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[AresKeith]

BirdsallSa wrote...

StElmo wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

There's a difference between being unhappy with a purchase and disappointed with a producer and being consumed by negativity. You don't have to become a mindless sheep and go pour your money into EA's wallets to avoid being the latter.

I mean... All Hail The Intelligence!

But I like mass effect, so Im going to. Making it simple. None of this stupid philosophizing about a game company.

Leave that to who to vote for in an election.

Just because something has the Mass Effect label on it, doesn't make it Mass Effect.

That's like when a few posters said months back, "You hate ME3, so you hate all of ME"

[xAmilli0n]

Thats good OP.  I know it took me a while to get over it.  But there is nothing good in continually obsessing over the negative.   Enjoy your game.

[StElmo]

AresKeith wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

StElmo wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

There's a difference between being unhappy with a purchase and disappointed with a producer and being consumed by negativity. You don't have to become a mindless sheep and go pour your money into EA's wallets to avoid being the latter.

I mean... All Hail The Intelligence!

But I like mass effect, so Im going to. Making it simple. None of this stupid philosophizing about a game company.

Leave that to who to vote for in an election.

Just because something has the Mass Effect label on it, doesn't make it Mass Effect.

That's like when a few posters said months back, "You hate ME3, so you hate all of ME"

Not saying that at all.

I'm saying ME3 still gives me that feeling, I only just rediscovered after I cleansed myself of sillyness.

[StayFrosty05]

I won't reach 'acceptance' as I find nothing satifying about the end to accept....I am still around the Forum occasionally now, getting less and less due only to a small (tiny) hope springs eternal perception that maybe, just maybe BW may change their minds and give us a real ending....but if this hasn't happened by the final DLC, I will be out for good.

I have stopped playing ME now and just can't find the interest in doing so anymore....very recently my PC needed a major overhaul and have had to re-install everything, what I have noticed is I just haven't bothered and can't be bothered to re-install my ME games....just absolute zero interesting in doing so.

Have lost complete interest in ME4 also...all in all have lost interest in BW games....once burnt twice shy...I just don't trust BW anymore.

Basically if ME isn't sorted out, I won't be 'accepting'...just 'giving up'....no ongoing upset, just quietly walk away and let it go.

Am still getting my Garrus Statue for my Birthday though.......will always remember and love Garrus...

Modifié par StayFrosty05, 31 janvier 2013 - 04:45 .

[Steelcan]

I enjoyed the rest of the game enough so that the ending isn't a franchise killer for me.

That said I will not be pre-ordering the next BioWare game

Modifié par Steelcan, 31 janvier 2013 - 04:45 .

[AresKeith]

StElmo wrote...

Not saying that at all.

I'm saying ME3 still gives me that feeling, I only just rediscovered after I cleansed myself of sillyness.

"cleansed myself of silliness"

Don't get me wrong OP, I'm glad you can find enjoyment in ME3 again

And yes some people did take things too far when it came to criticizing ME3, but we can and will still give criticism towards it and that goes for the ending also

[Jadebaby]

Mouton_Alpha wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

Stage 5: Acceptance

My post of the day.

+1.

If all goes down the stinkhole after the last DLC release. There's always MEHEM.

[_Heather_Shepard_]

I learned never to pre-order a game from them again. I won't be accepting something that has caused so much disappointment.

And I agree. Damage has already been done.

[StayFrosty05]

Steelcan wrote...

I enjoyed the rest of the game enough so that the ending isn't a franchise killer for me.

That said I will not be pre-ordering the next BioWare game

I will eventually probably just run it as a good Shooter again one day, but no longer invested in the story or the characters....No ME4 or on though.

Modifié par StayFrosty05, 31 janvier 2013 - 04:51 .

[Linkforlife]

To be fair, I was not angry at BioWare, I was disappointed because of their past successes, such as: Knights of the Old Republic, Neverwinter Nights, Baldur's Gate, Dragon Age Origins, all were fantastic games, even ME1 and 2 were good and ended on a good (note I did not say happy) note, but we enjoyed those games because of the story in each, the very thing BioWare became known for.

Let's be honest, the games mentioned above did not have the most memorable gameplay, but their stories captivated us, especially with gems like Dragon Age and KotOR. The thing I was most disappointed about with ME3 was the lack of a clear villain, ME1 had Saren and Sovereign, both were tied together beautifully, Dragon Age had Loghain, who we hated, but at the same time we loved him. KotOR had Malak, another great villain we loathed especially after Taris. ME3 had TIM, who was indoctrinated and no scenes where he talked to Shepard resolved anything, it was just him rambling, it had the Reapers and, in the last 10 minutes, they added ghost boy. Harbinger was clearly set up to the antagonist from the second game and he was given next to nothing in the final part of the trilogy.

Again, I do not hate BioWare, I still love their games, I am just disappointed in ME3. And yes, I know it was rushed out the door, but that can be said with a lot of games nowadays.

[Hjelsao]

Good for you, OP. I did the same. The time of hate is over. The time of love must take its place.

[StElmo]

AresKeith wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Not saying that at all.

I'm saying ME3 still gives me that feeling, I only just rediscovered after I cleansed myself of sillyness.

"cleansed myself of silliness"

Don't get me wrong OP, I'm glad you can find enjoyment in ME3 again

And yes some people did take things too far when it came to criticizing ME3, but we can and will still give criticism towards it and that goes for the ending also

Nothing wrong with saying "I didn't like the ending" but lingering around and making a million posts and talking about the same thing - not constructive and just sucks people into an abuss of negativity.

I just paid mah money for Leviathan and Omega and am gonna restart ME3 with my best ever female femshep

[AresKeith]

StElmo wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Not saying that at all.

I'm saying ME3 still gives me that feeling, I only just rediscovered after I cleansed myself of sillyness.

"cleansed myself of silliness"

Don't get me wrong OP, I'm glad you can find enjoyment in ME3 again

And yes some people did take things too far when it came to criticizing ME3, but we can and will still give criticism towards it and that goes for the ending also

Nothing wrong with saying "I didn't like the ending" but lingering around and making a million posts and talking about the same thing - not constructive and just sucks people into an abuss of negativity.

I just paid mah money for Leviathan and Omega and am gonna restart ME3 with my best ever female femshep

I'm glad you can StElmo

But ME3 will always be a shadow of what it should have been to me

[Ticonderoga117]

Why should I embrace bad writing? Why should I embrace developers who told outright lies? Why should I embrace a game that is based on ideas that I abhor (Cutting important story content off to make money ala From Ashes, meaningless micro-transactions, and multiplayer locking off SP content just to name the big ones)?

No.

[CronoDragoon]

I was pretty upset right after I finished the original game (as upset as I could get towards a story at least) and I think that the general idea of the Retake movement was justified (and accomplished). But I think it's neurotic to still be really upset and depressed about this almost a year later.

I feel bad that some people are willing to write off BioWare for this, because regardless of a sucky ending they still have the most consistent quality story-telling wise of any dev that I know. Even the worst BioWare story is better than all but a few games out there right now.

[AresKeith]

CronoDragoon wrote...

I was pretty upset right after I finished the original game (as upset as I could get towards a story at least) and I think that the general idea of the Retake movement was justified (and accomplished). But I think it's neurotic to still be really upset and depressed about this almost a year later.

I feel bad that some people are willing to write off BioWare for this, because regardless of a sucky ending they still have the most consistent quality story-telling wise of any dev that I know. Even the worst BioWare story is better than all but a few games out there right now.

It wasn't just the ending I didn't like in ME3, tbh when I judge a game I don't factor in the ending

[Pressedcat]

StElmo wrote...

I made an apology thread to BW about how obsessively I posted mean spirited sounding things on BSN and the internet at large, because I got swept up in an ending controversy that was ultimately pointless given how I initially liked the endings of the games - yet for somesilly reason I started concentrating on little details and started turning into a stupid example of an internet denizen where negativity reigned supreme.

So right now I'm installing Mass Effect 3, EC going to buy Leviathan, Omega and going to tear through it, ready for the final DLC 

I'm going to forget about stupid Mass Effect 3 complaints that only made me add to a feedback loop. And I'm going to enjoy and escape this world

Why sit in a hovel of negativity when we can accept and let this universe continue

You can google my old posts if you wish, I started deleting some of them, but you can see how negative I was, I regret that. Because guess what? it just stopped me having fun.

There are inspirational people out there, like Gandhi and what was I doing? complaining about something because I let perception impressionabilty get to me. I liked ME3 when I first played it and I will like it again.

EA is an entertainment company, they aren't screwing our coral reefs, heck they aren't even importing minerals from the congo to make the damn machines we play these games on! They aren't sending drones into pakistan that kill children and create terrorist sympathisers, they aren't taking away our liberty.

EDIT: I would like to clarify I never made personal attacks or anything as far as I'm aware, always been against that. But I am dissapointed the tone of my posts brought me down to negative space and that sucks.

An eminently sensible attitude.

Believe it or not, I was really disapointed with ME2 when it first came out. I didn't make too many posts on the forums at the time, but I did feed off of some of the negativity that was posted, and complained to a couple of my gamer mates. Instead of hanging round the forums and getting more embittered, I wondered off after a couple of months and played a few other games. A year or so later, I ended up watching a few engineer vids on YouTube by ThatAverageGatsby, and soon after picked up some of the dlc in a sale. Whether it was the extra content, or simply less overblown expectations, I found myself really enjoying the playthrough. Some of the problems I had with the game niggled still, but I came away from that second playthrough far more positive with the series and able to appreciate the many great aspects of ME2.

With any luck, you'll be able to find enough positives in ME3 to get similar closure.

[JamieCOTC]

crimzontearz wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

People literally logged on forums to make bioware feel bad about themselves. Now devs consider forums toxic.

Damage is done.

there is faults on both sides


 
Decent developers apologized sincerely for the shortcomings of the game...but not the public faces of ME3, they refused any discussion

I suppose the EC is an acknowledgement of sorts from BW that fans were not happy w/ the original endings.  And to be fair, the EC takes the ending from being completely broken to the acceptable realm of "I still don't like it, but it's not completely broken."

[Kroitz]

StElmo wrote...

EA is an entertainment company, they aren't screwing our coral reefs, heck they aren't even importing minerals from the congo to make the damn machines we play these games on! They aren't sending drones into pakistan that kill children and create terrorist sympathisers, they aren't taking away our liberty.

Stage 6: Righteousness

Stage 7: Sensationalist-Attention-Seeking

Modifié par Kroitz, 31 janvier 2013 - 05:51 .

[futurepixels]

Thread is still going to turn into an ending hate thread.

[Anacronian Stryx]

You're all suffering from Battered wife syndrome, The whole "ehh what can be done" shows that.

Gods i wish the gaming industry had any sort of real journalism press, The constant lying, The plentoa of promises that haven't been kept and to top it all off Bioware/EA have the gall to behave like it's all their costumers fault, In any other industry or media the press would have been all over this but not in gaming ..noo in gaming everybody behave like the devs/producers are sacrament to real criticism.
 
Hell none of the "big" news stations have even commented on the fact Casey Hudson sat with a strait face and lied his pants off when he spoke of the ending to ME 3 nor about the lie told when they said they would rewrite and republish "Mass Effect Deception" - but hay the press was all over it when that idiot consumer filed a FTC complaint because that is a "good" story.

Understand this Bioware/EA is not your friends, They want your money and they want to put as little effort into getting your money as possible - This is all they want.

The forums are toxic because Bioware/EA made them toxic.

Modifié par Anacronian Stryx, 31 janvier 2013 - 06:09 .

[OdanUrr]

Welcome, OP, we have cookies.

[Applepie_Svk]

JamieCOTC wrote...



I suppose the EC is an acknowledgement of sorts from BW that fans were not happy w/ the original endings.  And to be fair, the EC takes the ending from being completely broken to the acceptable realm of "I still don't like it, but it's not completely broken."

For me it was always about being stupid, no differece betwen EC and OC...

[MHBILLS_Endurell]

Sorry- Bioware hasn't gotten another dime from me, and they won't so long as Starbrat and their A-B-C, deus-ex ripoff ending remains canon.

DLC: unpurchased, TOR account: cancelled, Mass Effect games: unplayed since April. Preorders: bahahaha! A grand total of $350 dollars that they will never see- and that's just year one.

I occasionally check in to see if the fires from the fallout are still burning, and....unsuprisingly...they are.

That's what happens when you lie to your customers, even little white lies. 

[UrgentArchengel]

Personally, some people went way over their heads with this...it's kind of getting to be a bit much, it's only a game that happens to be the final chapter in the epic ME Trilogy, it's not like the world is coming to an end. Sometimes you need to let go, and move on.