5 times higher score than the volus at the bottom. Still I loved that volus. He saved me from so many bad situations and enabled me to keep filling ripper heads with Harrier lead.

Yes you can score big with a volus, yes it can be annoying playing pugs, but your e-peen score doesn't show squat, op. Score is worth zero in this game, unless you want to play the high scorer meta drinking game.

[gavgav77]

The worst thing about pugs for me is trouble I have just completing a mission. I only play silver pugs now, usually to level up a recently promoted character. I simply can't pug on gold any more (N7 rank <100 with an Avenger I and no gear equipped, anyone?), it's usually just a waste of consumables.

But even on silver, the problem is loss of connection/host quitting. I seriously get it about 2/3 of the games I join. Every time I get booted back to the main menu having wasted the past 3-6 waves.

[Leg3nd4t0ld]

_sigge_ wrote...

I played a game where I had 5 times higher score than the volus at the bottom. Still I loved that volus. He saved me from so many bad situations and enabled me to keep filling ripper heads with Harrier lead.

Yes you can score big with a volus, yes it can be annoying playing pugs, but your e-peen score doesn't show squat, op. Score is worth zero in this game, unless you want to play the high scorer meta drinking game.

Rather off topic? These player had good scores, but were terrible teammates.

[Leg3nd4t0ld]

winawer wrote...

The worst thing about pugs for me is trouble I have just completing a mission. I only play silver pugs now, usually to level up a recently promoted character. I simply can't pug on gold any more (N7 rank <100 with an Avenger I and no gear equipped, anyone?), it's usually just a waste of consumables.

But even on silver, the problem is loss of connection/host quitting. I seriously get it about 2/3 of the games I join. Every time I get booted back to the main menu having wasted the past 3-6 waves.

You should trying clearing system cache and restarting your router more often

[HoochieHamiltoe]

OP, I am on your friend list if you ever want to get in a game.

[Daxamite]

Rib0flavin wrote...

I have been playing in PUGs my whole ME3 mp career , I have never seen anyone score 200k with four people in a gold pug. PC?

I dont think ive ever seen anyone get over 150k. most of the time the top score is see is 90-130k. But i never see anyone rushing to nuke spawns 

[GriM_AoD]

PhoenixUK wrote...

Rib0flavin wrote...

I have been playing in PUGs my whole ME3 mp career , I have never seen anyone score 200k with four people in a gold pug. PC?

I dont think ive ever seen anyone get over 150k. most of the time the top score is see is 90-130k. But i never see anyone rushing to nuke spawns 

Really? I regulalry clear 130/150k, Surely it's not uncommon?
I don't usually bother nuking spawns.  One main exception (Wave 7[?] collectors - 3 possesed scions - DIE)



Edit - (The best I can recall is about 280k, but one guy did quit/lose connection late wave9 and I was a Fury in a bad mood and the enemy was Reapers xP)

2nd Edit - stupid spelling, stupid 't' key 

Modifié par GriM_AoD, 01 février 2013 - 04:12 .

[IIFlash]

ichyscrachy wrote...

Tripled the other scores. Let me guess-you were hosting?

This, too many people post screenshots or scores and neglect to mention whether or not it was their host.
People that are used to lag don't have an issue with it until it gets exceptionally bad, but people that hardly ever play with lag will have their ability to play significantly affected.

That's not to say that a lot of people can't play or shouldn't be playing higher difficulties though. 

[JacensGame]

Its MP and co-op not versus. Work as a team. When i play a match and nobody is mic'd up. I follow them. Play support. Let them take the lead and then i clear their flanks. Score means crap. Everyone has to learn and you have to play gold to learn gold. The difficulty increase from silver to gold is ridiculous.

Another example on why score means crap. 2 friends of mine and i are waitin for a 4th. He drops in and is mic'd we can tell right of the bat he is experienced N7 score challenge score. And the wraith X he is sportin. He is playin turian. I had the 50 assist medal on wave frackin 3. He was using incendiary ammo and burstin with overload.

He had 180 i had 100k and my 2 friends both 65k. There wasnt a die fest. They didnt leach. We got the 5 waves survived before the first death on the wave 6 escort.

My point being. That if you outgun your teammates to that level. Where they can try their hardest but they can kill as quick as you. Then obviously you are going to outscore them. What you should be doing is playing like a teammate. Stand with them. Instead of pick off the adds that are stomping them and runnin your score up. You should be helping them live. Oh and use your mic. Most newer players are nervous to be the first to talk. But a quick "hey your going to get stomped there move over here" will go along way.

[IIFlash]

CNevarezN wrote...

Being a good PUG player means destroying everything you see and keeping those PUGs alive.

In my experience this is the best way when playing PUG, your teammates can't die if there isn't any enemies to kill them.

But since maxing my manifest I have no need to go to this length or to carry bums that don't gel on late/objective waves and would rather watch someone else play the game like it's a TV show. If they don't put in the effort I'll bleed out as well, or just quit.

[Leg3nd4t0ld]

How do people read this and somehow come to the conclusion it was about score? These pugs had very decent scores, that was part of the point. And FYI to those who talk about nuking spawns, unlike some people, I can manage to score decently without abusing my missiles.

Modifié par Leg3nd4t0ld, 01 février 2013 - 04:33 .

[Leg3nd4t0ld]

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

OP, I am on your friend list if you ever want to get in a game.

I think I recall playing with you, but I must have had about 1500 ms ping. Kinda hard to do anything with that. I have a strong prefference to hosting mate

[ilaardi]

After way over thousand PUG games I agree that somekind (small) minimum restrictions would only make this game better. Start with bronze open only, play few games and silver unlocks and so on up to platinum.

[IIFlash]

JacensGame wrote...

My point being. That if you outgun your teammates to that level. Where they can try their hardest but they can kill as quick as you. Then obviously you are going to outscore them.  

Snipped the rest.
Agree with this. A lot of people seem to think high score = carry, but this is not always the case.
If the scores OP posted were from a 15-20 minute game then it is simply a more aggressive player killing everything before others get a chance to. But say if it's 30+ minutes then it's turning more into a solo time and either their teammates were bleeding out and leaving them to solo waves or they simply were to putting out enough damage to make an impact.

[Leg3nd4t0ld]

IIFlash wrote...

JacensGame wrote...

My point being. That if you outgun your teammates to that level. Where they can try their hardest but they can kill as quick as you. Then obviously you are going to outscore them.  

Snipped the rest.
Agree with this. A lot of people seem to think high score = carry, but this is not always the case.
If the scores OP posted were from a 15-20 minute game then it is simply a more aggressive player killing everything before others get a chance to. But say if it's 30+ minutes then it's turning more into a solo time and either their teammates were bleeding out and leaving them to solo waves or they simply were to putting out enough damage to make an impact.

The one from yesterday was 31 minutes. Had a similiar game today
227145
96157
92235
51582

but this one was 21 minutes. I surely didn't do anything different, so maybe it was just the pugs were **** yesterday and good today, their scores aren't much different but scores don't really matter, it comes down to how well they stayed alive, did the objective, mashed A so that I could get to them and wouldn't have to solo 2 or 3 waves adding an extra 10 minutes or so to the game.

I feel that your logic is somewhat flawed.

Modifié par Leg3nd4t0ld, 01 février 2013 - 04:50 .

[Leg3nd4t0ld]

ilaardi wrote...

After way over thousand PUG games I agree that somekind (small) minimum restrictions would only make this game better. Start with bronze open only, play few games and silver unlocks and so on up to platinum.

Something like that yes. It would not eliminate leeching entirely, but would at least guarantee some familiarity with the game.

[Zkyire]

Leg3nd4t0ld wrote...

I just played a game as a level 12 Krogan soldier, the results (mine at the top) =

221 912
  70 643
  69 271
  66 112

Now I am not saying these are bad scores for a gold pug game, but only one of the pugs used a single medigel and a single missle. I had to do all the objectives and I had to solo 2 waves because I could not revive them all the time as it was Hazard Giant, which is a pretty big map, and they had grouped up and were getting stomped on together.

At the end of the game I was going to shrug this off, because to be honest it has become quite normal for me. But why should this be normal? How is it fair that I have to use an extra effort and extra equipment just so we can make extraction? I'm pretty sure I am not the only one who feels this way or who has to endure this.

A lot of this would be helped if there were some sort of minimun restriction for people who join gold games, but I doubt that is possible or likely to happen, maybe for future ME games? Anyway that was my little rant.

P.S. If you doubt the scores I can post a picture.

I don't care about scores too much, moreso their actions.

If they're simply not an exceptional player; I can't be annoyed with them.

If they flat out refuse to use their medi-gel or missiles I'll bloody rage.