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Sylvius the Mad

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Nerevar-as wrote...

So evolution in Thedas follows Lamark rules? Really interesting.

Having thicker soles may well be a selection criterion.  Thin-soled elves might be bred out of the population as a result of being less successful providers.

And going barefoot their whole lives will product thinker soles, just as children today have larger thumbs than children did 50 years ago (as they exercise their thumbs more through the use of electronic devices, so they grow more).

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The naked feet never made much sense to me. If there's an in game reason sort of like Mr. Priestly mentioned then... okay? I dunno though, DA elves never felt PARTICULARLY hippy to me. It feels gimmicky.

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The Teryn of Whatever wrote...

syllogi wrote...

Does DA2 retcon Zevran's boots?


He is half-Dalish on his mother's side and was raised as a City Elf. Why would he be barefoot?

From now on Zevran will only wear a boot on his right foot.

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I would prefer that there be elves with shoes and elves without shoes. I don't really agree that elves not wearing shoes shows that they are remaining one with nature. I go barefoot a majority of the time, but seriously I'm not crazy enough to walk in an area with sharp objects without foot covering. The only way I could see the sense of no shoes on elves is if they actually are in the woods. Elves in Kirkwall with no shoes, to me, does not make much sense because of that environment (rock covered walkways in the city, rock strewn country side, and broken shell covered coasts.)

Modifié par DreGregoire, 31 janvier 2013 - 11:06 .


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Sylvius the Mad wrote...
just as children today have larger thumbs than children did 50 years ago (as they exercise their thumbs more through the use of electronic devices, so they grow more).


Wait, what?!!?  Is this true, or are you just taking the ******?  I can never tell w/ either you or Didymos, Sylvius. I suck at forum sarcasm detection.  If this is true, why on Earth do you know this?

Away to google, and may the truth be revealed!


edit- just looked it up... Our thumbs ARE getting bigger and stronger.  Crazy.

Modifié par Blue Gloves, 31 janvier 2013 - 11:30 .


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Sylvius the Mad

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DreGregoire wrote...

I don't really agree that elves not wearing shoes shows that they are remaining one with nature.

In fact, the very suggestion that it might relies on what I think is an ill-conceived definition of "nature".

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I doubt thicker feet soles make for an evolution criteria. Don´t see any survival advantage there. I also feel sorry for children before their soles thicken. And poor Merrill and broken bottles. (I think she also commented about missing shoes in some maps).

I hope we can make caltrop traps in DA:I, they are going to be useful whenever we meet Dalish.

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The Teryn of Whatever wrote...

syllogi wrote...

Does DA2 retcon Zevran's boots?


He is half-Dalish on his mother's side and was raised as a City Elf. Why would he be barefoot? For that matter why is Fenris? Merrill gets a pass just on account of the whole "people of the forest" trope. I don't even remember if the other Dalish in DA2 had boots or not.

Also, it's only a retcon if they went back and outright said that in DA:O Zevran never wore boots. Retcon= retroactive continuity, but I assume you already knew that.


Yes, I was facetiously asking if the boots we gave Zevran in DA:O retroactively ceased to exist after DA2 established shoeless elves as canon.

I think both Zevran and Fenris would be pro-boots, but I'm pretty much one hundred percent anti barefoot elves.  It makes no sense, except to set elves apart from humans visually.  Dalish elves wear armor, and somehow they aren't less connected to nature.  City elves walk around on cobbled streets, and common sense says that poor people care more about protecting their extremities from harm or staying warm, than some sort of tribute to a past they barely know anything about.

They could have pretty, elven designed shoes.  That would be different.

Modifié par syllogi, 31 janvier 2013 - 11:40 .


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Nerevar-as wrote...

I doubt thicker feet soles make for an evolution criteria.

Anything that influences the likelihood or frequency of breeding is an evolutionary criterion.

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Cersei wisdom is wise.

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syllogi wrote...
Dalish elves wear armor, and somehow they aren't less connected to nature. 

And now I'm picturing the Dalish as a race of wandering nudists.  :pinched:

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Addai67 wrote...

syllogi wrote...
Dalish elves wear armor, and somehow they aren't less connected to nature. 

And now I'm picturing the Dalish as a race of wandering nudists.  :pinched:

Is that a bad thing? That sounds like a good thing.

I like boots. If elves wear boots, that works for me. I can't say I didn't feel tremendously sorry for Merrill when I ended up taking her into a sewer. I don't think that's an aspect of nature she wants to be closer to.

Modifié par bleetman, 01 février 2013 - 12:00 .


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Chris Priestly wrote...

I quite liked them walking barefoot. I felt (and this is my opinion, I've never asked a designer) that it was because they were such a "nature" race. Wanting to be so intouch with nature, the idea of wearing shoes would seperate them from the earth they loved, so they go barefoot. And after generations as well as being raised that way from childbirth, their soles are basically as thick as boots anyways.

Even city elves continued to wear no boots as a lingering vestige of their ties to their past, one of the few things that couldn't be taken away from them.



:devil:

Do the Dalish also have a special connection to snow in the winter? 

As for city elves....walking about in a medieval-ish city barefoot.....yuck!

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

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The elves not wearing shoes is a design choice--I presumed Fenris did not wear shoes because he was unrefined and rather animalistic, and Merrill did not wear shoes because of the nature thing. It might not make practical sense, but design choices don't always need to...

...but in this case I think they should. "I don't wear shoes to be one with nature" makes me scoff, personally. Why are they wearing clothes, then? Shouldn't their necks feel the sun; their backs, the wind? It's just immediately silly in my eyes, and a really goofy way to show a character's nature affections. Kind of like showing Merrill singing with birds to show her communing with nature.

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Lenimph wrote...

It really only makes sense for Dalish elfs in my opinion. It was just stupid otherwise.


It doesn't make sense for the Dalish, either. Realistically, the Dalish should wear shoes. It was stupid both ways.

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Chris Priestly wrote...

I quite liked them walking barefoot. I felt (and this is my opinion, I've never asked a designer) that it was because they were such a "nature" race. Wanting to be so intouch with nature, the idea of wearing shoes would seperate them from the earth they loved, so they go barefoot. And after generations as well as being raised that way from childbirth, their soles are basically as thick as boots anyways.

Even city elves continued to wear no boots as a lingering vestige of their ties to their past, one of the few things that couldn't be taken away from them.



:devil:

That makes no sense.
They had boots in origins.
Anyway I found it so distracting I had find mods for Fenris And Merill.
I wondered what happened to the dalish during the blight to make them mutate,get welsh accents and stop wearing shoes.   

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 01 février 2013 - 01:01 .


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I dunno. I felt that it lent Fenris a certain levity that he ordinarily did not possess. I mean, every time I saw him stride across a battlefield, wielding that giant sword with those skinny arms, wearing very nice armor everywhere except his feet and totally not worried about stepping on anything sharp or poisoned or caustic, I couldn't help but laugh.

As for Merril, well ... girl's not all there, you know? Lights are on, but nobody's home.

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I don't want boots back for elves. Maybe sole-less, I don't know. It made them more unique, besides, feels like Frodo.

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Chris Priestly wrote...
Even city elves continued to wear no boots as a lingering vestige of their ties to their past, one of the few things that couldn't be taken away from them.



:devil:

You can take away their freedom... but you can't take away their - no shoes outfit?

Is it suppose to some sort of orange revolution? 'No shoes' to symbolise their unity against the government? 

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andar91 wrote...

God, I hated this. I realize it's easy to miss, but it's just so silly.


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Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

I doubt thicker feet soles make for an evolution criteria.

Anything that influences the likelihood or frequency of breeding is an evolutionary criterion.


What's all this talk about evolution in Thedas -- elves have thick soles because the Maker made them that way!  Heathens!  

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Chris Priestly wrote...

I quite liked them walking barefoot. I felt (and this is my opinion, I've never asked a designer) that it was because they were such a "nature" race. Wanting to be so intouch with nature, the idea of wearing shoes would seperate them from the earth they loved, so they go barefoot. And after generations as well as being raised that way from childbirth, their soles are basically as thick as boots anyways.

Even city elves continued to wear no boots as a lingering vestige of their ties to their past, one of the few things that couldn't be taken away from them.



:devil:


But Tallis had boots or was that sanctioned by the Qun? :lol:

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No offense to Bioware,but I seriously think they are just messing with us.
Like how they managed to mispronounce nearly every irish name in origins.
Or how they said Witch Hunt would solve our curiosity about the OGB.

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Melca36 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I quite liked them walking barefoot. I felt (and this is my opinion, I've never asked a designer) that it was because they were such a "nature" race. Wanting to be so intouch with nature, the idea of wearing shoes would seperate them from the earth they loved, so they go barefoot. And after generations as well as being raised that way from childbirth, their soles are basically as thick as boots anyways.

Even city elves continued to wear no boots as a lingering vestige of their ties to their past, one of the few things that couldn't be taken away from them.



:devil:


But Tallis had boots or was that sanctioned by the Qun? :lol:

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BigBad wrote...

I dunno. I felt that it lent Fenris a certain levity that he ordinarily did not possess. I mean, every time I saw him stride across a battlefield, wielding that giant sword with those skinny arms, wearing very nice armor everywhere except his feet and totally not worried about stepping on anything sharp or poisoned or caustic, I couldn't help but laugh.

As for Merril, well ... girl's not all there, you know? Lights are on, but nobody's home.


It had nothing to do with the characters. It was an arbitrary decision by the artists, that some of the writers were vocally displeased with.