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[Taboo]

Actually people on the BSN have talked to me and still do.

I AM that weird.

It's a game, it doesn't reflect real life. People consistently thinking they are one and the same makes my head hurt.

And to clarify what I mean by that:

Life is more complex than what Bioware has given you. There are more opinions, facts and variables.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

I turned over a new leaf when I decided to get more exercise.

[Taboo]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

I turned over a new leaf when I decided to get more exercise.

Are you calling MegaSovereign fat?

[ruggly]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

 Actual adulthood may be possible, after all.

DON'T DO IT, GROWING UP IS AWFUL!

[3DandBeyond]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

It's more of an internet issue. Faceless nature of the internet and all that.

REAL butthurt exists with some of the Miranda people though. True unadulterated butt hurt.

Before I post I subconsciously ask myself if I would be comfortable saying what I'm typing to someone.

Granted, I'm a bit of a free-spirit in the real world and some of the things I say gets some weird looks.

Ah yeah in real life I get into all kinds of discussions but it's more of a thing I do with people I know.  I'm lucky enough to know people that indulge me.  So, IRL I talk politics and religion and such, as well as about books and shows I like.

[deatharmonic]

StElmo wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Not saying that at all.

I'm saying ME3 still gives me that feeling, I only just rediscovered after I cleansed myself of sillyness.

"cleansed myself of silliness"

Don't get me wrong OP, I'm glad you can find enjoyment in ME3 again

And yes some people did take things too far when it came to criticizing ME3, but we can and will still give criticism towards it and that goes for the ending also

Nothing wrong with saying "I didn't like the ending" but lingering around and making a million posts and talking about the same thing - not constructive and just sucks people into an abuss of negativity.

I just paid mah money for Leviathan and Omega and am gonna restart ME3 with my best ever female femshep

It's kind of ironic you talk about millions of posts talking about the same thing, I've lost count of how many of these threads you've started now. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for constructive debate without overzelous hate but these threads feel so sickly and over the top, like the counterpart of those overzelous hate threads. It's great you feel positively about ME3, I think everyone on the forums knows that by now.

[AdmiralCheez]

ruggly wrote...

DON'T DO IT, GROWING UP IS AWFUL!

TOO LATE I'M ALREADY PAYING MY OWN BILLS AND STUFF

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Taboo-XX wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

I turned over a new leaf when I decided to get more exercise.

Are you calling MegaSovereign fat?

You tell me.

[CrazyRah]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

ruggly wrote...

DON'T DO IT, GROWING UP IS AWFUL!

TOO LATE I'M ALREADY PAYING MY OWN BILLS AND STUFF

HOW HORRIBLE! HOW DO YOU SURVIVE! :<

[TheRealJayDee]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Still tho I'm no longer hopelessly depressed and I'm working more on my own original stuff.  Actual adulthood may be possible, after all.

Yay, it's the Admiral - good to hear you kinda doing well!  

[Dr_Extrem]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

ruggly wrote...

DON'T DO IT, GROWING UP IS AWFUL!

TOO LATE I'M ALREADY PAYING MY OWN BILLS AND STUFF

**** .. does this mean i am grown up as well? ...

[ruggly]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

ruggly wrote...

DON'T DO IT, GROWING UP IS AWFUL!

TOO LATE I'M ALREADY PAYING MY OWN BILLS AND STUFF

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, BILLS AND STUFF ARE AWFUL AS WELL! I HAVE MY OWN PLACE NOW, UTILITY BILLS EVERYWHERE!

[MegaSovereign]

Taboo-XX wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

I turned over a new leaf when I decided to get more exercise.

Are you calling MegaSovereign fat?

I don't turn over leaves. I eat them.

[Maxster_]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Why should I embrace bad writing? Why should I embrace developers who told outright lies? Why should I embrace a game that is based on ideas that I abhor (Cutting important story content off to make money ala From Ashes, meaningless micro-transactions, and multiplayer locking off SP content just to name the big ones)?

No.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

I turned over a new leaf when I decided to get more exercise.

Are you calling MegaSovereign fat?

I don't turn over leaves. I eat them.

Not enough of them.

[Maxster_]

Ithurael wrote...

Stage 5: Acceptance

"Acceptance" can take many forms. For example, i'd accepted that ME3 will never be fixed. But for me, it means that i'm done with EAWare.
And with ME universe, unfortunately. Because it is died a horrible death.

[MegaSovereign]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

I turned over a new leaf when I decided to get more exercise.

Are you calling MegaSovereign fat?

I don't turn over leaves. I eat them.

Not enough of them.

Sounds like a challenge.

[IscrewTali]

I called ME3 all kinds of nasty names after release, but after Extended Cut, i've purchased every dlc, enjoyed every moment of it, and never have i said sorry and thanked Bioware for creating an amazing game and such a rich universe.

Bioware, I am sorry for all the bad, and thank you for all the good.

Go on BSN, hate me, i welcome it.

[TheRealJayDee]

IscrewTali wrote...

I called ME3 all kinds of nasty names after release, but after Extended Cut, i've purchased every dlc, enjoyed every moment of it, and never have i said sorry and thanked Bioware for creating an amazing game and such a rich universe.

Bioware, I am sorry for all the bad, and thank you for all the good.

Go on BSN, hate me, i welcome it.

Why would anyone hate you, silly? It's perfectly fine to feel and act like you do. It would just be problematic if you were insinuating that those who were critical at the start and are critical now are somehow wrong and should act and feel like you.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

MegaSovereign wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

I turned over a new leaf when I decided to get more exercise.

Are you calling MegaSovereign fat?

I don't turn over leaves. I eat them.

Not enough of them.

Sounds like a challenge.

Garden or ceasar?

[BearlyHere]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

I've accepted that Bioware made a mistake, a HUGE one. I've accepted that, for whatever reason, they still haven't owned up to it. I've also accepted that they're never going to apologize, much less attempt to repair the damage. So be it. There are other fish in the sea. Fish whom I'm never going to have to worry about when they're going to whip around and punch me in the gut again. Do you know that many abused spouses make excuses for their abusers behavior? That they stay with them, come back to them, take the hits again and again? Break the cycle. Don't enable them.

This. After the EC, I felt like I had gone through a divorce, with Bioware dumping their older base for the young CoD crowd. But they're never going to get your corny jokes or care about your Princess Bride references. But there are other fish in the sea.

[Slayer299]

Stelmo - If 'accepting' what we go makes you happy, than good For you but that doesn't work for me. I got a subpar game that was filled with lots of flash and less substance (minus most of Tuchanka &Rannoch). Th rest of the story seemed phoned-in and filled in with Bioware's beta work for the Mass Effect 3 movie. My anger is for the entire game (not just the endings) and it is not going away...

[Daniel_N7]

StElmo wrote...

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First, nothing but respect for what you say and feel. It was a long process for me too and I don't even know what stage I'm at right now. I've been going back and forth, I think. But I believe this is a bit more complex than what appearances might suggest.

Mass Effect 3 is one of those complicated games to judge, especially if you've engaged the trilogy with a strong emotional attachment to its story and characters. It has, in my view, several structural choices that many have found "questionable", both in terms of plot and gameplay. I won't go through them, since these are issues that have been talked about and reflected upon over and over on these forums in the past months.

But I'll grant you this. The endings are at the center of this entire backlash. The dettachment many of us had with the ending - not only on a rational, analytical level, but emotionally - made people look at the entire game with an overdose of scrutiny.

To establish a comparison, let's say Mass Effect 2 wasn't considered perfect either, especially when it was launched, in the sense that it didn't address many of the expectations some fans had at the time. The simplification of RPG elements is the most obvious one. The "mission ending screen", which broke the sense of continuity seen in ME1 - and gave people the illusion of "sandbox" style - was another.
But ME2 was immensely gratifying. After the Suicide Mission, everyone felt glorious, your heart was filled, you felt like all your effort made in the game had consequences - I did the impossible and I came out alive, and I saved everyone!

With Mass Effect 3, of course, things gets more complicated.

As I said, I won't analyze "the factors" that contributed to the overwhelming fan reaction. I'll just address that "emotional plane" where things get a little deeper - and more irrational, for better and worse. And that's why I don't like the way you define it as a simple case of "negativity". I dislike it even more when some people try to label it all as "haters". Because that's an umbrella that covers a wide array of motivations.

For many of us - I'll go so far as to say for most of the fans that reacted negatively - it was a reaction that came out of passion. A strange, profound, unexplicable passion for this fictional creation. We owe it all to BioWare. They gave us this magnificent gift, impossible to explain to anyone on the outside because, well, "it's just a game", "what's wrong with you?".

And passion, as we know, can get pretty irrational. But there were valid criticisms raised throughout this process, on BSN and many, many other places of the web, and many of them were lucid, rational and assertive.

If we're just to focus on the extremes, well, yes, you had idiotic reactions, some of them completely unacceptable. But you don't have to go far on these forums to find negative people on the other side of the barricade as well. Bad behaviour isn't an exclusive of the "haters".

Now, as much as I believe much of the fan reaction was valid, it worried me for a number of reasons.

As much disappointment I might have had with the ending of Mass Effect 3 - or with other aspects of the game, or with the way BioWare managed this crysis - I certainly don't want things to get destructive to the point that the future of the company gets hurt. There are many talented individuals at BioWare that I admire and I want them to continue making the best games they can make.

Also, in the dust cloud raised by this whole debate, many people started to loose sight of the great accomplishment this trilogy actually is. They set out to create an interconnected series of three games, with an evolving story where past choices impact the story that follows.

Some people may focus that "choices should have mattered more", here and there. "I saved the Rachni queen and it didn't make any difference in the end!". Well, okay. But look at what they did. It's quite a monument of a game, and much of it was experimental. BioWare took a serious risk, and they made something out of the ordinary.

Now, I would like the game to end differently, yes I would. I'm willing to accept the story for what it is, with its merits and its flaws. And I would love to see an extended epilogue for the Destroy ending as well.

But, most of all, I want BioWare to do it again, with all the lessons learned in this process. I wish this terrible backlash, however justified, doesn't create some kind of stigma that pushes developers away from this model of storytelling - the interconnected trilogy. Because it is really amazing.

As for embracing it again. Some, like you, are ready to do it. For others, it will take some time. But I believe, as the years pass, the good memories will resurface and people will remember how great the Mass Effect universe is and how great it would be to revisit it. One day...

Modifié par Daniel_N7, 01 février 2013 - 12:00 .